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[88mphSlayer]

keep your party mostly ranged, have 1 good tank that you control for most of the fight

you can distract the high dragon away from your ranged companions and dodge its fire missiles, when it breaths fire it's easy to dodge as well, largely if you keep distracting it while your ranged dudes lay on damage it won't move around except when it flies off

the problem is for melee/tank parties as the high dragon does seriously physical damage

at least that's how i defeated the high dragon after half my party died and it was just my 2h warrior and merril with 0 health potions left, just kept merril away and distracted the high dragon with my 2h warrior (without directly attacking it)

[MissJaded]

Modifié par MissJaded, 17 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[MissJaded]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

If you're talking about the last boss, as in the Act III boss, you might be alright by that time. You'll be a higher level, with better equipment and armor, etc. A whole different playing field really. If you mean the last boss of Act I, there in the thaig, that's a very long and frustrating fight that involves a lot of timing. Moving your party members individually, placing them behind pillars, etc. But you'll get through it.
If push comes to shove, you could always try using the console, or changing the difficulty level in your Options menu just for the bigger battles.
Best to you.

I was actually referring to the very last boss fight, right at the end of the game.
I guess that's the one in act 3. By the way, how do you work that out?
It doesn't mention any acts or anything in my game. I don't know how to work that out.

Anyway......

NOW, referrimng to the DEADLY rock wraith.......
Right! Okay..... I see what you mean when you say a long, frustrating fight with good timing e.t.c

I made a search on youtube for this fight and came up with this.


That is where my party are up to now.
It looks like one HELL.... of a horrible fight!:(

That person made it look quite easy, where as this one

took longer, due to using positioning e.t.c

By the way, the massive purple light thing which covers the whole room : I need to ask..... since the party are taking themselves behind the pillar...... what kind of damage does it do? All I see, is the rock wraith splitiing itself into about 4 or 5 little ones when that big puirple light appears. But I presume that it DOES do a certain amount of damage, right? Otehr wise the party wouldn't hide themselves momentarily.

Anyway...... what kind of tactics and stuff do you need for this fight?

I actually kind of started it a litlte, and started looking for the path back again.
But it seems that it has been blocked, which makes the fight harder!
So I loaded back to an earlier save, and now I'm practically DREADING it!


I can almsot feel myself tairing my hairf out and I'm not sure if I can do this fight at all!:(

Modifié par MissJaded, 17 avril 2011 - 12:16 .

[MissJaded]

88mphSlayer wrote...

keep your party mostly ranged, have 1 good tank that you control for most of the fight

you can distract the high dragon away from your ranged companions and dodge its fire missiles, when it breaths fire it's easy to dodge as well, largely if you keep distracting it while your ranged dudes lay on damage it won't move around except when it flies off

the problem is for melee/tank parties as the high dragon does seriously physical damage

at least that's how i defeated the high dragon after half my party died and it was just my 2h warrior and merril with 0 health potions left, just kept merril away and distracted the high dragon with my 2h warrior (without directly attacking it)

I think the high dragon was waaaayyyyy back somewhere. I think you maybe a bit confused somehow.
The dragon I had just fought was on the deep roads expedition which I have now dealt with.
So I'm done with that one.

Modifié par MissJaded, 17 avril 2011 - 12:23 .

[graylshaped]

Hmmm. If you had trouble with the dragon with a whole party, as a rogue, you may want to avoid challenging anyone (say, a Qunari chiefton) to a solo duel.

I'm wondering if you moved quickly through the main storyline without taking full advantage of the extra skills and talent points you can develop through exploring the side missions. If so, take your time in Act 2, putting off the main mission quests until after you have cleared away most of the side missions. That will help you take better advantage of the more powerful gear, too.

Good luck!

[caradoc2000]

MissJaded wrote...

I was actually referring to the very last boss fight, right at the end of the game.
I guess that's the one in act 3. By the way, how do you work that out?
It doesn't mention any acts or anything in my game. I don't know how to work that out.

The game has three acts. You are now in act 1. When you have defeated the rock wraith and get back to Kirkwall, you'll proceed to act 2.

[88mphSlayer]

MissJaded wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

keep your party mostly ranged, have 1 good tank that you control for most of the fight

you can distract the high dragon away from your ranged companions and dodge its fire missiles, when it breaths fire it's easy to dodge as well, largely if you keep distracting it while your ranged dudes lay on damage it won't move around except when it flies off

the problem is for melee/tank parties as the high dragon does seriously physical damage

at least that's how i defeated the high dragon after half my party died and it was just my 2h warrior and merril with 0 health potions left, just kept merril away and distracted the high dragon with my 2h warrior (without directly attacking it)

I think the high dragon was waaaayyyyy back somewhere. I think you maybe a bit confused somehow.
The dragon I had just fought was on the deep roads expedition which I have now dealt with.
So I'm done with that one.

oh that one? yeah sorry was confused, the high dragon is only in act 3, that dragon in the deep roads is actually kinda easy if you have ranged dudes just backtrack to the room with the doorway and it can't get through, just pick it off with ease if you ever get into any trouble (i've beaten it both this way and the honest way)

[simonc4175]

Fire resist runes and creation tree roots then it's easy.

Make sure you have pots and Anders doesn't get killed by adds.

[whykikyouwhy]

The rock wraith will sort of collapse upon itself and glow when he is about to send out a large energy wave. At the end of this, several smaller profanes will appear. So it's best to tuck your party members behind the pillars (and you may not want to have more than 2 of them behind a single pillar, because one of them may stick out a bit and get hit by the wave), then, when the glow subsides, run out and have one or two companions attack the profanes and the other attack the wraith. It will also fold up into a ball and charge at some members of the party, but you may be able to anticipate where it's going to move and get the party out of the way. Make the best use of your ranged weapons when you can. Don't use any lightning or electrical weapons/spells on it, but go for cold and fire. If you do get too close to it when it starts to glow, you may have some party members get sucked toward it. Just continue to try to move them out and away individually and they'll eventually clear it.

It took me a couple of tries on this fight during my first playthrough because I didn't catch the careful timing needed with the energy blasts. But once you have that down, it's really just a matter of waiting it out and moving a lot.

[MissJaded]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

The rock wraith will sort of collapse upon itself and glow when he is about to send out a large energy wave. At the end of this, several smaller profanes will appear. So it's best to tuck your party members behind the pillars (and you may not want to have more than 2 of them behind a single pillar, because one of them may stick out a bit and get hit by the wave), then, when the glow subsides, run out and have one or two companions attack the profanes and the other attack the wraith. It will also fold up into a ball and charge at some members of the party, but you may be able to anticipate where it's going to move and get the party out of the way. Make the best use of your ranged weapons when you can. Don't use any lightning or electrical weapons/spells on it, but go for cold and fire. If you do get too close to it when it starts to glow, you may have some party members get sucked toward it. Just continue to try to move them out and away individually and they'll eventually clear it.

It took me a couple of tries on this fight during my first playthrough because I didn't catch the careful timing needed with the energy blasts. But once you have that down, it's really just a matter of waiting it out and moving a lot.

That was quite a detailed, but very handy explanation of the fight.
Thanks for that.

There's only 1 small problem which you mentioned though.
I think I have Anders with only 1 cold damage skill/spell and the rest are lightning, 1 helaing spell/skill and 1 or 2 others which may not be as damaging.

I think I have 1 of my party with a cold  or fire damage rune too, but don't really remember without going back to check.

Overall though.... having watched this COMPLETE pain staking fight on youtube, I really don't think I could go through with it to be honest. I mean, I understand that when that big wave hits that I'll need to get my party members behind the pillars, (and in two's, like you suggested) and watch out for special attacks e.t.c, But to be honest, my party don't really have the best armour equips and weapons, (least of all my main char, Hawke as a rogue) and I just feel that they are really going to get themselves into very serious trouble within what..... 3 or 4 mins into the fight.
I only have about 4 or 5 health potions too, and I don't think it's going to be enough to get everyone through this fight without getting everyone smashed to pieces, and their backsides handed to them on a silver platter!:(
(even though I AM.... playing this game in easy/casual mode)


Anyway..... a few posts back, you mentioned the console.
Would you have any idea of how I can use that as a way of getting around this long and horrible fight more easier please??

PLUS...... also I have found that some of the fights in this game haven't really been enough for just 4 party members alone. The way everything has been setup, I really think there should be at LEAST 6 party members in all. For some of the part, I really think it has been quite a poor setup of a game on Bioware's part!

Modifié par MissJaded, 17 avril 2011 - 04:51 .

[MissJaded]

Modifié par MissJaded, 17 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

[whykikyouwhy]

The developer console is only available if you play on the PC. If that fits your situation, you can find some information about it here: http://dragonage.wik..._(Dragon_Age_II)  It just involves going into one of the files on your computer, adding some specific code, then launching the game from a brand new shortcut. You will want to back up your character before adding the code though - just find your character folder in your Documents and make a copy, save it somewhere like your desktop, etc. Also, when I have used the console in the past, I found that the sync between the game and my online profile didn't update. So, you may want to use the console shortcut for the big fights, then reload the game normally for your questing and such.

Some people like the console, some people don't. There are arguments for and against it. It's a personal choice though.

Before you do the even consider the console though, you may want to try changing the difficulty level in your Options menu and then trying the rock wraith fight. I did the thaig section in Normal mode, so I don't know what easy/casual looks like. The rock wraith fight might be shorter, who knows.

I know it's frustrating, but try not to despair. Your party may be at a low level and may not be as fully equipped as you might like, but it'll work out. You're in Act I, so naturally, your party isn't going to be all super epic or what not. It's the boss fights that are typically the most difficult in any game - the ones that make you sweat and scream out a million expletives. But then you get some nice story arc stuff afterwards, so it's all worth it in the end.

[MissJaded]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

The developer console is only available if you play on the PC. If that fits your situation, you can find some information about it here: http://dragonage.wik..._(Dragon_Age_II)  It just involves going into one of the files on your computer, adding some specific code, then launching the game from a brand new shortcut. You will want to back up your character before adding the code though - just find your character folder in your Documents and make a copy, save it somewhere like your desktop, etc. Also, when I have used the console in the past, I found that the sync between the game and my online profile didn't update. So, you may want to use the console shortcut for the big fights, then reload the game normally for your questing and such.

Some people like the console, some people don't. There are arguments for and against it. It's a personal choice though.

Before you do the even consider the console though, you may want to try changing the difficulty level in your Options menu and then trying the rock wraith fight. I did the thaig section in Normal mode, so I don't know what easy/casual looks like. The rock wraith fight might be shorter, who knows.

Hi again.

Thanks for all the advice you gave me.
I found it very helpful for the most part.
I still haven't started on this rock wraith fight yet. The weather is quite warm here in the U.K. right now.
I would like to at least give the rock wraith fight a proper go before tackling the console.
But I think I'm going to wait for the warm spell of weather to cool a bit first. (about a week or so)
It will cause me a bit less sweaty palms and armpits that way I think.
But it probabaly won't stop me from calling out those million expletives in the process though.
Shame.

Anyway..... erm..... there seems to be a small problem with the link you posted.
It brings me to the dragon age wiki website, (as normal) but with a message saying :

"Dragon Age Wiki does not have a page with this exact name!"


Is your link slightly incorrect in some way perhaps? Or maybe it has been removed from the site.
Any ideas here?

I know it's frustrating, but try not to despair. Your party may be at a low level and may not be as fully equipped as you might like, but it'll work out. You're in Act I, so naturally, your party isn't going to be all super epic or what not. It's the boss fights that are typically the most difficult in any game - the ones that make you sweat and scream out a million expletives. But then you get some nice story arc stuff afterwards, so it's all worth it in the end.

Yep. I guess you know how it feels. The boss fights are most DEFINITELY a real pain in the backside!!
That's true indeed!

Hopefully, somehow, someway..... I will get through it in the end.

Thanks again.

Modifié par MissJaded, 19 avril 2011 - 11:54 .

[caradoc2000]

MissJaded wrote...

Anyway..... erm..... there seems to be a small problem with the link you posted.
It brings me to the dragon age wiki website, (as normal) but with a message saying :

"Dragon Age Wiki does not have a page with this exact name!"


Is your link slightly incorrect in some way perhaps? Or maybe it has been removed from the site.
Any ideas here?

Missing the ending parenthesis: http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

[whykikyouwhy]

Sorry about that. Do let us know how things turn out. But you probably should switch the options to easy/casual and try to fight before committing to the console. If you can just do a quick change like that, all the better.

@caradoc2000 - thanks for cleaning up the link!

[MissJaded]

caradoc2000 wrote...

MissJaded wrote...

Anyway..... erm..... there seems to be a small problem with the link you posted.
It brings me to the dragon age wiki website, (as normal) but with a message saying :

"Dragon Age Wiki does not have a page with this exact name!"


Is your link slightly incorrect in some way perhaps? Or maybe it has been removed from the site.
Any ideas here?

Missing the ending parenthesis: http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

That's great! It's a lot better now. I can read through it very clearly now. I never would have worked it out myself that something was missing at the end of the link.
Thanks a lot.

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Sorry about that. Do let us know
how things turn out. But you probably should switch the options to
easy/casual and try to fight before committing to the console. If you
can just do a quick change like that, all the better.

@caradoc2000 - thanks for cleaning up the link!

No problems. Guess it was just a simple mistake.
We all make them every once in a while. Glad that somebody was able to fix it.

Btw, I've been playing D.A 2 in the easiest dificulty setting (i.e. casusal) for most of the game already, including the dragon fight I complained a lot about too. But even so, I still didn't find the boss fights the easiest to deal with.

My party managed to get that dragon down to maybe about half its health in the beginning, so I didn't do too badly. But even so, I still felt that I didn't have as many health potions as I would have liked, and a couple of my companions still lost quite a lot of health becasue of the dragons various forms of attacks.

I felt that the added little draginlings coming in afterwrds didn't help matters much either, especially since some of my companions had already lost quite a bit of health too. So going to the room with the little door kinda helped me through that in the end.

One thing I didn't know however, that I wish I could have done now, was to load my party with more fire defence equips and frost effensive weapons e.t.c. I never knew about that beforehand.
But anyway, I've got past that bit now and moving on with the game, I'm having to think about what types of defences and effences to use as I travel on thorugh the rest of the game.

Modifié par MissJaded, 20 avril 2011 - 09:45 .

[caradoc2000]

Note that many of the toughest enemies are in optional side quests.

[Redneck1st]

With the dragons and the Qunari the are both vunerable to cold both weapons and spells. Also make sure your mage has the skill Elemental weapons. That way and keep a staff of each handy so that you can switch it out for a paticuar fight so you get more bang. You see what ever elemental Staff your Mage is using all party members get it as long as your Mage has the elemental weapons skill.

Comes in hand for fights with the qunari, dragons fighters and any others you might want to take down easier. I play through on hard and didn't have no problems at all.

[MissJaded]

Redneck1st wrote...

With the dragons and the Qunari the are both vunerable to cold both weapons and spells. Also make sure your mage has the skill Elemental weapons. That way and keep a staff of each handy so that you can switch it out for a paticuar fight so you get more bang. You see what ever elemental Staff your Mage is using all party members get it as long as your Mage has the elemental weapons skill.

Comes in hand for fights with the qunari, dragons fighters and any others you might want to take down easier. I play through on hard and didn't have no problems at all.

That sounds like a very handy skill/spell to me. I'll have to remember to pick it up next time Anders gets a level up. I just wish I knew before starting the game that there would be enemies of this type, but I never really thought about it beforehand. :-/

I think I have Anders with only 1 cold damage spell, another lightning type and various few other spells which aren't really elemental. But I do have him with at least 1 healing spell which is quite handy I guess.

Unfortunately though, I don't think I have my other party memebers with anything elemental at the moment apart from Varric with a fire risistance rune on his trusty crossbow, Bianca.

Modifié par MissJaded, 22 avril 2011 - 05:21 .