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[Kardelo]

Dubya75 wrote...

Kardelo wrote...

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

People had faith in Bioware that they could compensate combat with a great story, great characters, great dialogue, etc. They are not dumb.

Some people don't like the game, other love it. Get to grips with that. No game in history has ever been able to be everything to everyone.

Yes, I do acknowledge that people love the game and I don't critcize them for it.

[AkiKishi]

Dubya75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't get it....

EA sports games are right up there in the top tier.
Crysis 2 ,well worth the title of AAA game.
Sims Med.

Then you have DA2. I think people are blaming EA too much here because the alternative of actually blaming Bioware is unthinkable.

EA Sports is rubbish
Crysis2 is rubbish
SIMS is rubbish
DA2 is great!

Now what? Aaaah, there's that thing again...that "opinion" thing.

You mean like mainstream and collective opinion not your own opinion that DA2 is great. That you have to keep using the "it's just your opinion" line , shows how little else there is to call DA2 anything but mediocre.

glpz462 wrote...
How long was Crysis2 in development? talk to me when Crysis3 comes out in 1 year. I respect many EA games, but to bring up sports? Madden waent Guitar Hero a long time ago n' the only reason it sells is 'cause EA bought the exclusives to the NFL license ( I still play NFL 2K5 when i want a good football game.)

I'm in the UK so it's FIFA vs PES I was refering too. FIFA has done a lot of good things to catch up to PES,previously you would only play FIFA if you wanted the official teams and names. Now thats not so much the case.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 14 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[Sabriana]

Oh now that's not right. Bioware is not some oppressed, timid kid that can be cowered at the drop of a hat. I'm sure that their parent-company people can demand certain things, but I doubt they were utterly without right of input.

And pardon me if I'm wrong, but aren't the two Dr's on the ea board? EA does have a lousy reputation for eating up companies and spitting out their life-less husk, but they are not alone in that. Atari, SE, lordy, the whole lot of them are geared toward profit. And why not? They never made a secret of that.

If something is utterly mishandled by Obsidian, I blame both (does Atari still hold their leash?). If Bethesda messes up, I also blame both (Zenimax). They're not voiceless, unproven interns over there at bioware. They are recognized and respected talents, after all.

Activision is actually a minority shareholder. I think (I could be wrong, but I don't think I am) that Activision holds ~ 49 % and Vivendy/Blizzard holds 51 %.

Unfortunately needed addendum: If you like DA 2, more power to you. I'm happy for you. I even envy you a bit. Prosit, Cheers, and all that jazz.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Kardelo wrote...

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

People had faith in Bioware that they could compensate combat with a great story, great characters, great dialogue, etc. They are not dumb.

I played the demo, and I enjoyed it.

Now if I didn't enjoy the demo I would have canceled my pre-orders for it.
Simple.

IMHO people who played the demo and didn't like the demo and still bought the game are dumb.

[Sanunes]

I think there is a lot of blame to go around for why I am disappointed in DA:2, I didn't hate the game the same way a lot of people seem to be on the boards, but it was definitely not the level of game I have come to expect from Bioware.

I personally believe that a lot of the issues people are experiencing or why they are disappointed in the game a longer development cycle would have helped reduce if not prevented it in the first place. I have no idea what the real sales numbers are for Origins or DA2 are or even who decided on the 18 month development cycle, but I hope the reception of DA2 will show that some things can't be rushed.

Personally the next game released after SWTOR will show if we were heard, for I think ME3 would be too far into development to make any core changes now and a MMO is a completely different beast altogether. Personally, I will not let one game that disappointed me sway my opinion of the quality Bioware has shown for years, otherwise I would have been fired from my job for I have made mistakes myself.

[thesilverlinedviking]

What killed this game is the short development time. I want to know who is responsible for that.

[BulletArray]

nvm, won't add my opinion.

Modifié par iceonica, 14 avril 2011 - 01:15 .

[CaolIla]

they shipped a game??? I don't know, they shipped something but since half of that something is missing and you have to read what happened or get explained what awesome stuff your Character did I still have my problems calling that thing a game Oo
And "EA is to blame" ... yeah there are always two people one who likes to penetrate certain areas of the body from behind and one who let's himself be penetrated in that certain area Oo

If DA3 really will come out in 18 months than I'm pretty sure that it's gonna be bad... again Oo

[WardenGriff]

Dubya75 wrote...

EA Sports is rubbish
Crysis2 is rubbish
SIMS is rubbish
DA2 is great!

Now what? Aaaah, there's that thing again...that "opinion" thing.

Dubya75 wrote...

Bold statement, do you have the figures to back that up? No? Didn't think so.

Dubya75. You really should just leave these threads alone. As I have been trying to. The game is what it is.

Glad you likd it enough to defend it in every thread. 

I didn't but, I am avoiding negative posts because I am tired. I just pop in here to see if the patch has made it to the 360 yet.

[TheRaj]

Bioware and EA - both hold responsibility for releasing DA2. Whether its a great game or a rubbish game, Bioware still made it.

And I'm sure Bioware wouldn't want it any other way. It would do no good for anyone at Bioware or EA to start pointing fingers. For better or worse, they are a team now and they stand and fall together. Failure to do so would just create an ugly company spirit, and a media feeding frenzy that would hurt them both.

[Kardelo]

double post

Modifié par Kardelo, 14 avril 2011 - 01:44 .

[Kardelo]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Kardelo wrote...

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

People had faith in Bioware that they could compensate combat with a great story, great characters, great dialogue, etc. They are not dumb.

I played the demo, and I enjoyed it.

Now if I didn't enjoy the demo I would have canceled my pre-orders for it.
Simple.

IMHO people who played the demo and didn't like the demo and still bought the game are dumb.

That's a very ignorant post. The demo doesn't show you every single thing that's going to be in the game. How is one meant to expect that there will be recycled areas and that there will be waves after waves of enemies in almost every battle ?

Your post has an underlying message that people that have faith in their favorite company that has never disappointed them, are dumb. Don't be arrogant.

Note: I didn't buy the game after I played the demo, I pre-ordered the signature edition.

Modifié par Kardelo, 14 avril 2011 - 02:59 .

[Einherjar420]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't get it....

EA sports games are right up there in the top tier.
Crysis 2 ,well worth the title of AAA game.
Sims Med.

Then you have DA2. I think people are blaming EA too much here because the alternative of actually blaming Bioware is unthinkable.

EA Sports is rubbish
Crysis2 is rubbish
SIMS is rubbish
DA2 is great!

Now what? Aaaah, there's that thing again...that "opinion" thing.

You mean like mainstream and collective opinion not your own opinion that DA2 is great. That you have to keep using the "it's just your opinion" line , shows how little else there is to call DA2 anything but mediocre. 

I put in more than 72 hours into 1 playthrough of Dragon Age II. I noticed a few glitches while playing. Nothing that ruined it or even bothered me. I read about other glitches people on these forums have experienced, and the only one that would bother me in the slightest would be the slow combat bug, which I didn't experience at all.

Dragon Age: Origins had flaws too. For me, the tactful combat was enjoyable at first, until I realized how slow it is. How boring it is. That bothered me, a lot. I still finished the game though, and completed everything save for a couple side quests. A little over 62 hours was put in to Dragon Age: Origins, and that includes Awakening and Witch Hunt. There were more things about it that bothered me, but I've forgotten them since I finished that game, which was about a few weeks after it's release back in 2009.

That being said, I've enjoyed Dragon Age II more than most of the games I've played in the last 3 years. It ranks as one of my top favourites.

Are you going to try and tell me that this oppinion is not my own? That it is a "mainstream oppinion"?

[Ieolus]

Yrkoon wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Don't forget, for DA2 they had to update their engine, re-do the art style, rethink combat mechanics and build the game, all in 18 months! Now that these things are all in place, I'm sure we can expect to see some great future Dragon Age titles.

Aaah, but that's the thing.  They didn't HAVE to do any of this.     They *chose* to.    They could have left the combat mechanics alone, the UI alone.     And then they would have had 18 months to make a truly rich game worthy of the DA namesake -- one that had  zero recycled maps (for example)

And lets come down now.  18 months is not a short  development time when you've already got an existing game engine.  Bioware managed to produce Baldurs gate 2 in about 18 months.

Thank you.  I keep saying the same thing.  Why the heck was the engine thrown out after one game?  Total insanity of a business decision.

[Gravbh]

Einherjar420 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't get it....

EA sports games are right up there in the top tier.
Crysis 2 ,well worth the title of AAA game.
Sims Med.

Then you have DA2. I think people are blaming EA too much here because the alternative of actually blaming Bioware is unthinkable.

EA Sports is rubbish
Crysis2 is rubbish
SIMS is rubbish
DA2 is great!

Now what? Aaaah, there's that thing again...that "opinion" thing.

You mean like mainstream and collective opinion not your own opinion that DA2 is great. That you have to keep using the "it's just your opinion" line , shows how little else there is to call DA2 anything but mediocre. 

I put in more than 72 hours into 1 playthrough of Dragon Age II. I noticed a few glitches while playing. Nothing that ruined it or even bothered me. I read about other glitches people on these forums have experienced, and the only one that would bother me in the slightest would be the slow combat bug, which I didn't experience at all.

Dragon Age: Origins had flaws too. For me, the tactful combat was enjoyable at first, until I realized how slow it is. How boring it is. That bothered me, a lot. I still finished the game though, and completed everything save for a couple side quests. A little over 62 hours was put in to Dragon Age: Origins, and that includes Awakening and Witch Hunt. There were more things about it that bothered me, but I've forgotten them since I finished that game, which was about a few weeks after it's release back in 2009.

That being said, I've enjoyed Dragon Age II more than most of the games I've played in the last 3 years. It ranks as one of my top favourites.

Are you going to try and tell me that this oppinion is not my own? That it is a "mainstream oppinion"?

Same. Which is hard to understand considering the game killed my family and burned my house down, or at least that's what you would think it did considering the venom spewed in it's direction.

I put 150 hours in DA:O across multiple playthroughs. It's safe to say that I was a huge fan of the game. Origins had it's share of flaws, hell it STILL has major bugs. Where I get frustrated is when the people on here hold up origins as the holy grail of all gaming. People **** about the bugs in DA2(which I agree there are too many and is unacceptable), but they gloss over the large number of bugs still found in origins 2 years after launch.

Both games have their share of problems. Are the bugs in DA2 frustrating? Yes. Are the re-used areas annoying? Yes, but if they didn't break the game for me in ME1 then they're not going to break DA2 either. Do I think DA2 could has used another few months in development? Yes. Does that mean I didn't enjoy the game? No.

Most of the other complaints are subjective, be it inventory, companion gear, combat and getting into those is for a different thread.

[CloudOfShadows]

Yrkoon wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Don't forget, for DA2 they had to update their engine, re-do the art style, rethink combat mechanics and build the game, all in 18 months! Now that these things are all in place, I'm sure we can expect to see some great future Dragon Age titles.

Aaah, but that's the thing.  They didn't HAVE to do any of this.     They *chose* to.    They could have left the combat mechanics alone, the UI alone.     And then they would have had 18 months to make a truly rich game worthy of the DA namesake -- one that had  zero recycled maps (for example)

And lets come down now.  18 months is not a short  development time when you've already got an existing game engine.  Bioware managed to produce Baldurs gate 2 in about 18 months.

Oh.

Well. If you do want to buy DA:O. I have good news for you!!!

It's out! It's even available at a bargain price! You're in luck! Go buy it.

On the other hand, I'm really glad Bioware moved forward with some flawed decisions, some average ones, and many good improvements and made DA2. I'm hoping Bioware isn't going to be cowed by people who are extremely outspoken about their hatred of DA2. I hope they improve further.

Modifié par CloudOfShadows, 14 avril 2011 - 06:11 .

[TJSolo]

CloudOfShadows wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Don't forget, for DA2 they had to update their engine, re-do the art style, rethink combat mechanics and build the game, all in 18 months! Now that these things are all in place, I'm sure we can expect to see some great future Dragon Age titles.

Aaah, but that's the thing.  They didn't HAVE to do any of this.     They *chose* to.    They could have left the combat mechanics alone, the UI alone.     And then they would have had 18 months to make a truly rich game worthy of the DA namesake -- one that had  zero recycled maps (for example)

And lets come down now.  18 months is not a short  development time when you've already got an existing game engine.  Bioware managed to produce Baldurs gate 2 in about 18 months.

Oh.

Well. If you do want to buy DA:O. I have good news for you!!!

It's out! It's even available at a bargain price! You're in luck! Go buy it.

On the other hand, I'm really glad Bioware moved forward with some flawed decisions, some average ones, and many good improvements and made DA2. I'm hoping Bioware isn't going to be cowed by people who are extremely outspoken about their hatred of DA2. I hope they improve further.

Thanks for the update on DAO being available for sale, let me know then that game gets a sequel.

I'm in the UK so it's FIFA vs PES I was refering too. FIFA has done a
lot of good things to catch up to PES,previously you would only play
FIFA if you wanted the official teams and names. Now thats not so much
the case.

Maybe it is just FIFA but boxing, foot-and-hand ball, and basketball games from EA have been suffering from a series of bad decisions and quality for years.

Modifié par TJSolo, 14 avril 2011 - 06:24 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

The demo didn't cover many of the complaints people had with the finished product.

[blacqout]

EA are not to blame.

Look at the Dragon Age case. EA defiled their company image (by putting it in a blood dragon) to preserve BioWare's intended aesthetic for their product.

Really, this is unprecedented in the business world. EA have demonstrated the utmost respect for BWs IP. All blame lies with BioWare i'm afraid.

[BroBear Berbil]

Blame the publisher for everything and not the developer right? The "EAvil Empire" thing is pretty ridiculous and by that logic EA should be responsible for when games are just great, right? Dead Space 2 was fun - thanks EA.

[Mad-Max90]

Both parties are equally guilty over this game, the writers for their rubbish writing, the designers for not pulling their heads out soon enough to actually work on the game levels as well as quests, you could blame EA for not giving them enough time, but who's fault is it that they now work for EA? So please take a look at all the parties before saying oh poor bioware, they are just as guilty for this abortion of a game

[mr fried]

CloudOfShadows wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Don't forget, for DA2 they had to update their engine, re-do the art style, rethink combat mechanics and build the game, all in 18 months! Now that these things are all in place, I'm sure we can expect to see some great future Dragon Age titles.

Aaah, but that's the thing.  They didn't HAVE to do any of this.     They *chose* to.    They could have left the combat mechanics alone, the UI alone.     And then they would have had 18 months to make a truly rich game worthy of the DA namesake -- one that had  zero recycled maps (for example)

And lets come down now.  18 months is not a short  development time when you've already got an existing game engine.  Bioware managed to produce Baldurs gate 2 in about 18 months.

Oh.

Well. If you do want to buy DA:O. I have good news for you!!!

It's out! It's even available at a bargain price! You're in luck! Go buy it.

On the other hand, I'm really glad Bioware moved forward with some flawed decisions, some average ones, and many good improvements and made DA2. I'm hoping Bioware isn't going to be cowed by people who are extremely outspoken about their hatred of DA2. I hope they improve further.

It's amusing that both you and Dubya feel it's a vocal minority that hate DA2 and that there are more people who love DA2 and it can do no wrong,
I say it's amusing because Sharkey1337 has been doing a poll that shows that half the people love DA2 and half of them hate it, that over 85% of people loved DA:O and only 15% of people polled prefer DA2 to DA:O (with 60% prefering Origins and 25% liking both equally)

So if anything I hope BioWare listen to the majority who feel Origins was a better game, than the minority that think that DA2 is the second coming.

[wolfsite]

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

^ This (again)

Frankly the main problem is that people assume that there opinion is that of everybody, you have to remember a lot of people hwo play the game and had a good time don't even post on forums, and this is the general view for everything.

Are there problems with the game?  yes
Are they addressing these problems either threw game updates or taking notes for future games? yes (Hell I think a few people on the Bioware team spend a good chunk of the day sorting threw the forums to see if there is any problems they can find a solution too).

[Mad-Max90]

If they don't post on the forums then it's their loss, they have no voice if they are not concerned enough, and look at the user reviews on metacritic, its downright shameful for a bioware game to have those reviews, so I would say the majority of gamers are disappointed, I have friends who I let borrow my copy and they thanked me for warning them, they hated it so much they are not even looking forward to the third game.