DA2 is fun. Actually enjoying it quite a bit and for reasons of my own, I'll be playing it far more times than the 7 or so I have played of DA:O. There are things I don't care for, but that happens in any game.
EA is to blame
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#127
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 05:48
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MrTijger wrote...
Merced652 wrote...
You really should've checked before you spouted off cutey.
Scroll down past all the drivel on the mainpage and you see the EA blood logo with a list of stuff, clicking on the link (found ever so easily by crtl+F "rpg") takes you to EA's rpg product lineup in which case you'll see DA2 front and center and with that neat little blur trailer all ready to play.
What were you saying? I understand if you need some time to remove that foot from your mouth.
Awww, I'm a cutey! I said the website of DA2, not the EA product line but thank you for playing. As for the picture, the word RPG there is not coined by Bioware but by the reviewer. But again, thanks.
You know, I get that you love DA2, from other posts. Great, good for you. But talking down to other people is obnoxious and you do it all the time. BioWare promoted it as an RPG, The game critics did, and so did the marketing. http://na.llnet.biow...order_now-o.png. Someone else posted this...but apparently you missed it while talking smack to other people. And if this was supposed to change from an RPG to an action/hack and slash...then EA and BioWare lied by ommission in their talk, and their marketing of the product as an RPG (including one of their marketing ads that said make decisions that affect Kirkwall and the world of Thedas). Lying by ommission is still lying.
#128
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 09:14
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erynnar wrote...
You know, I get that you love DA2, from other posts. Great, good for you. But talking down to other people is obnoxious and you do it all the time. BioWare promoted it as an RPG, The game critics did, and so did the marketing. http://na.llnet.biow...order_now-o.png. Someone else posted this...but apparently you missed it while talking smack to other people. And if this was supposed to change from an RPG to an action/hack and slash...then EA and BioWare lied by ommission in their talk, and their marketing of the product as an RPG (including one of their marketing ads that said make decisions that affect Kirkwall and the world of Thedas). Lying by ommission is still lying.
Well, then you managed to 'get' something I never intended. I like DA 2, I think its good but by no means great and yes, I did enjoy it. I just noticed that the word RPG is severly lacking on DA2's website and it felt rather odd to me.
I didnt intend this as any kind of defence, in fact I find it rather odd that the word is not featured prominently and I wondered whether that was by accidental or deliberate. If you want to spin an entire story around that, well... I guess good for you?
#129
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 09:34
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You are somewhat correct for saying the mechanics were better on consoles, but what I meant was the story should not have been forcefed to us because of that, when people buy a rpg, they should expect that. I played origins on my 360 and had a blast with that game, sure the combat seemed a bit humdrum, but the freedom with choices you were given more than made up for that, I also understand this isn't origins 2, but still to have some choices in where the overall story was going would be nice, like mass effect, it was linear but the choices you made plays a vital role in overall story
#130
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 09:37
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MrTijger wrote...
erynnar wrote...
You know, I get that you love DA2, from other posts. Great, good for you. But talking down to other people is obnoxious and you do it all the time. BioWare promoted it as an RPG, The game critics did, and so did the marketing. http://na.llnet.biow...order_now-o.png. Someone else posted this...but apparently you missed it while talking smack to other people. And if this was supposed to change from an RPG to an action/hack and slash...then EA and BioWare lied by ommission in their talk, and their marketing of the product as an RPG (including one of their marketing ads that said make decisions that affect Kirkwall and the world of Thedas). Lying by ommission is still lying.
Well, then you managed to 'get' something I never intended. I like DA 2, I think its good but by no means great and yes, I did enjoy it. I just noticed that the word RPG is severly lacking on DA2's website and it felt rather odd to me.
I didnt intend this as any kind of defence, in fact I find it rather odd that the word is not featured prominently and I wondered whether that was by accidental or deliberate. If you want to spin an entire story around that, well... I guess good for you?
ROFL! Except I have no story to spin except in fan fiction. I simply say that just because they don't have it on the DA2 site now, it is not what they advertised it, and spun it to be. When you tell the orgial fans of DAO that you will keep enough to make them happy and the make them happy part is RPG with some combat...well, geeze how are the fans of the orginal supposed to take that? That it will still be RPG with some combat and things that didn't work in DAO so well, fixed. Not a wholesale gutting of the very things people loved to make them more in tune with what Mr. Laidlaw likes (if his recent interview is anything to go by) .
#131
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 09:40
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erynnar wrote...
ROFL! Except I have no story to spin except in fan fiction. I simply say that just because they don't have it on the DA2 site now, it is not what they advertised it, and spun it to be. When you tell the orgial fans of DAO that you will keep enough to make them happy and the make them happy part is RPG with some combat...well, geeze how are the fans of the orginal supposed to take that? That it will still be RPG with some combat and things that didn't work in DAO so well, fixed. Not a wholesale gutting of the very things people loved to make them more in tune with what Mr. Laidlaw likes (if his recent interview is anything to go by) .
What? Sorry but what the hell does that have to do with what I said or with the topic for that matter?
Whatever, enjoy your stay and all that...
#133
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 10:11
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Unless your name is Gordon Gekko......
#134
Posté 15 avril 2011 - 10:46
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Does rpg really need to be stated on the website when it was plastered all over the commercials and dev diaries, some of you people are seriously getting on my nerves trying to bring that up, we all know it was marketed as a rpg, not only that but it's the sequel to one of the best RPGs for this generation of games, so please don't sit on your high horse and act like we need the reality check for thinking the game would be better, and before people say but there's a demo, all the demo did was to show people the new combat not the story or lack of choices
#135
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 03:02
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Mad-Max90 wrote...
Does rpg really need to be stated on the website when it was plastered all over the commercials and dev diaries, some of you people are seriously getting on my nerves trying to bring that up, we all know it was marketed as a rpg, not only that but it's the sequel to one of the best RPGs for this generation of games, so please don't sit on your high horse and act like we need the reality check for thinking the game would be better, and before people say but there's a demo, all the demo did was to show people the new combat not the story or lack of choices
^This.
#136
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 03:44
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I think the game should of been listed as an PPG a (puppet playing game). And OP your 100 % correct it is dEAd 's fault. I said it a year ago just watch BIOWARE is gone forever . And the fanbois jumped all over me . And IMHO this game is proff to my statement. I have a new saying about dEAd and it goes. "dEAd they have no souls , they only have holes and they try and fill it as much/fast as they can with our money and by any means possible"
#137
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 04:31
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Yes but who let "dEAd" purchase their company, they are no more to blame than bioware, not to mention some of EA's games have been pretty impressive *Dead space 2*, and even mass effect 2, while it lost some rpg elements from the first game, it still holds true about the consequences of your actions, let's face it this was a bioware flop, it happens
#138
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 04:38
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So its all evil EAs fault, not to mention if it wasn't for EA there might not have been a Dragon Age, period.
#139
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:13
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I really doubt that EA wouldn't grant them more time if bioware thought they needed it, but as usual when you want to impress your boss they took the challenge and failed, EA is in the business of making money not throwing it out with the garbage, if bioware told them they would get more sales if they gave them more time EA would be happy to give them more time for more profit, don't blame EA for a developing mistake
#140
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:13
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you need to take into account that DAO was built in 7 years dEAd have not owned Bioware that long . Its just dEAd way of doing things they swoops in on companys buy them up. And then slap their logo on a game they had nothing to do with beyond putting up the money for the devs to finish a game . Same with ME2 it was a game for the most part almost complet . But Now DA2 that was a game that dEAd was in the drivers seat the whole time. And IMHO it shows They have done this same thing time and time again . Whats the last game you remember where there was only a dEAd
logo on the game.. And im not talking about any of the cookie cutter sports games that come out almost every year with just a couple new featurs either.
logo on the game.. And im not talking about any of the cookie cutter sports games that come out almost every year with just a couple new featurs either.
#141
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:19
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EA is a publisher. The "Arts" in their name is a word only now, it no longer has any meaning. It's purely a business, and a huge one at that. While they do have a lousy track-record about gobbling up studios and draining them dry, they still are behaving like a typical profit before everything company. And why not? They never made a secret out of that.
Although they don't have any track record of 'bordering on shady' dealings in advertisement or marketing, Atari isn't much better. Look what they did do Ossian Studios and their Moon over Westwood. They knocked a new studio down and out, simply because they wanted to use their product (MoW) as a guinea pig for the "newest, bestest, and shiniest DRM). I never bought it because of that, but I still feel bad for Miranda and his crew.
No publisher acts out of the goodness of their hearts. If they did, they'd be bankrupt and gone. They have a responsibility toward their share-holders, and being ruthless appears to be the standard business practice nowadays. I doubt the Bioteam went into this arena with their eyes firmly shut. They are simply not stupid enough.
Bioware overextended itself and thought they needed a rescue. Someone bought them, and then sold them to EA. It's done, and I'm quite sure that everyone involved knew exactly what to expect. Many other studios that were bought out by EA had their most talented devs and creators jump ship and go elsewhere. At least the Bioteam stayed mostly intact. Yes, they did lose one of the best designers, but they still remained mostly intact.
I refuse to believe that Bioware is akin to a dimwitted, timid, easily cowered child. They have wonderful writers, designers, and creative people. I doubt very much that their input is simply waved aside. Perhaps a portion of it, but not everything.
I have a bad feeling about everything, but that could merely be the lingering severe disappointment I still carry over DA 2. I wish them the best of luck with all my heart for SWToR. And they need it. Because I doubt that it will be easy to break into the market with a brand-new title. I don't play MMO's and that won't change, but I know plenty of people who do.
EA has nothing to do with the bioware people that trash their own, very successful title for the one reason to raise sales for an incredibly average game. They also (btw. all this is simply a personal opinion) don't have a hand in devs, pr people, and other employees treating their complaining customers as if we were particularly dim-witted and "just don't get it", or are "afraid of change". It's really not a good thing to tell us "Deal with it", or "we don't need you, we'll just get new fans." Those are no-noes, and accomplish only one thing: Making already upset people even more angry and upset.
The MMO crowd is brutal and will fall away in droves if they are not treated right. Excellent customer service and tech-support is a MUST, or they are gone. Tell them "You are wrong and I am right" and they will leave in a heart-beat. Say of Blizzard what you want, but they got those parts right, and it shows in their success.
I won't blame the publisher alone. All publishers behave in similar ways, namely toward profit. And why not? That's their objective, and no one can claim that they didn't know that from the outset.
Although they don't have any track record of 'bordering on shady' dealings in advertisement or marketing, Atari isn't much better. Look what they did do Ossian Studios and their Moon over Westwood. They knocked a new studio down and out, simply because they wanted to use their product (MoW) as a guinea pig for the "newest, bestest, and shiniest DRM). I never bought it because of that, but I still feel bad for Miranda and his crew.
No publisher acts out of the goodness of their hearts. If they did, they'd be bankrupt and gone. They have a responsibility toward their share-holders, and being ruthless appears to be the standard business practice nowadays. I doubt the Bioteam went into this arena with their eyes firmly shut. They are simply not stupid enough.
Bioware overextended itself and thought they needed a rescue. Someone bought them, and then sold them to EA. It's done, and I'm quite sure that everyone involved knew exactly what to expect. Many other studios that were bought out by EA had their most talented devs and creators jump ship and go elsewhere. At least the Bioteam stayed mostly intact. Yes, they did lose one of the best designers, but they still remained mostly intact.
I refuse to believe that Bioware is akin to a dimwitted, timid, easily cowered child. They have wonderful writers, designers, and creative people. I doubt very much that their input is simply waved aside. Perhaps a portion of it, but not everything.
I have a bad feeling about everything, but that could merely be the lingering severe disappointment I still carry over DA 2. I wish them the best of luck with all my heart for SWToR. And they need it. Because I doubt that it will be easy to break into the market with a brand-new title. I don't play MMO's and that won't change, but I know plenty of people who do.
EA has nothing to do with the bioware people that trash their own, very successful title for the one reason to raise sales for an incredibly average game. They also (btw. all this is simply a personal opinion) don't have a hand in devs, pr people, and other employees treating their complaining customers as if we were particularly dim-witted and "just don't get it", or are "afraid of change". It's really not a good thing to tell us "Deal with it", or "we don't need you, we'll just get new fans." Those are no-noes, and accomplish only one thing: Making already upset people even more angry and upset.
The MMO crowd is brutal and will fall away in droves if they are not treated right. Excellent customer service and tech-support is a MUST, or they are gone. Tell them "You are wrong and I am right" and they will leave in a heart-beat. Say of Blizzard what you want, but they got those parts right, and it shows in their success.
I won't blame the publisher alone. All publishers behave in similar ways, namely toward profit. And why not? That's their objective, and no one can claim that they didn't know that from the outset.
#142
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:21
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Like I said in my earlier post you can't blame EA, they published some great games this year, it's not like they want everything with their name on it to fail, that's bad business, EA is a business, if bioware told them they could not meet their deadline, EA would most likely give them more time and money for a much higher profit, that's how it works, I'm sorry if you despise EA, but they are simply not to blame for this game.
#143
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:26
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"EA is to blame" = "I will offer my idle and baseless speculation as pure and unadulterated fact"
#145
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:38
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Sabriana wrote...
The MMO crowd is brutal and will fall away in droves if they are not treated right. Excellent customer service and tech-support is a MUST, or they are gone. Tell them "You are wrong and I am right" and they will leave in a heart-beat. Say of Blizzard what you want, but they got those parts right, and it shows in their success.
I agree with just about everything you had to say in your post about not blaming EA, but I do have to point out this one part and its really the only part I disagree with. The reason Blizzard gives their MMO fans such great tech support is because they have too, if not they lose that revenue the membership brings. I mean you spend what $60 for the newest release of WoW and then what another $10 to $15 a month for the right to play the game? That to much money left on the table.
Where as Bioware and EA already have your $60 and the lose in revenue from you not downloading an optional DLC that they most likely already had added into the final budget of the game and is just pure profit won't bother them as much. They might lose a customer, but for every one they lose they are probably gaining two or three new ones just from the buzz of their games. And lets face it, Bioware and EA are good snake oil salesmen, they can probably sell a car to a blind man.
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Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:39
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Okay, blaming EA is rather silly because :
EA manages to come up with massive franchises like with most of their EA sports titles, The Sims franchise, EA DICE makes the best gorram manshooters in the known universe in Battlefield(sorry any other opinions really are invalid here), somehow Crysis 2 emerged mostly unscathed from EA's supposed reverse Midas touch.
So, blame EA? EA has hits and misses like any other publisher, but be thankful it's not Activision that's publishing DA, or we'd have good 'ole Kotick drip feeding us refuse. And ME 3 will have MP, they will charge for the MP, and all semblance of story will be thrown out the window for more big bangs and shooty shooty.
EA manages to come up with massive franchises like with most of their EA sports titles, The Sims franchise, EA DICE makes the best gorram manshooters in the known universe in Battlefield(sorry any other opinions really are invalid here), somehow Crysis 2 emerged mostly unscathed from EA's supposed reverse Midas touch.
So, blame EA? EA has hits and misses like any other publisher, but be thankful it's not Activision that's publishing DA, or we'd have good 'ole Kotick drip feeding us refuse. And ME 3 will have MP, they will charge for the MP, and all semblance of story will be thrown out the window for more big bangs and shooty shooty.
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Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:42
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Well EA does make you pay for multiplayer in their new games for example used copies have to pay ten dollars to play bulletstorm online and dead space 2 as well
#148
Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:46
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*reads thread & realizes it was a waste of time*
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Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:46
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@ rwilli80
I don't see much disagreement, but that might be because it's early and I'm not done with my first cup of coffee yet
But that was sort of the point I was trying to make. There is too much money at stake, and MMO crowd will not stand for sub-par support in every which way. Yes, Blizzard had to supply said stellar support, simply to stay alive.
However, snake-oil salesmen not withstanding, word of mouth is the most powerful marketing vehicle ever (imo). If SWToR gets a bad rep, the players jumping ship will eventually outnumber the curious. That goes for single player games as well as for MMO's. I am of the opinion that DA 2 is in a free-fall because word of mouth. It came out of the starting gate fast and furious because it rode piggy-back on it's successful predecessor. Unfortunately, even a successful predecessor can carry an incredibly average to 'meh' successor only so far.
That's only my personal opinion, but I don't think I'm far off the mark. If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize. I'll go get more coffee.
I don't see much disagreement, but that might be because it's early and I'm not done with my first cup of coffee yet
But that was sort of the point I was trying to make. There is too much money at stake, and MMO crowd will not stand for sub-par support in every which way. Yes, Blizzard had to supply said stellar support, simply to stay alive.
However, snake-oil salesmen not withstanding, word of mouth is the most powerful marketing vehicle ever (imo). If SWToR gets a bad rep, the players jumping ship will eventually outnumber the curious. That goes for single player games as well as for MMO's. I am of the opinion that DA 2 is in a free-fall because word of mouth. It came out of the starting gate fast and furious because it rode piggy-back on it's successful predecessor. Unfortunately, even a successful predecessor can carry an incredibly average to 'meh' successor only so far.
That's only my personal opinion, but I don't think I'm far off the mark. If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize. I'll go get more coffee.
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Posté 16 avril 2011 - 05:50
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Mad-Max90 wrote...
Well EA does make you pay for multiplayer in their new games for example used copies have to pay ten dollars to play bulletstorm online and dead space 2 as well
That's only half true. You said it yourself if you buy a used game. They give you an online pass free if you buy a game new. That's part of their grand scheme to get a share of the used game market.
