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[Someone With Mass]

Too bad that Cerberus is already there to try and bite me in the ass.

[Pwener2313]

Zulu, our resident crackpot theorist. If only he had better reasons..... if only......... but this one is just so full of fail.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Noveria and all Rachni sidequests in ME1 were written by Chris L'Etoile.

Ashley was written by Chris L'Etoile.

Ashley always advises you against freeing the Queen.

You have a strange notion of what constitutes "proof", Zulu. But I would not mind that.

That's because you've missed the main part of the proof:

Zulu_DFA wrote...
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

The_Illusive wrote...

I actually thought this Zulu was a smart guy with good threads. Now I know better...

Hey, don't be so dull! Of course I'm a smart guy with good threads. They range from serious prediction threads, to butthurt complain threads, to humorous fun threads. And everything in between. You just have to have a very good last model sarcasm detector when you wander in, but that's not my problem!

[packardbell]

Chris also left Bioware.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The Rachni Queen's benefit is still inconclusive. The Reapers will indoctrinate every race and pit them against you to some extent... it doesn't mean sparing the entire population of that race was a bad idea.

[crimzontearz]

Kekkis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

according to the GI article the reapers can and will turn some rachni in husk-like creatures so yeah it's going to bite you in the butt eventually if indirectly

Depends how many of them are huskified.  No matter with who you ally, Reapers can assume direct control of some of them one way or another. We have seen lots of Cerberus husks and still some think, that it would be good idea to keep hanging out with TIM. And we will be getting help from Alliance fleet, but we know, that it takes only few hours to turn Alliance marine into a husk.

well.......if you killed the queen there would be NO husky rachni at all right?

[Almostfaceman]

crimzontearz wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

according to the GI article the reapers can and will turn some rachni in husk-like creatures so yeah it's going to bite you in the butt eventually if indirectly

Depends how many of them are huskified.  No matter with who you ally, Reapers can assume direct control of some of them one way or another. We have seen lots of Cerberus husks and still some think, that it would be good idea to keep hanging out with TIM. And we will be getting help from Alliance fleet, but we know, that it takes only few hours to turn Alliance marine into a husk.

well.......if you killed the queen there would be NO husky rachni at all right?

That's not necessarily true - in ME1 I was still finding rachni on other planets after I killed her.  Do some exploring in ME1 and you'll find out what I mean.

[didymos1120]

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's not necessarily true - in ME1 I was still finding rachni on other planets after I killed her.  Do some exploring in ME1 and you'll find out what I mean.

Yeah, and those "colonies" were tiny and not at all self-sustaining.  They had no queen, so no more rachni, and the rachni in them were still suicidally hostile.  The notion that any of them would somehow manage to survive for years is just silly. 

Now, if you mean someone could have made more rachni via cloning....sure.  No evidence for that though.

[Kekkis]

crimzontearz wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

according to the GI article the reapers can and will turn some rachni in husk-like creatures so yeah it's going to bite you in the butt eventually if indirectly

Depends how many of them are huskified.  No matter with who you ally, Reapers can assume direct control of some of them one way or another. We have seen lots of Cerberus husks and still some think, that it would be good idea to keep hanging out with TIM. And we will be getting help from Alliance fleet, but we know, that it takes only few hours to turn Alliance marine into a husk.

well.......if you killed the queen there would be NO husky rachni at all right?

Yep. But if I get Rachni fleet and lots of Rachni to help me, but some of them turn into husks its a fair deal. They are perfect for clearing husks from ruined cities and I have a shotgun to clear out huskified Rachni.

[Almostfaceman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's not necessarily true - in ME1 I was still finding rachni on other planets after I killed her.  Do some exploring in ME1 and you'll find out what I mean.

Yeah, and those "colonies" were tiny and not at all self-sustaining.  They had no queen, so no more rachni, and the rachni in them were still suicidally hostile.  The notion that any of them would somehow manage to survive for years is just silly. 

Now, if you mean someone could have made more rachni via cloning....sure.  No evidence for that though.

The one's we found may not have been, but this indicates there are rachni still out there - and who knows what they're capable of? *cue eerie music*

[earthbornFemShep]

Regardless of whether you free the queen or not, there will be rachni in ME3... because no matter what you do, Cerberus and other morally dubious agencies do rachni experiments in ME1. There are missions where we find evidence of loose rachni. Further, in ME2 news reports always indicate that scouting vessels strongly resembling rachni ship profiles have been spotted (no matter your ME1 decision).

My theory, if you free the queen you will have some 'sane' rachni to help fight the 'rebel' (and probably soon to be indoctrinated) rachni.

However, I can see the rachni decision bite you in the butt NOT because of the writer but because of the nature of the rachni themselves and these points:
Points (for killing the queen):
-Rachni are highly susceptible to biotics and may be highly susceptible to indoctrination
-ME3 released images (game informer) show husks STRONGLY resembling rachni
-You have no strong reason to believe the queen's statements
-The asari on Illium was acting strangely
-The rachni war has soured galactic relations with them; thus supporting them is politically murky

Counterpoints:
-All species are susceptible to indoctrination, so rachni shouldn't be discriminated against for it
-The rachni queen speaks of the 'songs like oily shadows' and (suggests) she will sing to her children of them [later, in ME2, she says that she seeks to destroy those who silenced her ancestors]
-The rachni queen pledges support for Shepard in ME2
-Genocide is unpalatable
-You have no strong reason not to believe the queen [other than suspicion for the species and the actions of rachni ancestors]
-There are already rogue rachni, the queen claims she will raise her own rachni and sing the songs of Shepard's forgiveness to them
-The asari we met on Illium was rescued by them


However, Zulu, saying that the 'PROOF' is due to the writer...... it's not very compelling.

[didymos1120]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Regardless of whether you free the queen or not, there will be rachni in ME3... because no matter what you do, Cerberus and other morally dubious agencies do rachni experiments in ME1. There are missions where we find evidence of loose rachni.been spotted (no matter your ME1 decision).

Uh, no, that was pretty much just one Cerberus cell.  And they all died at the claws/whips/whatever of rachni.  A portion of the handful of rachni they had end up on a few planets.  And even if you don't go kill them, the idea that those "colonies" could actually maintain themselves for years is absurd.  Their numbers were small to begin with, they had no means of replacement, and they were crazy. 

Further, in ME2 news reports always indicate that scouting vessels strongly resembling rachni ship profiles have been spotted (no matter your ME1 decision).

No they do not.  If you kill the queen, the news report never mentions ships. That is a save-the-queen only thing.  It instead mentions that a lab on Noveria may have been experimenting with rachni DNA.  The official story is that no actual rachni were created.  Regardless, that lab ends up destroyed (yes: even if you skipped that step in ME1, which you could by just getting on the tram).

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 avril 2011 - 06:24 .

[didymos1120]

Almostfaceman wrote...

The one's we found may not have been, but this indicates there are rachni still out there - and who knows what they're capable of? *cue eerie music*

Without a queen: not much.  She was the source of every single rachni encountered in ME1.

[Zulu_DFA]

didymos1120 wrote...

Now, if you mean someone could have made more rachni via cloning....sure.  No evidence for that though.

Now, that would be a real slap in the face: Freed the queen? Consequences! Killed the queen? Um... somebody else cloned the Rachni, deal with it!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 14 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[earthbornFemShep]

Almostfaceman wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's not necessarily true - in ME1 I was still finding rachni on other planets after I killed her.  Do some exploring in ME1 and you'll find out what I mean.

Yeah, and those "colonies" were tiny and not at all self-sustaining.  They had no queen, so no more rachni, and the rachni in them were still suicidally hostile.  The notion that any of them would somehow manage to survive for years is just silly. 

Now, if you mean someone could have made more rachni via cloning....sure.  No evidence for that though.

The one's we found may not have been, but this indicates there are rachni still out there - and who knows what they're capable of? *cue eerie music*

Do we know how long rachni live or how many rachni were released when they escaped from Cerberus/others?  Do we know all the worlds they are on and if they have been discovered?  Those rachni were extremely hostile, but they were also very effective (example:  they tore up an entire Alliance marine company in ME1 before Shepard found them and exterminated them).  I don't think it is "silly" for some of the outposts to survive.  It has only been a few years.

[earthbornFemShep]

didymos1120 wrote...

Further, in ME2 news reports always indicate that scouting vessels strongly resembling rachni ship profiles have been spotted (no matter your ME1 decision).

No they do not.  If you kill the queen, the news report never mentions ships. That is a save-the-queen only thing.  It instead mentions that a lab on Noveria may have been experimenting with rachni DNA.  The official story is that no actual rachni were created.  Regardless, that lab ends up destroyed (yes: even if you skipped that step in ME1, which you could by just getting on the tram).

Then I guess some of my games are glitched, because I have gotten that audio when I've killed the queen.  However, I have over a dozen Shepards, so I suppose I could be misremembering.  I retract that statement, didy.

[crimzontearz]

Almostfaceman wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

according to the GI article the reapers can and will turn some rachni in husk-like creatures so yeah it's going to bite you in the butt eventually if indirectly

Depends how many of them are huskified.  No matter with who you ally, Reapers can assume direct control of some of them one way or another. We have seen lots of Cerberus husks and still some think, that it would be good idea to keep hanging out with TIM. And we will be getting help from Alliance fleet, but we know, that it takes only few hours to turn Alliance marine into a husk.

well.......if you killed the queen there would be NO husky rachni at all right?

That's not necessarily true - in ME1 I was still finding rachni on other planets after I killed her.  Do some exploring in ME1 and you'll find out what I mean.

you find them on the cerberus missions.....because they were playing with their DNA. Aside for that there are no other

[Azlian Darkhand]

Could be the Rachni are more like the enemy in Ender's Game. Maybe Shepard is the first one to be able to communicate and understand the Rachni.

[thatguy212]

Zulu the problem i have with your proof is this

Liara is against killing the Queen
No matter what Liara does it always ends up good for her (Shepard is brought back to life, Feron isn't killed, etc)
Thus since nothing real bad every happens because of Liara, the Queen will be a positive choice and will not be evil

[Zulu_DFA]

thatguy212 wrote...

Zulu the problem i have with your proof is this

Liara is against killing the Queen
No matter what Liara does it always ends up good for her (Shepard is brought back to life, Feron isn't killed, etc)
Thus since nothing real bad every happens because of Liara, the Queen will be a positive choice and will not be evil

Ashley is more relevant than Liara, because she was written by the same writer as the Rachni. And she was the only ME1 companion written by him. Therefore, it's not even Ashley's suggestion about this specific Rachni business that is important, but rather her whole attitude (of which her 83% "kill'em" leanings are a particular case), as an indication of how the writer himself might have looked at the Rachni

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 05:29 .

[didymos1120]

thatguy212 wrote...

Zulu the problem i have with your proof is this

Liara is against killing the Queen
No matter what Liara does it always ends up good for her (Shepard is brought back to life, Feron isn't killed, etc)
Thus since nothing real bad every happens because of Liara, the Queen will be a positive choice and will not be evil

Oooh. Nifty. Let's do some more "Zulu logic" with this:  Liara was written mostly by Drew Karpyshyn.  Going by what I've seen on the forums, that basically makes her nigh unto perfection. Rachni are therefore fantastic, and saving them is a win.   QED.

[Zulu_DFA]

didymos1120 wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Zulu the problem i have with your proof is this

Liara is against killing the Queen
No matter what Liara does it always ends up good for her (Shepard is brought back to life, Feron isn't killed, etc)
Thus since nothing real bad every happens because of Liara, the Queen will be a positive choice and will not be evil

Oooh. Nifty. Let's do some more "Zulu logic" with this:  Liara was written mostly by Drew Karpyshyn.  Going by what I've seen on the forums, that basically makes her nigh unto perfection. Rachni are therefore fantastic, and saving them is a win.   QED.

But the Rachni weren't written by Drew Karpyshyn. That's where the problem with your problems with my "proof" is.

[crimzontearz]

Zulu you do realize that the person who writes a character or the background for a race is not the same person who writes what is going to happen to them right?

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But the Rachni weren't written by Drew Karpyshyn. That's where the problem with your problems with my "proof" is.

Uh-huh. Sure.  Clearly your method of reading tea leaves is superior. 

[Zulu_DFA]

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But the Rachni weren't written by Drew Karpyshyn. That's where the problem with your problems with my "proof" is.

Uh-huh. Sure.  Clearly your method of reading tea leaves is superior. 

I'm an expert in everything. Reading tea leaves inculded. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 12:40 .