Act III is painful to play as promage (im not talking about the endgame but the few quests leading to the final decision) mainly because of the lack of acknowledgment about the side Hawke is trying to help and the overall lack of interactions with quest NPCs. The Best Served Cold quest is a good exemple of that. The fact that many groups of mages and promages templars attack you on sight and finally Grace turning on you does not give much range to roleplay an idealist promage Hawke.
But i do think Grace is a great opportunity to make the player see how hard it it to support a cause (the aim of the whole act imo). If you do click on her in Act II in the Gallows courtyard you do learn she has been recaptured and blames you for it (it does not open a full conversation window and is very easy to miss). That seems to be the whole point why she captures your sibling/friend and tries to take revenge on you.
What if instead of those 2 sentences, a promage would get a series of quests to test how much help hes willing to give to mages. Grace could complain bitterly that Hawke has it easy, that she has the gold to help more mages and that she should house secret meetings at her estate. No matter how hard Hawke tries to help, it just would not be enough. That could give more depth on why she wants revenge (other then because shes a twisted bloodmage).
It would give a sense of how endless the mage problem is and how hard it is to help even with good intentions (like giving money to ppl living on the streetcorner... when do you decide its enough ?). Anyway that would have been something new to the usual <They are all abominations. Grr. Arrgh > .
Something similar could have been asked on the templar side (from Ser Kerras maybe) to see how far Hawke would go.
Grace could have made for an awsome quest
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:19
Icy Magebane
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Actually, there is at least one extra Templar quest that kind of tests your loyalty in Act 3... I think you get it from doing the Bounty Hunter mission.
But anyway, I agree. There was a lot of missed potential in this game and this is one more example. I find it hard to sympathize with mages even while playing as a mage, and people like Grace just make it harder. There should have been more examples of good, or just "not completely insane" mages...
Constantly getting attacked by mages even when I was playing as a mage-supporter got irritating fast.
But anyway, I agree. There was a lot of missed potential in this game and this is one more example. I find it hard to sympathize with mages even while playing as a mage, and people like Grace just make it harder. There should have been more examples of good, or just "not completely insane" mages...
Constantly getting attacked by mages even when I was playing as a mage-supporter got irritating fast.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:22
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The whole mage side of things does go somewhat undeveloped, particularly from a mageHawke perspective. I would say, over all, it is probably the one problem with this game that I can't really work through to an "acceptance" phase, so to speak.
I'm still hopeful that additional components that may come down the line will mend the mental gap that results.
I'm still hopeful that additional components that may come down the line will mend the mental gap that results.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:24
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It seems like the decision to make the ending "morally ambiguous" occurred late in development.
All the quests trying to make mages seem evil came across as terribly forced and hamfisted, in my opinion.
All the quests trying to make mages seem evil came across as terribly forced and hamfisted, in my opinion.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 07:03
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Fruit of the Doom wrote...
It seems like the decision to make the ending "morally ambiguous" occurred late in development.
All the quests trying to make mages seem evil came across as terribly forced and hamfisted, in my opinion.
I agree, especially when characters continually ignore that Hawke is either an illegal mage or is in the company of apostates. The imbalance was ridiculous.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:05
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Why would Grace ever want anything from the person who killed her loved one? You forget that Grace doesn't care about wetehr Hawke is pro- or antimage, she just wants to avenge Decimus. So I ask again, why would Grace ever want anything from Hawke?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:15
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In other words Grace is just another bat-shiat crazy mage with little to no development. Par for the course.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Why would Grace ever want anything from the person who killed her loved one? You forget that Grace doesn't care about wetehr Hawke is pro- or antimage, she just wants to avenge Decimus. So I ask again, why would Grace ever want anything from Hawke?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:16
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Why would Grace ever want anything from the person who killed her loved one? You forget that Grace doesn't care about wetehr Hawke is pro- or antimage, she just wants to avenge Decimus. So I ask again, why would Grace ever want anything from Hawke?
Exactly. The hole stuff at the wounded coast is not really a pro mage meeting, but more a "lure Hawke into a trap and kill him for killing Decimus" meeting. I really doubt it that Grace was at any time really fighting for freeing the mages. She just waited for her time to avenge Decimus. Poor Thrask just got in the way
Grace needed the murder knife badly. At least since the beginning of act 2.
