I'm sorry to bring up another of these 'Retcon! Arrrghhhbnlajgag!' Topics. But I have to ask, was this done about the Saarebas? In DAO there's a codex entry regarding the new exalted marches where it's stated that Saarebas were pathetic compared towards mages of the circle, yet here in DA2 they're one of the most dangerous mages to face (In my experience, atleast) Was this changed or is this just another case of the Qunari apparently being better then humans at absolutely everything?
Were Saarebas changed?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:17
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Aldonius wrote...
I'm sorry to bring up another of these 'Retcon! Arrrghhhbnlajgag!' Topics. But I have to ask, was this done about the Saarebas? In DAO there's a codex entry regarding the new exalted marches where it's stated that Saarebas were pathetic compared towards mages of the circle, yet here in DA2 they're one of the most dangerous mages to face (In my experience, atleast) Was this changed or is this just another case of the Qunari apparently being better then humans at absolutely everything?
Also annoyed the hell out of me. Though not enough to add that to the long, long list of DA2 failures.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:22
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Their weakness would be that they only know offensive spells.
Anyways, I assume that this is a case of gameplay>lore.
Anyways, I assume that this is a case of gameplay>lore.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:26
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Was the new exalted marches codex written by an in-universe scholar like Genitivi or Petrine? Perhaps it's propaganda rather than objective truth.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:30
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I was under the impression that the qunari made a conscious effort to allow their mages to practice their craft and improve it for future battles because of the fact mages are the reason they lost that initial war.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:31
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They aren't retconned. You get a codex entry somehwere in Kirkwall, which clarifies, that towards the end of the war with the QUnari, the Qunari send their armies to assault Kirkwall and Starkhaven in alast attempt at victory. Their assault on Starkhaven failed, but in Kirkwall they quickly overran the city, mainly because of their Saarebas, which showed an unprecedented display of magical power. It would seem that the Qunari learned from their encounter with human and Elven mages, that magic had its uses, and thus started teaching their Saarebas some combat magic.Aldonius wrote...
I'm sorry to bring up another of these 'Retcon! Arrrghhhbnlajgag!' Topics. But I have to ask, was this done about the Saarebas? In DAO there's a codex entry regarding the new exalted marches where it's stated that Saarebas were pathetic compared towards mages of the circle, yet here in DA2 they're one of the most dangerous mages to face (In my experience, atleast) Was this changed or is this just another case of the Qunari apparently being better then humans at absolutely everything?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:33
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Ah right, makes sense. Damn qunari constantly one-upping people.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:34
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Maybe they just 'seem' weaker because they are more under control and under no circumstances allowed to use bloodmagic.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:36
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
They aren't retconned. You get a codex entry somehwere in Kirkwall, which clarifies, that towards the end of the war with the QUnari, the Qunari send their armies to assault Kirkwall and Starkhaven in alast attempt at victory. Their assault on Starkhaven failed, but in Kirkwall they quickly overran the city, mainly because of their Saarebas, which showed an unprecedented display of magical power. It would seem that the Qunari learned from their encounter with human and Elven mages, that magic had its uses, and thus started teaching their Saarebas some combat magic.Aldonius wrote...
I'm sorry to bring up another of these 'Retcon! Arrrghhhbnlajgag!' Topics. But I have to ask, was this done about the Saarebas? In DAO there's a codex entry regarding the new exalted marches where it's stated that Saarebas were pathetic compared towards mages of the circle, yet here in DA2 they're one of the most dangerous mages to face (In my experience, atleast) Was this changed or is this just another case of the Qunari apparently being better then humans at absolutely everything?
Yeah, it would be the case of the qunari re-thinking their attitude. Because Sten (DA:O) told my Warden that they leash their mages, cut out their tongues, and sew their mouths shut. In DA 2, I observed that their tongues were quite intact.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:38
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At the very heart of the Qun lies a simple teaching, better thyself. Enlightenment is gained through one part inspiration and nine parts perspiration, and the Saarebas better themselves on the field of battle not in idle contemplation within a haven of decadence.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:40
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blothulfur wrote...
At the very heart of the Qun lies a simple teaching, better thyself. Enlightenment is gained through one part inspiration and nine parts perspiration, and the Saarebas better themselves on the field of battle not in idle contemplation within a haven of decadence.
A cage?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:42
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Sabriana wrote...
Yeah, it would be the case of the qunari re-thinking their attitude. Because Sten (DA:O) told my Warden that they leash their mages, cut out their tongues, and sew their mouths shut. In DA 2, I observed that their tongues were quite intact.
The sewing oof mouths is what they did instead of tongue I think, as I don't recall it being mentioned in DAO. Anyways, sewing their mouths shut is supposed to stop them from spreading the words of demons, and thus avoiding an Uldred thing. But Ketojan could clearly talk despite the stitches, so what was the point?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:43
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Herr Uhl wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
Yeah, it would be the case of the qunari re-thinking their attitude. Because Sten (DA:O) told my Warden that they leash their mages, cut out their tongues, and sew their mouths shut. In DA 2, I observed that their tongues were quite intact.
THe sewing oof mouts is what they did instead of tongue I think, as I don't recall it being mentioned in DAO. Anyways, sewing their moths shut is supposed to stop them from spreading the words of demons, and thus avoiding an Uldred thing. But Ketojan could clearly talk despite the stitches, so what was the point?
I'm almost afraid to ask how they eat.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:46
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Seeing how they lost their first war on Thedas against the mages of the circle my guess would be they would be training Saarebas in more spells to use in war. Anything to bring the enlightenment of the Qun to Thedas I guess.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:47
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David Gaider has said on many occasions that codex entries are often written from the perspective of people in Thedas and are often their "Opinions", not necessarily to be taken literally and as the only description.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:47
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Cage ha, I have seen your peasents labouring for inbred fat spoiled "noblemen" who will be slain if they seek to escape their servitude or look to keep enough to feed themselves and their families and stay strong. That is a cage.
The luxury in which the decadent mages plot and whine is a den of decadent vice that should be torn down and the ground salted, the freedom they bleat for their soft backs could not long endure.
The luxury in which the decadent mages plot and whine is a den of decadent vice that should be torn down and the ground salted, the freedom they bleat for their soft backs could not long endure.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:49
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It's a bit of a retcon. It didn't bother me, but I did notice it. Here's what Sten says about how Qanari treat their mages:
Sten: Our mages are controlled to do less harm than yours. They have their tongues cut out, and are kept in pens.
Of course, in DA2 they're kept on leashes and are totally obedient to the Qun so who knows. It's not a big deal.
Sten: Our mages are controlled to do less harm than yours. They have their tongues cut out, and are kept in pens.
Of course, in DA2 they're kept on leashes and are totally obedient to the Qun so who knows. It's not a big deal.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:51
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ejoslin wrote...
It's a bit of a retcon. It didn't bother me, but I did notice it. Here's what Sten says about how Qanari treat their mages:
Sten: Our mages are controlled to do less harm than yours. They have their tongues cut out, and are kept in pens.
Of course, in DA2 they're kept on leashes and are totally obedient to the Qun so who knows. It's not a big deal.
By less harm he probably means to the Qunari. And they can't have them fighting in pens can they?
The only thing there I see being a possible retcon is cutting out tongues, and they may still do that.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:54
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Herr Uhl wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
It's a bit of a retcon. It didn't bother me, but I did notice it. Here's what Sten says about how Qanari treat their mages:
Sten: Our mages are controlled to do less harm than yours. They have their tongues cut out, and are kept in pens.
Of course, in DA2 they're kept on leashes and are totally obedient to the Qun so who knows. It's not a big deal.
By less harm he probably means to the Qunari. And they can't have them fighting in pens can they?
The only thing there I see being a possible retcon is cutting out tongues, and they may still do that.
It was the cutting out the tongue part I was referring to. Their tongues are not cut out in DA2 -- the one that had his leash removed was able to speak.
This one truly didn't bother me. I actually like the way the Qunari were changed.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:23
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The change over didn't bother me either. I too liked it. And no, we can't have them fighting in pens, 
As for eating, well, Kejotan was able to speak (a miracle, huzzah), so hopefully he was also able to eat and definitely drink.
How did my head explain the Sten (DA:O) difference to the qunari in DA 2? Well DA:O Sten was from a different tribe. Like the hairless Kajit vs the regular ones. Or something...
As for eating, well, Kejotan was able to speak (a miracle, huzzah), so hopefully he was also able to eat and definitely drink.
How did my head explain the Sten (DA:O) difference to the qunari in DA 2? Well DA:O Sten was from a different tribe. Like the hairless Kajit vs the regular ones. Or something...
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:28
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We could always say it got lost in translation, maybe for them it's the same as getting your tongue cut out...
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:28
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blothulfur wrote...
Cage ha, I have seen your peasents labouring for inbred fat spoiled "noblemen" who will be slain if they seek to escape their servitude or look to keep enough to feed themselves and their families and stay strong. That is a cage.
The luxury in which the decadent mages plot and whine is a den of decadent vice that should be torn down and the ground salted, the freedom they bleat for their soft backs could not long endure.
May I recommend a thesaurus?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:29
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I assumed the "weaker" comment had to do with their individual liberties versus the Circle mages. In that respect, they definitely are weaker. Ketojan barely considered himself to be a person. And the way the Saarebas are all kept in chains with their lips sewn shut is a major limitation to their mobility and strength.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:33
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To the best of my recollection the term Saarebas wasn't used in Origins, so It may not be exactly a retcon. Sten was talking about mages in general. We're only assuming he was talking about Saarebas. Not all non mages are Sten.
There might be different levels of restraint. A Saarebas is a leashed mage allowed to keep its tongue to allow it to cast. But there might also be mages they don't trust even that much and they remove their tongues entirely and lock them in pens.
And to answer the OP, yes the Qunari are better than humans at nearly everything. Except comedy.
There might be different levels of restraint. A Saarebas is a leashed mage allowed to keep its tongue to allow it to cast. But there might also be mages they don't trust even that much and they remove their tongues entirely and lock them in pens.
And to answer the OP, yes the Qunari are better than humans at nearly everything. Except comedy.
