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[proby]

 this is just a general discussion about ME3 and why the reapers decided that humanity is such a threat, why would they attack earth first, and why would they make a human reaper, above all why would they not try and do the same as they did with the protheans. take the citadel, sever communication, systematically wipe out everything.
finally might this explain why you have to play as a human in mass effect

personally i think there is something either about humans or on earth that the reapers see as a threat

any other idea's?

[Da Mecca]

*shrugs*

[100k]

I'm guessing that the human Reaper will likely be made into some sort of sentinel, like in X-Men. Giant collosi walking around cities, attacking and catching people.

Je n' sa pas.

[Rurik_Niall]

In order, because it was a human that stopped Saren and a human with bones made of glass that blew one of them up. That makes them a threat. They chose the humans as the base for this cycle's Reaper because the other races lack the genetic diversity needed for the process. They haven't taken the Citadel yet because Joker blew up the only Reaper close enough to do so, the others have yet to reach the galaxy.

[JKoopman]

Who knows with the Human Reaper? I kind of hope they just retcon it out of existence. As for why the Reapers would start with Earth, it would appear that the Sol mass relay is the next closest to the Alpha relay from Arrival, so it's probably just a case of Earth being the first along the Reaper's march to the Citadel.

[Sigyn2011]

Earth is still the biggest concentration of humans. Humans seem to be the species with the fastest drive or competition if you'd like to phrase it so out of any of the organic races for making or reverse engineering technology. It's also the easiest of targets--maybe there are some other alien races that live on Earth, but technically speaking, it'd be easiest for the Reapers. Sleeper agents. It'd never work with Turians; they're far too suspicious. The Asari are just too analytical, the krogan would say that the sleepers don't smell right and kill them. Sleeper agents could possibly work in the Quarians, but their population isn't enough to sustain the Reapers.

I'm not saying that they're the best, but this is my guess why the Reapers are targeting Earth first.

[karatemanchan37]

Sigyn2011 wrote...

Earth is still the biggest concentration of humans. Humans seem to be the species with the fastest drive or competition if you'd like to phrase it so out of any of the organic races for making or reverse engineering technology. It's also the easiest of targets--maybe there are some other alien races that live on Earth, but technically speaking, it'd be easiest for the Reapers. Sleeper agents. It'd never work with Turians; they're far too suspicious. The Asari are just too analytical, the krogan would say that the sleepers don't smell right and kill them. Sleeper agents could possibly work in the Quarians, but their population isn't enough to sustain the Reapers.

I'm not saying that they're the best, but this is my guess why the Reapers are targeting Earth first.

I think Earth is as luxurious as any of the cities (barring concept art) described right now. Yes, humans are rapidly scaling the galatic race, but it was also home to a lot of slums described in ME. That, I think, is what makes Earth vulnerable - because of the poverty described both by the Salarian in Noveria and the selection of a Earthborn Shepard.

[lukex38]

JKoopman wrote...

Who knows with the Human Reaper? I kind of hope they just retcon it out of existence. As for why the Reapers would start with Earth, it would appear that the Sol mass relay is the next closest to the Alpha relay from Arrival, so it's probably just a case of Earth being the first along the Reaper's march to the Citadel.

yea Sol mass relay is very far away from the alpha relay, there are many, many mass relays inbetween the two

[Rurik_Niall]

This seems like simple logic to me. To date Shepard and his crew has managed to thwart the Reapers at every step, a crew comprised predominantly of humans. This makes them an obvious threat. When at war you naturally prioritise threats and destroy the greatest threat first, just like how if you're fighting husks and you see a scion show up you ignore the small fries and focus on the big threat, focusing on the husks only after it's dead. The humans are the only race to prove themselves a threat to the Reapers, therefor they take the highest priority.

[d.k.schrute]

because Shepard p*ssed them off and they're petty enough to hold a grudge

[sporeian]

I thought once they made the Human-Reaper they would just kill everybody else in the galaxy.

[JKoopman]

lukex38 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Who knows with the Human Reaper? I kind of hope they just retcon it out of existence. As for why the Reapers would start with Earth, it would appear that the Sol mass relay is the next closest to the Alpha relay from Arrival, so it's probably just a case of Earth being the first along the Reaper's march to the Citadel.

yea Sol mass relay is very far away from the alpha relay, there are many, many mass relays inbetween the two

The red dot indicates the approximate position of the Viper Nebula where the Alpha Relay is located. The Local Cluster where the Sol mass relay is located is obviously the next closest relay to the Viper Nebula along the relay network. It also connects directly to the Citadel relay.

[IrishSpectre257]

I think the Reapers were simply using the collectors to make attacks against humanity before they arrived, and thought "Hey, might as well get started on that human reaper while we're at it."

As for them attacking Earth, we already know they arent focusing on Earth, sincr Im pretty sure there are no thresher maws here...

[proby]

thanks guys keep up the ideas, and i really really don't get the human reaper maybe they did just want something to walk around and kill people but they can do that anyway, the other thing about reapers is I think there is something special about there eezo cores i mean the SR-2 can't land on some planets because it's to big but the reapers can and there like 4823 times bigger than the SR-2, plus they built (or the people who built them) made the citadel and the mass relays, I wouldn't be surprised if they could just jump to any relay they wanted from any where

[marshalleck]

Rurik_Niall wrote...
...lack the genetic diversity needed for the process.

I think it was EDI who jumped to conclusions about diversity. The word Harbinger used was "malleability" which is really not the same...and humans certainly are not a genetically diverse lot. 

[marshalleck]

proby wrote...
I wouldn't be surprised if they could just jump to any relay they wanted from any where

I would, because if they had that capability then why did ME1 occur at all? They'd just jump straight to the Citadel from dark space, no dicking around with signaling the keepers and whatnot. 

[atheelogos]

JKoopman wrote...

lukex38 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Who knows with the Human Reaper? I kind of hope they just retcon it out of existence. As for why the Reapers would start with Earth, it would appear that the Sol mass relay is the next closest to the Alpha relay from Arrival, so it's probably just a case of Earth being the first along the Reaper's march to the Citadel.

yea Sol mass relay is very far away from the alpha relay, there are many, many mass relays inbetween the two

The red dot indicates the approximate position of the Viper Nebula where the Alpha Relay is located. The Local Cluster where the Sol mass relay is located is obviously the next closest relay to the Viper Nebula along the relay network. It also connects directly to the Citadel relay.

This. Its only logical to start there since its close by and they want humans anyway so yeah.......

[proby]

@marshalleck yeah never thought of that
and why do they need humans why not turians or asari or hell vorcha no one wants them anyway and they breed so fast why humans

[Ramus Quaritch]

Here's a theory/strategy for the Reapers attacking Earth: The Reapers want to lure the species of the galaxy to Earth to so that they can wipe out the strongest defenders of the galaxy in one fell swoop. The Alliance is gaining influence and strength rapidly, but they are still behind the Asari, Turians, and Salarians. As a result, it would be easier to attack Earth compared to the Citadel or the council species' homeworlds. The Reapers know that their presence will be revealed when they attack and that the galaxy will unite and rush to face them. By attacking Earth, the Reapers force the defenders of the galaxy to come at them in order to rescue Earth. They are probably predicting that Shepard will lead the effort to bring reinforcements to Earth, which would fit into their plan of forcing the species of the galaxy to go on the offensive.

[RGFrog]

JKoopman wrote...


The red dot indicates the approximate position of the Viper Nebula where the Alpha Relay is located. The Local Cluster where the Sol mass relay is located is obviously the next closest relay to the Viper Nebula along the relay network. It also connects directly to the Citadel relay.

Finally, somone using clues in game... This is exactly why they're going for earth first. There's not any reason for conjecture here.

As to the human shaped reaper... Reapers are each a nation of minds unto themselves with a common goal, to wipe out the galaxy every 50k years.

Protheans didn't have what they wanted, so yo don't see a Prothean shaped reaper. Humans obviously have something Reapers want.

Could be a couple of reasons. They are impressed by Shep and therefore impressed enough by humanity to think they are worth emulating in new reaper designs.

Or, when harbinger claims that they are our "salvation through destruction" he's referring to human reaper containing a host of human minds that will now live eternally within the human reaper constructs like other reaper minds live in their varried constructs.

[Daryst]

Why not enter the galaxy via the Minos Wasteland? It has also a direct line towards the citadel and is less likely to be heavily defended.

On the otherhand. If you are able to criple one of the larger players in one swift move, would you not try it?

My bad, I haven't played the Arrival DLC yet, so I was unaware of the Alpha relay.

Modifié par Daryst, 14 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[AlanC9]

proby wrote...

@marshalleck yeah never thought of that
and why do they need humans why not turians or asari or hell vorcha no one wants them anyway and they breed so fast why humans

Humans are mentioned to be genetically different from other current races at several points in ME2, notably in Mordin's missions. Also, not just any intelligent species will do for making Reapers, according to EDI. Someone mentioned this upthread already.

It might be that some other species could be used, but would make inferior Reapers.

[Daryst]

But what makes us humans then so genetically diverse? What makes us so special compared to for example, Baterians? or Asari? or Volus? And dont say because we all look different. Thats only because of the lack of ingame models

[Khayness]

Because humans are always special.