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[Da Mecca]

Ahglock wrote...

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Honestly I'd just leave him on the ship in any environment that would require his chest to be covered. I'd prefer my assassin alive and able to perform his primary job, assassinating things, than laying in the medbay because I stupidly ordered him to disregard Chakwas' advice. Anyway, this is with regards to regular combat here, and in regular combat Thane's current outfit makes sense given his intended role and his condition.

I undewrstand what you are getting at, but are there any assassination style missions?  Pretty much everything is special forces direct assaults, and for that you need armor.  I'll call that a hope for ME3, if missions could be accomplished with stealth and assassination or door kicking in style it would be awesome.  

I don't think ME3 will be that kinda game.

Pretty sure the main bulk of it will be combat and conversations.

[Rurik_Niall]

Ahglock wrote...

I undewrstand what you are getting at, but are there any assassination style missions?  Pretty much everything is special forces direct assaults, and for that you need armor.  I'll call that a hope for ME3, if missions could be accomplished with stealth and assassination or door kicking in style it would be awesome.  

Nope, which is why I honestly question his purpose aboard the Normandy. Don't get me wrong I like Thane, but do we really need four snipers (including my Shepard) aboard the Normandy? He's no good as a specialist during the suicide run, his biotics aren't strong enough to create the barrier, he lacks the leadership skills to lead either of the fire squads, surprisingly he lacks the capacity to perform the job in the ducts, and there's nothing he can do as part of Shepard's main squad that any of the others can't do.

Tali and Mordin I understand, they may not be the best in most combat situations, but Tali is the best damn mechanic you could ever hope for on the Normandy, and Mordin is one of the best scientists. Grunt is der Uber Krogan, Kasumi can open any lock, Zaeed is one of the most feared mercs in the galaxy, Garrus managed to ****** off half of Omega and survive until you got there, Jack will rip out your spine and beat you with it using her brain, and the Asari of your choice can do the same, but Thane contributes nothing apart from being a badass iguana assassin and a possible love interest for female Shepard who apparently has an alien fetish.

[lolwut666]

It's not "surprising" that he can't perform the job in the ducts, because the difficulty lies on opening and closing the door in time, not on crawing through the ducts.

Thane is just like Grunt in a way. They can't fill any role on the Suicide Mission, but both are very strong combatants, with Thane being perhaps the most offensive sound among the squaddies.

As for his accomplishments, Thane is the galaxy's best assassin. Zaeed also can't do much on the Suicide Mission besides tanking, but he is a strong fighter and the galaxy's most feared mercenary.

Due to the engine's limitations, they couldn't all show they're capable off, but form a storytelling point of view, they are still valuable additions to the crew.

Maybe on ME3...

Modifié par lolwut666, 15 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[Rurik_Niall]

It's surprising because hacking and decryption are skills you expect an assassin to be capable of. He may not be as good as Legion or Kasumi at doing it, but he should at least be on par with Tali in that regard. If in Mass Effect 3 a situation comes up where I need his unique brand of ninja iguana assassin skills I'll take it back, but otherwise there's nothing he can do that none of my other squad mates already has covered.

[didymos1120]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

It's surprising because hacking and decryption are skills you expect an assassin to be capable of. He may not be as good as Legion or Kasumi at doing it, but he should at least be on par with Tali in that regard.

Not sure where you got this "good as Tali" notion from, who's repeatedly said to be one hell of a techie even for a quarian, a race noted as being generally exceptional on that score.

[lolwut666]

Those are different types of infiltration. Thane appears to take a more "physical approach", so to speak: he stealthly looks for breachs and takes whatever little hole he can squeeze into, or corner he can hide himself, and works his way up from there.

Kasumi seems to rely on subterfuge (as you could see by her attempt to infiltrate Hock's party as a guest), and she requires her tech skills because she needs to operate discreetly under the noses of many people, and without technology that is difficult.

I bet that nobody, not even Kasumi, can move as quietly as he can, or with as much agility.

He just didn't get an über stealth mission where he could put his skills to the test.

Modifié par lolwut666, 15 avril 2011 - 11:05 .

[Bluko]

Randy1083 wrote...

I don't really understand the "if you want to play dress-up then go play ME1" argument. I'm sure that a lot of those of us who hated the immersion-breaking breathing masks and lack of envirosuits in ME2 aren't wanting to be able to customize our squadmates' appearances so much as wanting BioWare to have a little more respect for realism. There's absolutely no good reason why the squadmates in ME2 couldn't have had their nifty custom casual outfits that they wore around the Normandy, and then some cool custom (and fully sealable) armor sets (designed specifically for them) that they wore on missions off the ship.

Exactly.

If they did this I would be more then pleased. And really it should not be difficult to create say at least two models per character especially since there will likely be less of them this time. I can live without fully customizable squad gear, so long as squadmates actually start wear appropriate stuff into combat, etc. Of  course customization would be nice and I really can't see why people would be against it. How it would it be bad to have modular armor for squadmates like Shepard has in ME2? Pretty sure a big aspect of RPGs and their appeal is not only tailoring your character to your liking, but your party members as well.

[Rurik_Niall]

Exactly my point, we never actually have a reason to use him, therefor he contributes nothing. Again, if in Mass Effect 3 he gets an opportunity to strut his space ninja stuff I will take it back and happily watch Thane snapping necks left and right.

[Foryou]

they have mask on

[DurkBakala]

Doesn't affect gameplay, doesn't take me out of the game, who gives a ****?!

[didymos1120]

DurkBakala wrote...

Doesn't affect gameplay, doesn't take me out of the game, who gives a ****?!

Well, obviously, people who aren't you. 

[100k]

lolwut666 wrote...

There is oxygen on Kopis and the rogue AI base. On Kopis, you can listen to the logs left by one of the doctors (not to mention the missiles exploding), and on the AI base you could listen to the AI's voice.

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I guess I'm not understanding how this contradicts what I said before. The Normandy explodes in space...are you saying that the reason it explodes is because there is an atmosphere? Missiles exploding on Kopis is more realistic on a planet with little atmosphere. But, like I said, I can forgive stuff like that. Being able to walk around on Kopis shirtless with only a breathing mask on the other hand JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Radiation would kill Jack or Samara. And even if it didn't, the thin atmosphere could do some damage to one's body.

As for the audio files, it seems pretty likely that Shepard was able to tap the audio directly into his helmet.

As for the Reaper corpse, maybe the poisonous cloud didn't make it into the ship; and if it did, perhaps it was not hazardous enough to bother the characters.

Then why would they need breathing masks? If radiation, vacuum temperatures, atmospheric toxins/poisons have no effect, why would your crew need to put on masks to enter/exit the ship? 

Furthermore, you keep talking about lack of oxygen, but that's why they're wearing those oxygen masks.

I understand that you want armors on the next game, but your arguments make no sense.

Those oxygen masks may work for some places Shep&Co. travel to, but certainly not all of them. Ever wonder why fighter pilots have full helmets, goggles, and breathing masks? 

Another example is the Geth ship: "Warning. This vessel contains little air or gravity. Geth require neither".

Is it reasonable to assume then that the ship would also be freezing cold, as geth don't require comfortable room temperature too? If so, then shouldn't Jack and Zaeed bundle up?

Modifié par 100k, 16 avril 2011 - 12:27 .

[didymos1120]

100k wrote...

Is it reasonable to assume then that the ship would also be freezing cold, as geth don't require comfortable room temperature too? If so, then shouldn't Jack and Zaeed bundle up?

Not sure about that one.  Who knows how much heat their hubs and platforms and other assorted bits of gear generate?  And since that was intially a quarian station, I imagine it probably retains heat pretty well (not that it wouldn't anyway.  Heat isn't trivial to get rid of in space).

[DurkBakala]

didymos1120 wrote...

DurkBakala wrote...

Doesn't affect gameplay, doesn't take me out of the game, who gives a ****?!

Well, obviously, people who aren't you. 

Or idiots.

Modifié par DurkBakala, 16 avril 2011 - 12:45 .

[didymos1120]

DurkBakala wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

DurkBakala wrote...

Doesn't affect gameplay, doesn't take me out of the game, who gives a ****?!

Well, obviously, people who aren't you. 

Or idiots.

Well, no. Despite not being bothered overmuch by the squad outfits myself, wanting them to be context-appropriate does not make those who do idiots.  Being contemptuously dismissive of those who hold different opinions simply because those opinions do differ on the other hand....

[lolwut666]

I think you are being very obnoxious, DurkBakala. Though I'll grant to you that some people are RAEGing more than they should about such a minor thing.

I actually read a post of some guy on this thread that said he was going to boycott the game because of this or something.

Still, I think that just making a suggestion doesn't hurt anyone, and I do agree that it would make the game better.

Modifié par lolwut666, 16 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[emmanuelsieyes]

didymos1120 wrote...

100k wrote...

Is it reasonable to assume then that the ship would also be freezing cold, as geth don't require comfortable room temperature too? If so, then shouldn't Jack and Zaeed bundle up?

Not sure about that one.  Who knows how much heat their hubs and platforms and other assorted bits of gear generate?  And since that was intially a quarian station, I imagine it probably retains heat pretty well (not that it wouldn't anyway.  Heat isn't trivial to get rid of in space).

Hubs and so forth would be liquid cooled. No sense blowing around a bunch of air when water has a better specific heat capacity. I would expect that the geth didn't maintain the air handling systems at all. They were probably shut down to conserve power.

However, without an atmosphere, temperature doesn't really mean a whole lot. Heat transfer would be conduction through footwear, and otherwise, it would just be radiative heat loss. Although, if one's life support system is an open cycle, there woudl be some heat loss as the CO2 is vented out.

Regarding radiation exposure: I don't care what you're wearing, it will not protect you from any real radiation threat. Basic clothing will protect from alpha and beta particles. Hell, if you strap on some parrafin that will attenuate neutrons. But there's not a damn thing you can do about gamma rays. 1" of solid lead will cut a gamma dose in half. The problem is that a 1" lead suit will weigh hundreds, if not thousands of pounds.

The main purpose of radiation protection gear is to prevent inhalation/ingestion of radioisotopes.

[DurkBakala]

didymos1120 wrote...

DurkBakala wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

DurkBakala wrote...

Doesn't affect gameplay, doesn't take me out of the game, who gives a ****?!

Well, obviously, people who aren't you. 

Or idiots.

Well, no. Despite not being bothered overmuch by the squad outfits myself, wanting them to be context-appropriate does not make those who do idiots.  Being contemptuously dismissive of those who hold different opinions simply because those opinions do differ on the other hand....

Ah yes, the pedestal of defending opinion and cementing intellectual superiority when the subject matter is something that should require no discussion. We have dismissed that claim.

[Relix28]

What's your problem DurkBakala? If we are idiots for discussing outfits in ME2, then why bother with us?

Or in other words, GO AWAY!

[didymos1120]

DurkBakala wrote...

Ah yes, the pedestal of defending opinion and cementing intellectual superiority when the subject matter is something that should require no discussion. We have dismissed that claim.

Argumentum ad meme.  I'm convinced!  Your work here is done! 

[DurkBakala]

Good. God. Can some people please lighten up? I decided to voice my own opinion of this "problem" being something not worth getting worked up over, and granted I didn't do it in the best way, but surely my last post should have notified you that I'm simply in a bit of trolling mood.

Besides, me calling people idiots was mainly aimed at the people who believe Bioware are bad developers for making characters outfits as they are, and please don't try and tell me there aren't people like that on here.

I'm aware I may or may not be contradicting earlier posts here, but to be fair, I'm not too big on thinking out a response that is incredibly insignificant and will be forgotten in mere minutes, especially when I'm not a regular poster.

Sorry if I offended anyone though, I guess.

Modifié par DurkBakala, 16 avril 2011 - 01:17 .

[Rurik_Niall]

There aren't people like that on here. Surely you had to know that anyone as snarky as me can't possibly resist shcmuck bait like that.

[didymos1120]

DurkBakala wrote...

Good. God. Can some people please lighten up? I decided to voice my own opinion of this "problem" being something not worth getting worked up over, and granted I didn't do it in the best way, but surely my last post should have notified you that I'm simply in a bit of trolling mood.

Well, don't be surprised if people troll back when you're in the trolling mood.

[DurkBakala]

It just kinda irks me that people seem to find something so small a reason to stop enjoying the game. Okay, fair enough, it might make you think "Oh, that seems odd," and Mass Effect is one one of those games where you want to be 100% immersed but.....I don't even know.

There is no argument I can give other than lolwut.

[DurkBakala]

didymos1120 wrote...

DurkBakala wrote...

Good. God. Can some people please lighten up? I decided to voice my own opinion of this "problem" being something not worth getting worked up over, and granted I didn't do it in the best way, but surely my last post should have notified you that I'm simply in a bit of trolling mood.

Well, don't be surprised if people troll back when you're in the trolling mood.

Relix didn't seem like he was trolling to me, friend. Unless you meant your own post, because I hadn't read that post at the time of posting the comment you mentioned.

Modifié par DurkBakala, 16 avril 2011 - 01:25 .