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[Mad-Max90]

And I have lost all sympathy for bioware, they claimed to have learned their lesson with mass effect 2 being stripped away of the rpg it once was, now they turn around and really kick us in the groin with this half of a game at full price

[wolfsite]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

If they don't post on the forums then it's their loss, they have no voice if they are not concerned enough, and look at the user reviews on metacritic, its downright shameful for a bioware game to have those reviews, so I would say the majority of gamers are disappointed, I have friends who I let borrow my copy and they thanked me for warning them, they hated it so much they are not even looking forward to the third game.

I looked at the Metacritic user reviews, frankly you can tell it's bashing for the sake of bashing since most of them read almost identical and many of them say nothing.  Some of the 5 and 4 ratings do make some good points but the 1's and 0's are pure trolling.

The seed has been planted..... ha ha ha..... (You can tell I'm just being silly.... or I just don't give a ****)

[erynnar]

Dubya75 wrote...

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded. Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it? I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

This.

Well who died and left you two the Gods of DA2?  Oh no one.  This forum is open to all who follow it's rules. I for one, had things I like, things that were meh, and things I just coudn't stand about the game. I have put those complaints on the appropriate BioWare approved threads and I may continue to point them out, if I wish on other threads as well. It isn't up to you two, whether I, or others, STFU and go away.  I have seen your posts enough on the threads to gather you both like DA2 very much.  I am very happy for you (really, no sarcasm).  But I don't. and we are all here to talk about it the way we please as long as it does not violate the rules. 

As to reading people's minds and what they would have done if they had made it more like DAO, I doubt you would know. If you were both mind readers then you'd be pissing away your millions made from having such talents instead of posting here.  You have no idea how I think except what I show you on the forum threads. 

As for calling people names? Yeah you stay classy like that. If you love the game so much, why are you here ****ing about the rest of us who (for the most part) have given their well thought out reasons why it isn't the thrill fest it seems to be for you?

Modifié par erynnar, 15 avril 2011 - 01:57 .

[Darkhour]

Blarenfooldle wrote...

 I read on these forums that bioware failed with dragon age 2 that they dropped the ball, but i say that had they more time im sure they would have made it better at least a little bit. But the sold there souls to EA and now there games are loosing quality and seem unfinished. So instead of putting all the blame on bioware we should instead look at EA.

Right! The ****s were all innocent. They were just following orders. It was Hitler's fault. He did it all!!!

Edit: seriously? The word N A Z I is censored?  Republican.. just checking. 

Modifié par Darkhour, 15 avril 2011 - 01:58 .

[Eurypterid]

I'll wade in on this one:

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded.

You're absolutely right that no developer can win. No matter what they do people complain. I've been around BioWare's boards long enough to realize that's the nature of the internet and gamers in general. But it's nothing to do with narrow mindedness or thinking they could make a better game themselves. Rather it has to do with the old adage "You can't please everyone". And if you're in the segment that's not pleased, you complain. Really, there's nothing wrong with that.

Vonbleak wrote...
Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it?

But what if you really, honestly don't enjoy what it is? I doubt the complaining has very much to do with feeling important. How does posting a complaint make someone feel any more important than, say, someone posting that they thought the game was good?

Vonbleak wrote...
I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

Would it make more sense to complain about a game if you've not played it? I bought the game, even after playing the demo. The demo was short enough that I figured there was a lot that would be in the game that wasn't in the demo. I also thought the combat could be a lot of fun.

I was incorrect in what I assumed would be there. As well, from the demo, I did not get the impression that there would be waves of enemies in every encounter and that the great majority of them would just materialize out of thin air or drop out of the sky. From what I saw in the demo, I thought there was potential for some very enjoyable, tactical combat and a rocking good story. After buying the game, I found I was mistaken. Am I not allowed to complain about that? Am I not allowed to post what I think is wrong with the game?

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of elements there that I like, but overall, I feel like many others do: that this is one of BioWare's weakest offerings and not what I would have expected out of a Dragon Age game.

[Mad-Max90]

What's sad is There was an interview with laidlaw, where even faced with constructive criticism he just sort of shruggs it off and continues on saying if given the chance he would have done the same thing with few exceptions, the guy just doesn't seem like he takes to people's criticism very well, granted I didn't have time to finish the whole thing but I did read three pages of it

[erynnar]

Eurypterid wrote...

I'll wade in on this one:

Vonbleak wrote...

People need to lay off DAII if they made it the same as the first you would have people ****ing about that, no developer can win these days, everyone thinks they can do better so they complain...how narrow minded.

You're absolutely right that no developer can win. No matter what they do people complain. I've been around BioWare's boards long enough to realize that's the nature of the internet and gamers in general. But it's nothing to do with narrow mindedness or thinking they could make a better game themselves. Rather it has to do with the old adage "You can't please everyone". And if you're in the segment that's not pleased, you complain. Really, there's nothing wrong with that.

Vonbleak wrote...
Enjoy it for what it is dont complain about what it is not, or there will always be complaints...people like to feel important so they rant on forums...I liked DAII, was is perfect, no, but nothing ever is, is it?

But what if you really, honestly don't enjoy what it is? I doubt the complaining has very much to do with feeling important. How does posting a complaint make someone feel any more important than, say, someone posting that they thought the game was good?

Vonbleak wrote...
I also love the irony of people who buy the game, then complain!?! I mean there was a demo, if they did not like that what made them buy the game...dumbshi*s

Would it make more sense to complain about a game if you've not played it? I bought the game, even after playing the demo. The demo was short enough that I figured there was a lot that would be in the game that wasn't in the demo. I also thought the combat could be a lot of fun.

I was incorrect in what I assumed would be there. As well, from the demo, I did not get the impression that there would be waves of enemies in every encounter and that the great majority of them would just materialize out of thin air or drop out of the sky. From what I saw in the demo, I thought there was potential for some very enjoyable, tactical combat and a rocking good story. After buying the game, I found I was mistaken. Am I not allowed to complain about that? Am I not allowed to post what I think is wrong with the game?

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of elements there that I like, but overall, I feel like many others do: that this is one of BioWare's weakest offerings and not what I would have expected out of a Dragon Age game.

Thank you Eurypterid!  I too played the demo, and it was a snippet, a taste, which I recall, didn't come with exploding blood balloon enemies.  As I recall the demo had me cutting a darkspawn in half as a finishing move, which was very cool. I also thought the demo was a sort of thumbnail sketch ( I really thought the waves of identical pasty white darkspawn, were fillers for the real deal later, suckx to be wrong sometimes).  I thought the same for that blasted landscape (figured it was easier to plop the characters who looked finished into a half finished enviornment to show us combat). Silly me.  I assumed a lot from the demo too Eury, based on BioWare's other games.

[erynnar]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

What's sad is There was an interview with laidlaw, where even faced with constructive criticism he just sort of shruggs it off and continues on saying if given the chance he would have done the same thing with few exceptions, the guy just doesn't seem like he takes to people's criticism very well, granted I didn't have time to finish the whole thing but I did read three pages of it

If that is his attitude, then woe be unto BioWare, us, and the DA franchise.  I am loathe, loathe, loathe to think anyone should be fired (especially in this economy), but if that is his attitude...he needs to be put on a different project or shown the door.  I love DA more than I like Mr. Laidlaw (as he seems a nice enough bloke).

[_Aine_]

Dubya75 wrote...

At the end of the day it's all speculation because none of us really know what's going on inside these companies.
 

I think this statement is very true.  I also think though that EA's gloss is kind of all over it.  Is that is marketing's touch and not the game itself...well, perhaps that is the case.  I don't really know.  
But personal opinion and actual fact shouldn't really be paraded around like they are one and the same.  

I will be more wary in the future, but I don't discount Bioware yet.  One strike doesn't end the game, for me. 

[Mad-Max90]

Don't get me wrong I stuck up for the guy plenty of times in other threads, personally I think he has potential to become one of the great lead developers, his attitude/loyalty are great and something to be praised, I just wish he would really look at the feed back from this game because there has been some great ideas from the fans being thrown at him, if he listens to his fans he will gain support and be more likely to make better games in the future.

[Eurypterid]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

What's sad is There was an interview with laidlaw, where even faced with constructive criticism he just sort of shruggs it off and continues on saying if given the chance he would have done the same thing with few exceptions, the guy just doesn't seem like he takes to people's criticism very well, granted I didn't have time to finish the whole thing but I did read three pages of it

I think  the thing to keep in mind here is this game is still only a few weeks old. I doubt anyone from BioWare is going to say anything that could be interpreted as a criticism of the game, as that could affect sales. I think people forget that it's a business. You don't disparage your own product when you're trying to sell it. Even down the road (i.e. several months or a couple years), they likely won't say anything bad about it, but they'll be far more likely to acknowledge they made some questionable choices (if they really think they have).

[Mad-Max90]

That is true, and I do keep that in mind, but I also would like to see a guy who knows he made a mistake and own up to it, let's be honest it wouldn't do much damage to sales, the game does that for itself, but to see a man say you know what it wasn't our best, but please let me know if what we did here was good or bad and if this idea needs to be scrapped all together, it would show that he is at least trying to listen and that he does want to improve based on fan feedback, I prefer the honest man to the company clone any day

[erynnar]

Eurypterid wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

What's sad is There was an interview with laidlaw, where even faced with constructive criticism he just sort of shruggs it off and continues on saying if given the chance he would have done the same thing with few exceptions, the guy just doesn't seem like he takes to people's criticism very well, granted I didn't have time to finish the whole thing but I did read three pages of it

I think  the thing to keep in mind here is this game is still only a few weeks old. I doubt anyone from BioWare is going to say anything that could be interpreted as a criticism of the game, as that could affect sales. I think people forget that it's a business. You don't disparage your own product when you're trying to sell it. Even down the road (i.e. several months or a couple years), they likely won't say anything bad about it, but they'll be far more likely to acknowledge they made some questionable choices (if they really think they have).

Very true! And I certaintly haven't written off BioWare or its games. I will be more...cautious in the future. But I am not saying no to what they may offer. I am afraid I love their games too much to do that just yet. One strike isn't out for me either.

[david46]

Does this thread remind anyone else of the Chevy Chase/Jane Curtin Point counterpoint satire?

[Hatchetman77]

david46 wrote...

Does this thread remind anyone else of the Chevy Chase/Jane Curtin Point counterpoint satire?

Wasen't that Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain?

[Mad-Max90]

Yes it was dan, chevy just did it a couple of times

[Hatchetman77]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Yes it was dan, chevy just did it a couple of times

I've just got that vocal impring of Dan saying "Jane you ignorant ****..." in my head.  I'd have to question my senility if I found out that wasen't Dan.

[Mad-Max90]

Your not senile, I was thinking the same thing and how funny it was/is

[petipas1414]

BW did repay us... they gave everyone free copies of ME2.

[Eurypterid]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Yes it was dan, chevy just did it a couple of times

I've just got that vocal impring of Dan saying "Jane you ignorant ****..." in my head.  I'd have to question my senility if I found out that wasen't Dan.

If someone doesn't think of that when Point/Counterpoint is mentioned, then there's definitely something seriously wrong with them.


Mad-Max90: I understand what you're saying, but my original point still stands. Ain't going to happen while the game is still the new offering.

[Mad-Max90]

I guess I'll have to wait until after mass effect 3 comes out, then maybe they will be sated with enough money to finally admit and talk about the flaws

[The Angry One]

Not really. You see, Mass Effect 3 will just be a character creator and intro. The actual game will be sold as DLC.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

Not really. You see, Mass Effect 3 will just be a character creator and intro. The actual game will be sold as DLC.

Nah They'll just make all your ME2 Love Interests DLC. Emotional blackmail is fun...and profitable!


(I only hope I'm kidding here...)

[The Angry One]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Not really. You see, Mass Effect 3 will just be a character creator and intro. The actual game will be sold as DLC.

Nah They'll just make all your ME2 Love Interests DLC. Emotional blackmail is fun...and profitable!


(I only hope I'm kidding here...)

Mind you it'd be worth it to see the Jacob DLC not even break 10 purchases.