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[TheButterflyEffect]

And so do those twits on tvTropes who only try to justify and make excuses for the shoddy writing around this awful character.

I accept no goddamn excuses for him dumping the Warden like a hot potato if he becomes king. Is he not the goddamned king? Can he not do whatever he wants? Kings can't be re-elected. And if the Warden has to be "noble" can't he just give her a noble title? Make her a bann or something and then marry her. Hed do that if he actually loved the Warden, not just say "Sorry but your dirt veins not good enough for my royal **** anymore, but thanks for the sex!!! bye bye skank!!!"

Also, the fertility thing is a lie. A male warden is shown can still go around knocking up chicks ad infinitum, so why can't a female get up the duff too? Fiona. Pffft.

...Right. Most crap character ever. Ferelden and everything about it sucks and I don't want to see it featured in another game again.

Oh well, Wardens and everything about them suck anyway.

[TearsoftheForest]

Well, sorry you don't like him, he was always my favorite npc. He is very funny and I enjoyed his banter with my pc and with Morrigan.

Was the only reason I kept whiny Morrigan around. She was always pretending to be naughtier than she really was, she wants to kill her mom but yet gets emotional on some of things with her.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Gah, she only wanted to follow to get into his pants and up the duff with his magical dragon demon brat. Right.

Wasn't funny. Was more a whinger and a crybaby and little weenie and just annoying and stupid, a man with no balls or guts to be had. I need a real man, not a *****.

[errant_knight]

Wow. Bitter much? I can't believe you're back on this again.

[rak72]

Alistair is hot.

[TheButterflyEffect]

No, Zevran was hot.

So was Isabela, the original and her new DA2 version.

[TearsoftheForest]

That's just your opinion Butterfly, just like my opinion on Morrigan is 'just my opinion'.

Lot of people I know found Allistair to be very funny cause of his dialog.

If you don't like him don't use him and stop crying about it on here. As I can see from here http://social.biowar...9/index/5942651 you were at this before. Use Sten or someone else.

[TheButterflyEffect]

You didn't answer the question I originally posed. Why can't he just give her a noble title and land and then marry her? Loghain was a peasant before Maric made him noble and then it was perfectly okay for the ex-peasant's daughter to marry the king's son...

[rak72]

Maybe he just wasn't that into your warden & this was an easy way to get rid of her. Too bad, he got on great with my warden - they even got married.

[TheButterflyEffect]

HN origin is lame. My Wardens weren't even human so we got put to the rubbish bin, as apparently even the greatest Hero EVER doesn't deserve a noble title or her true love. That slime Loghain got a title for winning a simple human fight, we killed a dragon and all we get is dumped? Also Gaining the status of Mistress shouldn't even have needed persuasion, so obviously he was just an all around ****.

But why did they even have to break up permenantly, anyway? Why couldn't they reconcile and work something out and get back together at the end to prove they were still truly in love? If he really loved her he wouldn't ditch her ever, for anything, ever. Ugh. Shoddy writing. Crap character. Hate it, hate, despise it, loathe it to death.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 15 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[Mecher3k]

Seriously the characters in DA:O are far superior to the cast of DA2 except for a small few.

I even kept alistar as my tank or just in my group even as a shield and sword noble, he's just that awesome.

[antonymagnus]

Obviously the people who wrote DAO have no idea what true love really is, if they did Allistair would not dump the female warden no matter what. And Morrigan is a b@#$% but she has her uses. I would take her any day over that idiot elf from Awakening Velanna.

[DahliaLynn]

The mere fact that this character affected you so much as to cause you to go on about how much you dislike the decisions made, shows that the writing was in fact very very *good* writing, as it evokes such emotional response to the character's decisions in the game. Just because you don't agree with his decisions doesn't mean he is badly written. Sometimes the unexpected is more realistic than the predictable.

I could agree that for Wardens other than HN got the short end of the stick, and it would annoy me terribly, David Gaider apologized to Alistair fans for the dumping All I can say is that I'm glad I played HN, and for the HN warden, although hard to attain as well, she gets the best ending, and for me, Alistair was written superbly. So you can argue that he wasn't written well for other races, it doesn't mean he is a badly written character on the whole.

I'm quite sure there was much thought put into the question of whether or not an elf or dwarf could "rule beside him" since that would have tremendous implications on the rule of Ferelden. Bad enough that Alistair was considered a bastard, but to be come king with an elf or dwarf by his side would have caused a general ruckus among the people and most probably weaken his position.

Would you say that after playing the HN warden he's still badly written?

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 15 avril 2011 - 11:34 .

[Arthur Cousland]

If you dislike Alistair that much and have a backup save somewhere prior to the landsmeet, you could always side with Anora and have Alistair meet a not-so-happy ending. You could also just not have him become king so your warden could ride off into the sunset with him.

[Beerfish]

Any guy that likes cheese and beer is all right in my books.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Still I ****ing hate that ****. If he loved the Warden he wouldn't have screwed her over that way. That's just beyond wrong, you wouldn't do that to someone you're truly in love with EVER. No matter what. Not even for politics. If he loved her he'd hold on to her and tell anyone with objections to ****** off!

Who cares what the people think? Let those filthy peasants drown in their own feces. Hate elves and dwarves all they want, he's the King, he can do whatever the hell he wants. why should it matter who he marries? Cailan married a peasant's daughter after all. if he's king he can do whatever he wants. that's such a small issue it shouldn't even matter. What should matter is how well he does as ruler, nothing else.

**** WRITING.

Also, **** those ****s at tvTropes who keep deleting my question about why Alistair can't just give her a title and then marry her, since Loghain was peasant who was given a terynir and then the next king married his daughter...

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 15 avril 2011 - 08:32 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

I'm still fuming that they'd freakin do that, what's the point of doing all the work of putting romance into the game if you're just going to wreck it like that? That and Alistair's licentious relationship with Morrigan and the fact that she HAS to **** him before the end really ruined it for me. My tortured heart aches. If this were real life I'd probably kill myself. I hate men. HAAATE them. They claim to love yet can't ever seem to stop ****ing other women and making more bastards orphans to burden the goddamn planet.

Then again, the Morrigan romance was still ruined too, and I was very disappointed that it still didn't get an ending in DA2. She obviously never loved the Warden, freaking running off with your demon brat, why the hell would she do that to him if she loved him? So ridiculous and stupid. You ESPECIALLY don't pull crap like that on someone you love. EVER.

Then again the other two also got wrecked in DA2. What the hell is Zevran doing in the Free Marches? And why the hell is Leliana with the ****ing Seekers now? I though the relationship in DA2 made her realize what a crock of **** the Chantry is and how much of an idiot she was being with her preachyness, and she decided to ditch the stupid Chantry for good. That dumb empty headed ****.

DA needs a new goddamned writer. And a toolset.

[Lady Olivia]

DahliaLynn wrote...

The mere fact that this character affected you so much as to cause you to go on about how much you dislike the decisions made, shows that the writing was in fact very very *good* writing, as it evokes such emotional response to the character's decisions in the game.

This.

As for "why doesn't he make her noble": [An unhardened] Alistair is an idealist and he sees his being a king as a grim duty, a service, a sacrifice - basically anything *but* an opportunity to do whatever the hell he wants.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Lady Olivia wrote...

DahliaLynn wrote...

The mere fact that this character affected you so much as to cause you to go on about how much you dislike the decisions made, shows that the writing was in fact very very *good* writing, as it evokes such emotional response to the character's decisions in the game.

This.

As for "why doesn't he make her noble": [An unhardened] Alistair is an idealist and he sees his being a king as a grim duty, a service, a sacrifice - basically anything *but* an opportunity to do whatever the hell he wants.

Unharded Alistair doesn't even really love the Warden you know. relationship caps at "adore". It's a sham. and a load of crap.

But harded Alistair should be different. But still sucks. Why doesn't HE suggest right away the mistress thing at least? He obviously still doesn't love the Warden even then. Has he STILL not grown a goddamned sack? He can do whatever the hell he wants. Why not just give her a damned title and then marry her? He'll be giving lots of other people titles before he dies. He's the supreme ruler and nobody can tell him what to do or who to ****. But no, it's just "sorry can't have you dirt blood **** hanging around, but thanks for the piece of ass, bye!" No, he obviously didn't love her at all and the romance is an epic waste of time and a joke.

It was OK for Cailan to marry a peasant's daughter but the player and him can't be together? What a load of ****. **** this. Crap writing. Crap character. This sucks, it all sucks and NOTHING justifies pulling this crap over on the poor Player Character.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 15 avril 2011 - 09:28 .

[Maria13]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I'm still fuming that they'd freakin do that, what's the point of doing all the work of putting romance into the game if you're just going to wreck it like that? That and Alistair's licentious relationship with Morrigan and the fact that she HAS to **** him before the end really ruined it for me. My tortured heart aches. If this were real life I'd probably kill myself. I hate men. HAAATE them. They claim to love yet can't ever seem to stop ****ing other women and making more bastards orphans to burden the goddamn planet.

Then again, the Morrigan romance was still ruined too, and I was very disappointed that it still didn't get an ending in DA2. She obviously never loved the Warden, freaking running off with your demon brat, why the hell would she do that to him if she loved him? So ridiculous and stupid. You ESPECIALLY don't pull crap like that on someone you love. EVER.

Then again the other two also got wrecked in DA2. What the hell is Zevran doing in the Free Marches? And why the hell is Leliana with the ****ing Seekers now? I though the relationship in DA2 made her realize what a crock of **** the Chantry is and how much of an idiot she was being with her preachyness, and she decided to ditch the stupid Chantry for good. That dumb empty headed ****.

DA needs a new goddamned writer. And a toolset.

As well as ranting, you are making several questionable assumptions here:

• All romances have happy endings: they don't.
• Alistair enjoyed the DR, everything seems to indicate he didn't.
• Leliana is as prescient as you are, why?
• Morrigan romanced loved the warden. She may have done but not over and above what she believes she has to do (see 1 above).

Ummm, are you sure you're OK?

Modifié par Maria13, 15 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[DahliaLynn]

Edit: double post

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 15 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Maria13 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I'm still fuming that they'd freakin do that, what's the point of doing all the work of putting romance into the game if you're just going to wreck it like that? That and Alistair's licentious relationship with Morrigan and the fact that she HAS to **** him before the end really ruined it for me. My tortured heart aches. If this were real life I'd probably kill myself. I hate men. HAAATE them. They claim to love yet can't ever seem to stop ****ing other women and making more bastards orphans to burden the goddamn planet.

Then again, the Morrigan romance was still ruined too, and I was very disappointed that it still didn't get an ending in DA2. She obviously never loved the Warden, freaking running off with your demon brat, why the hell would she do that to him if she loved him? So ridiculous and stupid. You ESPECIALLY don't pull crap like that on someone you love. EVER.

Then again the other two also got wrecked in DA2. What the hell is Zevran doing in the Free Marches? And why the hell is Leliana with the ****ing Seekers now? I though the relationship in DA2 made her realize what a crock of **** the Chantry is and how much of an idiot she was being with her preachyness, and she decided to ditch the stupid Chantry for good. That dumb empty headed ****.

DA needs a new goddamned writer. And a toolset.

As well as ranting, you are making several questionable assumptions here:

• All romances havehappy endings: they don't.
• Alistair enjoyed the DR, everything seems to indicate he didn't.
• Leliana is as prescient as you are, why?
• Morrigan romanced loved the warden. She may have done but not over and above what she believes she has to do (see 1 above).

Ummm, are you sure you're OK?

1. Yeah but if it's just gonna be put into the ****ter at the end what's the point of even including it in the game? How pointless.

2. Then why did he do it on his own in Darkspawn Chronicles? Yuck. What a freak.

3. I thought she was with the Warden, not the goddamned Chantry.

4. Then I want a FINAL conclusion to the romance story arc and a HELL of a good reason as to why she would do something that horrendouly awful to the Warden if she actually loved him. Seriously, Imagine yourself in a situation like that in the real world. Would you not find it horribly distressing and painful? Someone who loves you would not ever, ever do that to you for ANY reason. For what reason would she feel the need to run of with the brat and keep the Warden out of the picture? That doesn't sound very loving to me and I can't think of any goddamn reason why she would do that. I thought she wasn't following Flemeth anymore, she's free and on her own now!

[TheButterflyEffect]

DahliaLynn wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Unharded Alistair doesn't even really love the Warden you know. relationship caps at "adore". It's a sham. and a load of crap.

This isn't true. Unhardened Alistair caps at love after you have completed his personal quests.

Play HN. You'll feel better

But HN still sucks. Why couldn't that damned brother stay dead? He returns from nowhere at the tail end of the game JUST to ruin you, take over your father's land and title, and you get left with nothing.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 15 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[rak72]

If your warden really loved Alistair, she wouldn't have made him king. All Alistair wanted was to spend his remaining years with the one he loved, and your decision ruined that for him.

[DahliaLynn]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Unharded Alistair doesn't even really love the Warden you know. relationship caps at "adore". It's a sham. and a load of crap.

This isn't true. Unhardened Alistair caps at love after you have completed his personal quests.

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
he's the King, he can do whatever the hell he wants.

Play HN. You'll feel better

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 15 avril 2011 - 10:17 .