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[Fast Jimmy]

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but a search of the forums didn't pop up anything, so here we go.




In the Exorcist quest line where you collect the tomes of evil, one of the books is in a room with an odd shopkeeper named Nexus who is a golem.

He has some great stuff that I don't believe you can find anywhere else, but I think one of the most interesting things about him/her/it is what it says if you interact with the golem instead of the shop. They are listed below:

• "Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."
• "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."
• "We were once more than we are."

So... we have a good idea of what's going on with Amgarrak, the DLC with flesh golems from DAO.

However, "The Stone lives beneath Orlais" is a very interesting statement. Remember that Cariddin made most golems and that the vast majority of golems were originally dwarves (although the ending in DAO indicates humans and elves could also be used for golems as well). Given the liklihood that the golem was once a dwarf, it would stand to reason that The Stone is what the dwarves worship aside from their ancestors. So, does this mean The Stone isn't just an overall love for the underground, but an actual being/entity/god? And it lives underneath Orlais? Lord knows the hoighty-toighty Orlesians wouldn't get dirty enough to dig it up...

"We were once more than we are" can be looked at by saying "Well, he's a golem. He once had free will as a living being, that's easy." However, what if, again, the golem is speaking as a dwarf and not a golem? Perhaps the thaig found at the end of Act 1 showed what the dwarves were like long ago? Perhaps just like the elves lived forever and could control The Fade, dwarves were not resistant to lyrium and could use magic or dream? Perhaps this deadening of their connection to magic and the Fade cost the dwarves something they didn't even know they lost? Was it caused by exposure to the lyrium underground for countless generations, or could it have been something else?

[Torax]

The Dwarven Kingdoms under ground span all of Thedas. I wouldn't read into some of it being under Orlais.

[Fast Jimmy]

Also, as tacky as it is to post on my own topic immediately, I also had this pop into my head.

Sandal usually says pretty funny stuff... but he goes off on a tangent at one point in DA2 that may apply to my last statement about the dwarves having magic before.

Sandal: One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide.
Bodahn: Huh? What's this?
Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.
Bodahn: By the ancestors! What has gotten into you, my boy?
Sandal: Enchantment!
Bodahn: That's more like it!

"The magic coming back" and "everyone will be just like they were" may be a reference to the dwarves regaining their connection to the Fade...? Also, is "everyone" meaning elves will regain their immortality? The Tranquil will again restore their connection to the Fade (which we know can be done, at least temporarily, from Anders first Companion quest)? And is "He" possibly a reference to The Stone?

Leave your interesting and creative comment in the section below...

[Obadiah]

That Nexus Golem is part of a quest? I just walked into that cave because it was there!

Agreed. It does make some very strange and intriguing declarations. Wish I could have a conversation with it.

[Herr Uhl]

*has no interesting and creative comment so I'll leave a generic boring one*

The use of Salroka and Atrast after the Orlais thing that implies that it involved casteless, and them dying most likely.

[Amagoi]

Herr Uhl wrote...

*has no interesting and creative comment so I'll leave a generic boring one*

The use of Salroka and Atrast after the Orlais thing that implies that it involved casteless, and them dying most likely.

Sounds reasonable to me. Salroka just means "Friend", but is most commonely used by the Castless. So.. either this Golem was once Casteless, or is using the word to refer to the Casteless. Or maybe they just actually mean 'friend' and wanted to use a word we knew already.

Atrast is usually part of "Atrast vala" which is hello, and "Atrast tunsha" which is goodbye. So all I can get is the dwarves may either be saying goodbye or hello to a friend. Maybe a third Dwarven city believed lost? I think Kal Sharok is under Orlais. If it isn't, it's just past the northern border. It's very close to Orlais either way.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Just to add a small tidbit from Leliana's Song DLC: Tug's axe had "The Stone lives beneath Orlais." engraved on it.

I was replaying the DLC a few weeks ago and just noticed that.

[FFLB]

Isn't the only other surviving dwarven city in/beneath Orlais? I took "The Stone" to mean other dwarves. What you suggest is interesting though.

I don't think I heard that comment by Sandal. Was it a cutscene or just background conversation? I remember him mentioning the "scary old woman" though.

[tmp7704]

FFLB wrote...

Isn't the only other surviving dwarven city in/beneath Orlais?

Sort of on the border between it and Anderfels, under mountains which separate these countries.

[Corwyn]

FFLB wrote...

Isn't the only other surviving dwarven city in/beneath Orlais? I took "The Stone" to mean other dwarves. What you suggest is interesting though.

I don't think I heard that comment by Sandal. Was it a cutscene or just background conversation? I remember him mentioning the "scary old woman" though.

You had to keep clicking on him and he'd say it randomly.  It could take awhile the odds of him saying it are low.

[Foolsfolly]

"The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast.

That's the interesting thing. And of course, Kal-Sharok is in Orlais.

That bit with the dwarven though...... Salroka means friend.

In fact, there's a phrase list on the DA wiki....lemme look this up.

I don't know. Atrast seems to mean speak. I have no idea what that means.

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

I guess I didn't really pay attention to what the golem was saying; I was wondering why a golem was running a shop in a cave in the middle of nowhere. I can see running into some thief who swaps you stuff because he just wants to get out..but a golem..running a shop..in a ruin. Just. doesn't. make. sense.

[TEWR]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but a search of the forums didn't pop up anything, so here we go.




In the Exorcist quest line where you collect the tomes of evil, one of the books is in a room with an odd shopkeeper named Nexus who is a golem.

He has some great stuff that I don't believe you can find anywhere else, but I think one of the most interesting things about him/her/it is what it says if you interact with the golem instead of the shop. They are listed below:

• "Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."
  
  
• "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."
  
  
• "We were once more than we are."

So... we have a good idea of what's going on with Amgarrak, the DLC with flesh golems from DAO.

However, "The Stone lives beneath Orlais" is a very interesting statement. Remember that Cariddin made most golems and that the vast majority of golems were originally dwarves (although the ending in DAO indicates humans and elves could also be used for golems as well). Given the liklihood that the golem was once a dwarf, it would stand to reason that The Stone is what the dwarves worship aside from their ancestors. So, does this mean The Stone isn't just an overall love for the underground, but an actual being/entity/god? And it lives underneath Orlais? Lord knows the hoighty-toighty Orlesians wouldn't get dirty enough to dig it up...

"We were once more than we are" can be looked at by saying "Well, he's a golem. He once had free will as a living being, that's easy." However, what if, again, the golem is speaking as a dwarf and not a golem? Perhaps the thaig found at the end of Act 1 showed what the dwarves were like long ago? Perhaps just like the elves lived forever and could control The Fade, dwarves were not resistant to lyrium and could use magic or dream? Perhaps this deadening of their connection to magic and the Fade cost the dwarves something they didn't even know they lost? Was it caused by exposure to the lyrium underground for countless generations, or could it have been something else?

You know, I did some serious thinking on all of the Nexus Golem's statements earlier today and this matches up with what I thought. Well, most of it. I didn't think about the Orlais as a God thing. What I did think of was that there was a thaig underneath Orlais. If you look at a map of Orzammar, it goes pretty far past Ferelden into at least the Dales. And weren't the Dales once part of Orlais before the end of the Second Blight?

Also, Kal-Sharok lies in the Hunterhorn mountains between Orlais and the Anderfels. So most likely it's a reference to how Kal-Sharok is an additional Great Thaig to have survived.

I can definitely see "We were once more than we are" as having to do with the Primeval Thaig and the Primeval Lyrium. I do believe Dwarves could cast magic back then.
EDIT: could you imagine the field day the Chantry would have if Dwarves could cast magic?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 avril 2011 - 06:41 .

[Chuvvy]

It's cloaked hints to DA3, or DLC. Just like that scrambled word puzzle in The Dark Emporium. You can find it in Act 3, I haven't bothered to do it though. Sort of hoping someone else would, also I don't care enough.

[Chuvvy]

FFLB wrote...

Isn't the only other surviving dwarven city in/beneath Orlais? I took "The Stone" to mean other dwarves. What you suggest is interesting though.

I don't think I heard that comment by Sandal. Was it a cutscene or just background conversation? I remember him mentioning the "scary old woman" though.

It's generally agreed upon that it was Flemeth.

[KJandrew]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Also, Kal-Sharok lies in the Hunterhorn mountains between Orlais and the Anderfels. So most likely it's a reference to how Kal-Sharok is an additional Great Thaig to have survived.

I always thought that Kal-Sharok was between Nevarra and Anderfels seeing as the Nevarrans took The blasted hills from the Orlesians

[M8DMAN]

How the heck do you get the exoricist quest?

[Fast Jimmy]

M8DMAN wrote...

How the heck do you get the exoricist quest?

If I remember correctly, you had to spare the life of the blood mage who is operating in the Blooming Rose in Act 1 who tries to mind control you. Then, in Act 2, you receive a letter in your manor from her asking you to find books of evil power that she knew about.

This is all from memory at 7:30 in the morning here, but it should be in the ballpark, I think.

The Ethereal Writer Redux  wrote...

You know, I did some serious thinking on all of the Nexus Golem's
statements earlier today and this matches up with what I thought. Well,
most of it. I didn't think about the Orlais as a God thing. What I did
think of was that there was a thaig underneath Orlais.

While I never thought of The Stone being another thaig, that is very likely as well. To me, though, it seemed like the dwarves always refer to "The Stone" as a guiding force in the underground, like the Cross-Drift Cutters Codex in DAO, or saying surface dwarves lost their Stone Sense.

Anyway, just an idea. It seems likely based on the books and hints dropped in DA2 that either DLC or DA3 will take place heavily in Orlais. Although, personally, I'd be more excited to Tevinter, Antiva or the Quanari lands, to be sure.

[Bobad]

M8DMAN wrote...

How the heck do you get the exoricist quest?

By sparing Idunna in the Blooming Rose in Act I.

I believe you can also get it by finding the Evil Tome near the Nexus Golem, which is located inside the Recently Opened Passage on the Sundermount map in Act II.

[highcastle]

You don't have to spare Idunna. If you don't, you'll find the first Evil Tome in the Viscount's Keep when you get dumped there at the beginning of Act 2. Click on it, destroy it, fight the abominations, and bingo, you have the quest.

[TheAwesomologist]

Slidell505 wrote...

It's cloaked hints to DA3, or DLC. Just like that scrambled word puzzle in The Dark Emporium. You can find it in Act 3, I haven't bothered to do it though. Sort of hoping someone else would, also I don't care enough.

What scrambled word puzzle?

[highcastle]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

It's cloaked hints to DA3, or DLC. Just like that scrambled word puzzle in The Dark Emporium. You can find it in Act 3, I haven't bothered to do it though. Sort of hoping someone else would, also I don't care enough.

What scrambled word puzzle?

In the Black Emporium during Act 3 there's a book that gives a strange codex entries referring to images that appear in its pages spontaneously with weird captions. I'm going to check it out again soon (just hit Act 3 in my most recent playthrough) and I'll write the captions/images down.

[Herr Uhl]

highcastle wrote...

In the Black Emporium during Act 3 there's a book that gives a strange codex entries referring to images that appear in its pages spontaneously with weird captions. I'm going to check it out again soon (just hit Act 3 in my most recent playthrough) and I'll write the captions/images down.

The captions, and translation is collected here. No images though.

[TobiTobsen]

Herr Uhl wrote...

highcastle wrote...

In the Black Emporium during Act 3 there's a book that gives a strange codex entries referring to images that appear in its pages spontaneously with weird captions. I'm going to check it out again soon (just hit Act 3 in my most recent playthrough) and I'll write the captions/images down.

The captions, and translation is collected here. No images though.

Aha. Always wondered what they would mean.

Mhm... "A hornless Qunari with tightly braided hair, subtitled 'The envoy lied honestly'". Should I be suprised that Sten fooled us? The Qunari seem to be totaly awesome in lying, without actually lying.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 14 avril 2011 - 03:30 .