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[JnEricsonx]

I dunno if you get the same option with any romance, but if you're a mage, you get to say pretty much "Maybe the templars are right, and all us mages are dammned threats."  Pretty heavy stuff, nice to see even your Mage can have a moment of self-doubt over the worth of magic, etc.

Użytkownik JnEricsonx edytował ten post 14 kwiecień 2011 - 08:03

[Rifneno]

JnEricsonx wrote...

I dunno if you get the same option with any romance, but if you're a mage, you get to say pretty much "Maybe the templars are right, and all us mages are dammned threats."  Pretty heavy stuff, nice to see even your Mage can have a moment of self-doubt over the worth of magic, etc.

Yeah, that was a great touch.  I took that option with Anders once just to see how he'd react.  Even as psycho as he usually acts when people defend the templars, he was very caring and understanding, said that "if you need to take it out on someone, take it out on me."  I can never manage to follow through with a Fenris romance because he grates on my nerves so much, but I keep wondering how he responds to that sort of dialogue.

[Saephy]

You don`t get that dialogue with Fenris at all.
He shows up says "I don`t know what to say, but I am here", at which point you can tell him to leave, blame yourself for your mothers death, ask about his mother or request that he say something, anything.

If you blame yourself for your mother dying, he`ll say "You´re looking for forgiveness, but I´m not the one who can give it to you".

If you ask about whether or not his mother is still alive, he`ll say he doesn`t know and that he has no memory of her, finishing with "At least you knew your mother".

If you ask him to "Say something - anything", he`ll say, with some fumbling "They say death is only a journey. Does that help?", to which you can respond in various ways, but they all lead to more or less the same finish: "To be honest I don`t think there`s much point in filling these moments with empty talk".

As much as I like the Fenris romance, I actually think the dead-mom conversation is better with Anders.

[Rifneno]

Saephy wrote...

If you blame yourself for your mother dying, he`ll say "You´re looking for forgiveness, but I´m not the one who can give it to you".

Ugh.  It sounds more like Hawke is looking for comfort or support from the one person they should be able to count on for it.  He's right on one thing though: he's not the one that give it.

If you ask about whether or not his mother is still alive, he`ll say he doesn`t know and that he has no memory of her, finishing with "At least you knew your mother".

Oh lord, tell me he doesn't come across like it sounds in text.  Hawke's mother is brutally murdered and he twists the conversation to be about him?  Now I know why people give him back to Danarius.

[Cutlass Jack]

Isabela's bit was really touching. You both know she's terrible at the emotional stuff but she really wants to be there for you. It was great because you can see her trying to overcome her flaws for you.

If you talk about how you miss your mother she tells you how lucky you were to have a mother who loved you as much as Leandra (as opposed to one who sold her daughter to a pirate for a goat)

But If you take the line that says "I'm an orphan now. I'm all alone", she responds "You aren't alone. You have people who love you very much....like Aveline." The look in her eyes tells shows the viewer who she really meant.

[Saephy]

Well to be fair, you do have to ask him about his mother for him to give you that line, so it´s actually Hawke who´s deflecting, and he`s picking up the cue.

My initial impression was that he is trying to err... look on the bright side, in an attempt to "cheer" Hawke up.

[savagesparrow]

Yeah, I got the Fenris option and chose the "say something" option with my "witty" Hawke and found the scene to be quite touching because, like Isabela, Fenris isn't exactly down with the emotional stuff and he's killed more people than he can count. Not really knowing his family or if he even has one, he doesn't really have the background to understand that kind of loss--but for Hawke's sake, he's trying. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

[tsunderes]

savagesparrow wrote...

Yeah, I got the Fenris option and chose the "say something" option with my "witty" Hawke and found the scene to be quite touching because, like Isabela, Fenris isn't exactly down with the emotional stuff and he's killed more people than he can count. Not really knowing his family or if he even has one, he doesn't really have the background to understand that kind of loss--but for Hawke's sake, he's trying. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

That was how I took it. He doesn't know what to say in a situation like that (obvious in the last line, and in party banter when he appologizes for your loss, and says he has no idea how it must feel), or how he could possibly help, but he tries his best, and for someone as guarded as  Fenris, I find that pretty touching.

[Inzhuna]

Merrill's one is the worst, I find, it shows how immature she is compared to Anders (I'm saying this with no hate toward Merrill, I love her character). If you blame magic, unlike Anders, she starts to argue with Hawke and -- LEAVES. Ugh. I can imagine my Hawke just broke down and cried all night after that.

[The Angry One]

I liked Fenris' one, because he could've very easily gone on yet another rant about the evils of magic. But instead he's clearly there only for Hawke, and genuinely tries to say something to comfort you.
The dialogs that end up with him sitting beside Hawke and saying it's better if not too many words are spoken in a time like this are very touching.

[Toastedsnow]

Merrill's was a bit wonky although it did fit with her theme of being immature. If you say "Well, she's with the Maker" she'll respond "Or with <whatever that damn dog's name is - the Trickster>"
Well gee, thanks

Personally, I've liked Isabela's the best although I still find it a crying shame that you can't romance Varric

[HogarthHughes 3]

How can people blame magic for Leandras death? Sure it could make sense in the same way Gamlen blames you if say you were too slow; he's just angry and upset, not actually that mad at you. Any psycho with a knife and a bit of coin could have had those flowers and a note sent, lured her out to where he could pose as some injured dude and get her to take him back to his hideout where he could kill her. True, he wouldn't have been able to keep her alive as the corpse bride, but he could have desecrated her corpse all the same.

*Edit - To remain on topic, Merrils response about the alternative to the Maker didn't seem too immature to me, but perhaps thats just my bias.  I still don't know what she said in the first line though, haven't bothered to look it up.

Użytkownik HogarthHughes 3 edytował ten post 15 kwiecień 2011 - 02:53

[highcastle]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

How can people blame magic for Leandras death? Sure it could make sense in the same way Gamlen blames you if say you were too slow; he's just angry and upset, not actually that mad at you.

I haven't actually done this, but I can think of several reasons. Most of them involving a fleeting moment of self-doubt. You just witnessed something horrific, you're looking for someone or something to blame. Most of my Hawkes tend to blame themselves, though. But given Anders' sympathetic reaction, I may do that mage line with my next mage. He won't continue with that condemnation, but I can see him getting kicked where it hurts and lashing out at everyone before he sobers up and gets back to result.

Let's not forget, after all, that one of the stages of grief is anger.

[The Angry One]

Toastedsnow wrote...

Merrill's was a bit wonky although it did fit with her theme of being immature. If you say "Well, she's with the Maker" she'll respond "Or with <whatever that damn dog's name is - the Trickster>"
Well gee, thanks

Merril does not say she could be with Fen'Harel, she says "or with the Creators, you never know."

[Rockpopple]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Fen'Harel is their Satan. Saying your mom could be with her would be indescribably insensitive of her - even for Merrill.

[Katy Bug]

I really did like the dialogue between my Hawke and Anders after "All that Remains." My Hawke blamed herself, and Anders basically told her, in nicer words, that dog won't hunt. It ended up being a really touching scene.

[Cutlass Jack]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

How can people blame magic for Leandras death? Sure it could make sense in the same way Gamlen blames you if say you were too slow; he's just angry and upset, not actually that mad at you. Any psycho with a knife and a bit of coin could have had those flowers and a note sent, lured her out to where he could pose as some injured dude and get her to take him back to his hideout where he could kill her. True, he wouldn't have been able to keep her alive as the corpse bride, but he could have desecrated her corpse all the same.

That would be because Magic (specifically Blood Magic) was responsible for Leandra's death.

If he was not a mage, if he were not studying blood magic, he wouldn't have tried to assemble corpses to reanimate his dead bride. Sure he was insane and insane people can do bad things without magic. But in this particular instance it was precisely dabbling in the dark arts that caused him to do what he did.

The entire situation shows exactly what trouble mages can get into if they are free of chantry oversight. So it very much shows a need for the Templars. (Which is not the same as endorsing their abuses)

[hoorayforicecream]

I actually felt it when my Hawke got into a fight with Merrill after Leandra's death. It was very poignant, since I felt like my (orphaned) Hawke would be lashing out. It was touching and heartbreaking at the same time.

[nightscrawl]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh lord, tell me he doesn't come across like it sounds in text.  Hawke's mother is brutally murdered and he twists the conversation to be about him?  Now I know why people give him back to Danarius.

I have never chosen to ask Fenris about his mother, mainly because it seems contradictory. At this point, Hawke will know that he doesn't remember anything, so there is no point really, other than to be petty and selfish in a time of grief.

I've actually thought about hitting that option (giving him to Danarius) just to see (I save often, it would be easy to backtrack), but I can never bring myself to do it. I don't even like to imagine how he would react to that omg...

I do agree though that Anders has the best best death comforting scene.

[Eollodwyn]

tsunderes wrote...

savagesparrow wrote...

Yeah, I got the Fenris option and chose the "say something" option with my "witty" Hawke and found the scene to be quite touching because, like Isabela, Fenris isn't exactly down with the emotional stuff and he's killed more people than he can count. Not really knowing his family or if he even has one, he doesn't really have the background to understand that kind of loss--but for Hawke's sake, he's trying. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

That was how I took it. He doesn't know what to say in a situation like that (obvious in the last line, and in party banter when he appologizes for your loss, and says he has no idea how it must feel), or how he could possibly help, but he tries his best, and for someone as guarded as  Fenris, I find that pretty touching.

I didn't much like Fenris' consolation conversation.  I actually got a little angry when he said "At least you knew your mother."  I understand he was doing his best, but my Hawke wasn't really in the mood to appreciate well-meant but fumbling attempts at consolation.  Especially after seeing the Anders version.  Anders just nailed it, in my opinion (though I admit to a significant bias).  To each their own, I suppose. 

[Torax]

If you are arguing with Merrill in the scene it's actually very fitting. It's because Hawke would have blamed magic as cause of it. In particular blood magic. Merrill is of the mindset of blame the man not the magic it'self. While it happened to be blood magic that was used. If he used lyrium to the same end would we instead blame the Lyrium or the man that used it. It would be like blaming a shooting on the gun and not the one pulling the trigger. That is the argument that hawke and merrill will have. Even though it's not really a full on argument.

[hoorayforicecream]

Torax wrote...

If you are arguing with Merrill in the scene it's actually very fitting. It's because Hawke would have blamed magic as cause of it. In particular blood magic. Merrill is of the mindset of blame the man not the magic it'self. While it happened to be blood magic that was used. If he used lyrium to the same end would we instead blame the Lyrium or the man that used it. It would be like blaming a shooting on the gun and not the one pulling the trigger. That is the argument that hawke and merrill will have. Even though it's not really a full on argument.

Sure seemed like a full-on argument to me. Merrill even ran out.

[Torax]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Torax wrote...

If you are arguing with Merrill in the scene it's actually very fitting. It's because Hawke would have blamed magic as cause of it. In particular blood magic. Merrill is of the mindset of blame the man not the magic it'self. While it happened to be blood magic that was used. If he used lyrium to the same end would we instead blame the Lyrium or the man that used it. It would be like blaming a shooting on the gun and not the one pulling the trigger. That is the argument that hawke and merrill will have. Even though it's not really a full on argument.

Sure seemed like a full-on argument to me. Merrill even ran out.

Maybe I'm picking the wrong ones when talking to her lol