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[Piellar]

As an aside, does anyone else kinda wish they had made an R2+X button for just one more quickslot? It's not like you really need TWO attack buttons... just a thought.

That would be an excellent idea! I wonder if it could be patched? ...

6 slots? Thats not enough just for a low level mage.

It's quite enough, read my above post. You just have to be smart about it.


EDIT: This -is- turning into a silly yes/no argument... We're all wrong on the internets I guess. To the OP, just buy whatever you feel like lol, it's not like we're gaining money from games sold on a specific platform.

Modifié par Piellar, 19 novembre 2009 - 12:39 .

[Piellar]

The PC version is far superior.

I still childishly disagree. "Far superior" is not a good choice of words, especially said bluntly like that. But then it's turning into a yes/no debate, so having said all my arguments, I'm out.

[mastorofpuppetz]

it is not enough, have u played the PC version? it's enough if your fine settling for less, thats it. It works, but after playign the PC version then playing it on my PS3, just say i am damn glad i have a good gaming PC. Just spells and abilties and other things alone are much easier using quick slots, on console thats impossible.

[mastorofpuppetz]

No, it is not enough. It is enough if you do not know any betetr and had to settle for the console version. Have u played it on PC? Just for spells alone it is not enough, and having potions, abilities, is a huge plus. Playing the PS3 version after the PC version made me realise how lucky i am to have a gaming rig.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Piellar wrote...

The PC version is far superior.

I still childishly disagree. "Far superior" is not a good choice of words, especially said bluntly like that. But then it's turning into a yes/no debate, so having said all my arguments, I'm out.

The only childish thing is console gamers get sooky when they cannot except facts. The PC version is way superior, thats obvious for a number of well documented reasons. Not hard to fathom a system that constantly evolves, is always ahead in hardware and has a more versatile control scheme is better. get over it. Consoles are cheap for a  reason.

[CaptBurn]

One word:



Toolset.





PC is the only way to go.

[LethalBlade]

If there is any game you want to get the PC version over the console version, it would be this one.

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

Ignore anyone who says it is crap on consoles. I very much enjoyed my first play through on PS3 and compared to a game like Oblivion it was remarkably stable, I had no crashes or bugs to speak of. I got very comfortable with the radial thing and since I do not like the overhead tactical approach to playing games anyway (I don't like seeing my characters as chess pieces - it's a preference - I also don't like having a ton of boxes etc lining the bottom or sides of the screen) not having the option for mods and having the graphics not be as good as they could be on a good PC was not a problem for me. And for the record, you're always going to get lectured by fanboys, no matter what you choose. Usually it stems from an inability to deal with the fact that not all gamers want or care about the same things. It's already been said that for PC gamers, the Pc game offers the better experience. This is irrelevant if you do not like playing games on your computer. Simple. No amount of lecturing matters.

Modifié par Godzilla vs Xenu, 19 novembre 2009 - 12:56 .

[Zinras]

I play it on PC myself but I've heard it's quite good on consoles as well. The one big issue I'd say OP should consider, is whether he wants mods or not. That is, community made stuff, from the traditional cheesy nude patch to full blown stories with hours of gameplay.



The toolset and mods are only available to PC users, so unless a modder makes something so awesome Bioware will buy it, voice it properly and sell it as DLC, odds are you're never going to see that stuff on a console. However, if you don't care about such extras, the console version will probably do just fine.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Ignore the guy above, no one said the console version was crap, its dragon age, the issue was if the PC version was a lot better, and it is. just because your standards are low, does not mean the PC version is not a lot better, it simply is.

[CaptBurn]

It's not crap on consoles. Not at all. It's still VERY good.



But...



Better graphics on PC - Check

Toolset for personal editing and creation on PC - Check

Insanely endless possibilities for mods/new FREE content on PC - Check

Costs $10 less for PC - BONUS!



It's a no brainer IF you have the option (i.e. PC that can run it right).



I'm not knocking the console version at all. I LOVE my PS3 (the exclusives are insanely above par for any other console or PC) and I would never own a 360 simply because I can always get a better version of their games on PC (not because it's not any good, really).

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

 just because your standards are low, does not mean the PC version is not a lot better, it simply is.

And this is why I find some Pc gamers to be just as annoying if not more so than console fanboys. Just couldn't help sticking a patronizing insult like ones standards are low in there, could you? Just can't abide someone defending the console version without making a pompous comment. Sadly, I am not surprised but thanks for giving me the heads up to ignore anything you say in the future.

[mastorofpuppetz]

The Ps3 exclusives are not better then PC, I have a PS3, and it has 1-2 great exclusives thats it, PC has a tonne, Diablo III, The witcher, Crysys, Stalker, Empire total war and a tonne of adventure/strategy games,  games going as far back as the PC catalog. I do agree on the 360 though, i sold mine, was just gathering dust.

Modifié par mastorofpuppetz, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:09 .

[mastorofpuppetz]

If u think 6 slors are enough, then yes, your accepting low standards to make yourself feel better, truth hurts.

[Repton15]

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

If u think 6 slors are enough, then yes, your accepting low standards to make yourself feel better, truth hurts.

And what 'truth' would that be?

You can't reasonably argue that the the console versions are inferior to the PC version WITHOUT accepting the fact that they require less resources to function adequately. And in the case of the consoles, any more than six would be over-egging the egg, imo, because the game simply doesn't need it. As evidenced by the fact that it's possible to complete the game using only six.

I personally think that Bioware have done a tremendous job of shoe-horning such a fantastic gaming experience into the now dated hardware of the PS3, and 360. 

[mastorofpuppetz]

ny more then six is egging the egg? then why does the PC version have 24? The game is the same otherwise? I easily use all 24, and still have to swap items out of inventory, sorry, your lower standards and ability to accept less as Ok, does not change the fact that 6 in this type of the game is not near enough, 8 in oblivion was not enough, and that game has a lot less reliance on abilities, potions bombs, spells. uour telling me a rogue with bombs posions traps, abilities, potions, 6 is enough? No, it simply is not.

[X106]

Just keep this in mind.. If you fall in love with this game would you want to download the mods that people make? If so, PC version.



Remember, this game has a toolset just like oblivion, fallout 3, nwn, ect.

[GhoXen]

With a decent computer:



PC > PS3 > Xbox360.



Xbox360 runs on Medium graphics.

PS3 runs on High graphics.

PC can run on Max with a good computer. It also has toolset and therefore can use additional player-made mods unavailable to console users.

[BooTheHamster1]

Sorry to step into the Console Vs PC argument for a second



It seems as though most of the differences people are commenting on are to do with graphics and mods, NOT the gameplay. Would this be a fair statement to make?



To be honest I'm not all that fussed about amazing graphics or tons of mods, I was just worried that the gameplay would suffer horrifically on PS3 compared to the PC.



My main worry was that the console would completely change the game from a tactical RPG where you can pause and micro manage combat like BG, and instead turn it into a hack and slash that relied on pure 100%, full steam ahead action at the expense of the gaming experience you can get on the PC.



If this isn't the case I'm happy to wait until the PS3 release date on Friday (sometimes I hate being a Brit ) rather than going out tomorrow and buying it for PC when It may not work all that well on my Laptops specs.



Cheers for all the advice, it's actually been very useful

[mastorofpuppetz]

BooTheHamster1 wrote...

Sorry to step into the Console Vs PC argument for a second

It seems as though most of the differences people are commenting on are to do with graphics and mods, NOT the gameplay. Would this be a fair statement to make?

To be honest I'm not all that fussed about amazing graphics or tons of mods, I was just worried that the gameplay would suffer horrifically on PS3 compared to the PC.

My main worry was that the console would completely change the game from a tactical RPG where you can pause and micro manage combat like BG, and instead turn it into a hack and slash that relied on pure 100%, full steam ahead action at the expense of the gaming experience you can get on the PC.

If this isn't the case I'm happy to wait until the PS3 release date on Friday (sometimes I hate being a Brit ) rather than going out tomorrow and buying it for PC when It may not work all that well on my Laptops specs.

Cheers for all the advice, it's actually been very useful

As already has been discussed to death, the gameplay is also different, the combat on PC is more tactical and difficult, even the devs themselves stated this. Obviously, controlling a party in tactical combat is much different with K/M versus a controller, so obviously chanegs has to be ,ade gameplay wise.  I have a PS3 and a PC, unless your PC is garbage get the PC version. It is better in almost every way possible, like I said, unless your PC is crap.

Modifié par mastorofpuppetz, 19 novembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[BooTheHamster1]

Its a laptop so pretty ****e yeah. Specs are pretty much exactly the same as the minimum required listed on the box so not sure if its worth bothering.

[SolaFide03]

Top down combat alone is enough to go PC.

[Repton15]

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

ny more then six is egging the egg? then why does the PC version have 24? The game is the same otherwise? I easily use all 24, and still have to swap items out of inventory, sorry, your lower standards and ability to accept less as Ok, does not change the fact that 6 in this type of the game is not near enough, 8 in oblivion was not enough, and that game has a lot less reliance on abilities, potions bombs, spells. uour telling me a rogue with bombs posions traps, abilities, potions, 6 is enough? No, it simply is not.

Erm....radial menu?

As for 'lower standards to accept', there simply are none. The content is exactly the same on all platforms, with the sole exception being the way the UI is laid out. And in the case of the consoles, the six face buttons are simply serving as a very handy shortcut to any spell, talent, or whatever you choose to put in them. Hence my comments about over-egging the egg.

The simple truth is, it's perfectly possible to complete the game without even using them at all, if you choose to do so. Because everything is readily accessible from the radial menu if you'd sooner take that route.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Repton15 wrote...

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

ny more then six is egging the egg? then why does the PC version have 24? The game is the same otherwise? I easily use all 24, and still have to swap items out of inventory, sorry, your lower standards and ability to accept less as Ok, does not change the fact that 6 in this type of the game is not near enough, 8 in oblivion was not enough, and that game has a lot less reliance on abilities, potions bombs, spells. uour telling me a rogue with bombs posions traps, abilities, potions, 6 is enough? No, it simply is not.

Erm....radial menu?

As for 'lower standards to accept', there simply are none. The content is exactly the same on all platforms, with the sole exception being the way the UI is laid out. And in the case of the consoles, the six face buttons are simply serving as a very handy shortcut to any spell, talent, or whatever you choose to put in them. Hence my comments about over-egging the egg.

The simple truth is, it's perfectly possible to complete the game without even using them at all, if you choose to do so. Because everything is readily accessible from the radial menu if you'd sooner take that route.

it being possible does not make it good, you can beat a game many ways I am sure, doesn't mean it is good.  Below is an exert from one review, just one, mnay say the same thing:


Console versus PC
Playing on the PS3 after finishing the PC version, I felt hamstrung by the console interface. In combat, it replaces the expandable ability bar and hotkeys by mapping spells and abilities to the face buttons. You get two sets of commands and can alternate between them with R2 (or right bumper for the 360).
To assign these skills and access other commands, players may use L2 (or the left bumper) to call up a radial menu (first seen in BioWare's PC RPG Neverwinter Nights). The console interface compensates for the fewer options by adding a quick heal button -- you can adjust it to automatically pick the most appropriate healing poultice for your character's HP situation.
Tactical combat is sadly stripped down for the consoles. In the PC version, you may use a handy top-down viewpoint of the battlefield. You can maneuver the camera above the characters on the console, but it doesn't scroll in and out. It's also more difficult to command characters to take specific positions on the battlefield, and I couldn't cast spells while paused. This really takes away from the combat -- it's a shame that console players again don't get the options that PC players enjoy. Console players aren't second-class citizens; they deserve the bells and whistles, too -- especially since they're paying $10 more for the game. END QUOTE:

Yes, it can be played on console and it works, but after playing it on PC, you more then feel hamstrung by the scaled back inetrface. I ask again, did you play it on PC? It is vastly better for many reasons, the control scheme being one of them.

Once again, your acceptance of a lesser control scheme, or lower standards, is clouding your judgement.  All these reviewers are lying for no reason? I played both, you obviously have not, there is a big difference.

Modifié par mastorofpuppetz, 19 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[Bathead]

Snobs.