rak72 wrote...
If your warden really loved Alistair, she wouldn't have made him king. All Alistair wanted was to spend his remaining years with the one he loved, and your decision ruined that for him.
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But HN still sucks. Why couldn't that damned brother stay dead? He returns from nowhere at the tail end of the game JUST to ruin you, take over your father's land and title, and you get left with nothing.
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
DahliaLynn wrote...
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Unharded Alistair doesn't even really love the Warden you know. relationship caps at "adore". It's a sham. and a load of crap.
This isn't true. Unhardened Alistair caps at love after you have completed his personal quests.
Play HN. You'll feel better
But HN still sucks. Why couldn't that damned brother stay dead? He returns from nowhere at the tail end of the game JUST to ruin you, take over your father's land and title, and you get left with nothing.
rak72 wrote...
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But HN still sucks. Why couldn't that damned brother stay dead? He returns from nowhere at the tail end of the game JUST to ruin you, take over your father's land and title, and you get left with nothing.
See, that proves your just a power monger & didn't really care about him
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
rak72 wrote...
If your warden really loved Alistair, she wouldn't have made him king. All Alistair wanted was to spend his remaining years with the one he loved, and your decision ruined that for him.
No, if Anora is left on the pretty yellow chair, in Awakening (and I argued with those hardasses on tvTropes over this too) he screws off to Weissopt for whatever ****** reason and we don't even get so much as a damned letter or anything from him.
rak72 wrote...
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
rak72 wrote...
If your warden really loved Alistair, she wouldn't have made him king. All Alistair wanted was to spend his remaining years with the one he loved, and your decision ruined that for him.
No, if Anora is left on the pretty yellow chair, in Awakening (and I argued with those hardasses on tvTropes over this too) he screws off to Weissopt for whatever ****** reason and we don't even get so much as a damned letter or anything from him.
If, when choosing your boon, you pick that you are going to help rebuild the wardens, no one dissappears to weisopt
Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 15 avril 2011 - 09:46 .
DahliaLynn wrote...
All of your issues are quite valid for you. And apparently are quite detailed with complaints spanning throughout all three games. It appears you will never agree, nor be satisfied with the choices the devs made. So if you don't like Alistair, you might want to consider playing another game.
Modifié par rak72, 15 avril 2011 - 10:01 .
rak72 wrote...
He was on another mission, probably seeing what Hawke was up to in the free marches. Awakening lasted only a few months. You guys meet up later. Lots of couples get separated for a time when they go away on business
I kind of like that. 
Melca36 wrote...
rak72 wrote...
He was on another mission, probably seeing what Hawke was up to in the free marches. Awakening lasted only a few months. You guys meet up later. Lots of couples get separated for a time when they go away on business
If you do the Warden ending...he disappears with you.
Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon, 15 avril 2011 - 11:06 .
Modifié par Niza, 16 avril 2011 - 03:43 .
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Modifié par Niza, 17 avril 2011 - 06:41 .
Welll....kiss my butt! I don't care if you don't like them! There is nothing awful about either Alistair or the Wardens. They are both noble and bright and shiny, and there ARE limits to what the people will allow the King to do! You are just ignorant if you don't believe that.TheButterflyEffect wrote...
And so do those twits on tvTropes who only try to justify and make excuses for the shoddy writing around this awful character.
I accept no goddamn excuses for him dumping the Warden like a hot potato if he becomes king. Is he not the goddamned king? Can he not do whatever he wants? Kings can't be re-elected. And if the Warden has to be "noble" can't he just give her a noble title? Make her a bann or something and then marry her. Hed do that if he actually loved the Warden, not just say "Sorry but your dirt veins not good enough for my royal **** anymore, but thanks for the sex!!! bye bye skank!!!"
Also, the fertility thing is a lie. A male warden is shown can still go around knocking up chicks ad infinitum, so why can't a female get up the duff too? Fiona. Pffft.
...Right. Most crap character ever. Ferelden and everything about it sucks and I don't want to see it featured in another game again.
Oh well, Wardens and everything about them suck anyway.
Modifié par SRWill64, 17 avril 2011 - 07:30 .
You are wrong on all points about Alistair except the one about how much he talks about Duncan....the only father he really ever knew. It shows your ignorance by saying these things about such a sensitive and caring man....a woman might have done things differently but he also knows his fellow countrymen wouldn't allow him to keep power and do EVERYTHING he wanted to do.Niza wrote...
I agree with the original post. Alistair is suck and i hate him.
- he is not a responsible man. He just left all the responsibility to a new recruit and a woman
- he didn't give any help or guide to main character becoming a grey warden either, just good for fighting and nothing more
- he have a really bad jokes
- he keep many secrets, about grey wardens and about himself
- he lie too much, he said he can sense dark spawn in Korcari Wilds but he don't sense any dark spawn
- he said grey wardens are warriors with no equal, but the truth is grey wardens are the same with other warriors or even weaker
- he always whining
- he always talking about Duncan
- he didn't thankful for Flemeth and Morrigan help simply because he don't like "apostates"
- he don't have a strong character
sleeping with Morrigan can save life with the demon baby is a joke...the main character can simply ask Morrigan to teach the ritual to her...she is about to pregnant a tainted child with Alistair right? lols but there is no option for that. It is a flaw in the story. We can always asking NPC to teach something although not our class like Arcane Warrior and Duelist if we play Warrior class. The spirit give images and so we can teach our mage friends the basic of being Arcane Warrior. Why can't female warden ask Morrigan to teach the ritual?
Furthermore, just one night stand can produce a baby? I think not. What assurence that Alistair is "healthy" and Morrigan is not barren? It took a lot of sex to produce baby as far as i know. To have a baby with just one sex is a lucky shot.
What is the relation between tainted blood with cannot get pregnant? If Alistair and female Warden cannot get an heir, why Morrigan can? Alistair is tainted. Furthermore, there are no evidence saying female warden cannot get pregnant because there are few female warden. It is a lie.
Modifié par SRWill64, 17 avril 2011 - 07:49 .
Lady Olivia wrote...
DahliaLynn wrote...
The mere fact that this character affected you so much as to cause you to go on about how much you dislike the decisions made, shows that the writing was in fact very very *good* writing, as it evokes such emotional response to the character's decisions in the game.
This.
As for "why doesn't he make her noble": [An unhardened] Alistair is an idealist and he sees his being a king as a grim duty, a service, a sacrifice - basically anything *but* an opportunity to do whatever the hell he wants.
SRWill64 wrote...
You are wrong on all points about Alistair except the one about how much he talks about Duncan....the only father he really ever knew. It shows your ignorance by saying these things about such a sensitive and caring man....a woman might have done things differently but he also knows his fellow countrymen wouldn't allow him to keep power and do EVERYTHING he wanted to do.
It was a stretch for them to accept having an elven representative from the Alienage to have a position in court so the elves would have a voice. They wouldn't accept an elven queen, even if she was given a teynir and declared noble...it just wouldn't work. Politics are politics, after all. Even in Ferelden.
And if you don't think a one night stand can produce a baby, ask all the unwed teen moms who said, 'But it was only one time!' It happens more than you would ever guess. Besides.....magic was involved. I'm sure that would boost the odds considerably. If only one is tainted the chances are a lot better of conceiving than it would be if both are tainted. That fact was made clear by Mr. Gaider in The Calling. And again reiterated in the game, if you choose the correct pathways.
And, again...if you choose the right pathways, Alistair reveals a LOT about himself....A LOT.
Modifié par Niza, 17 avril 2011 - 01:24 .
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Modifié par ejoslin, 17 avril 2011 - 04:36 .
Niza wrote...
No you are generalizing. Think of it...
1. Alistair is the senior grey Warden here and he is a man. After Tower of Ishal he is demoralized completely. Afterward HE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Female main character is a new recruit for just one night. What the hell this new recruit, and a woman, know how to handle everything. She don't even know anything about being a grey Warden. But Alistair give all the burden on her shoulder. Is that a responsible man will do?
2. He making much claims such as Grey Warden can sense dark spawn and have certain way in defeat them. Boasting about Grey Warden in which it is totally NOT TRUE. He is a liar or a programmer forgot to add "Grey Warden Specialization" after the Joining. In either way, he is a liar. Then he said Grey Warden only can live for 30 years...suck.
3. Whatever is written in the epilogue is actually BS, because Alistair character and attitude didn't show that he will become a good king and loved by everyone. He maybe a good man i mean not an evil man, but he is not a good king. He cannot make descision...it is the female Warden decision all the time and he follow. Is that kind of a man will become a good king and not get poisoned like Lord Harrowmont?
4. He talk about Duncan too much, yes we know how he miss Duncan, and Duncan is everything to him. But Elissa Cousland LOST EVERYTHING! Her mom, dad, brother, family, home, land, title....and Alistair only care about Duncan...he NEVER ask about the female Warden feeling (if play as Human Noble). He want to be cared, but he don't care...
5. Alistair is not the man worth to romance with. He earn no respect and earn no "approval" from me. He only care about what he want and femaleWarden must respect him but do he care what the female Warden want? Not only that she have no choice and live only for 30 years, have tainted blood, have to handle everyone affair....cannot have a baby with him, must allow him to sex with Morrigan to save everyone and avoid making choice to sacrifice self or anyone...the world fate is on her shoulder, must gain alliance and unite ferelden, involve self in dangers and someone else politics....what Alistair do? "I don't want to be a king..."
What is "right path way"? No right pathway!
No, about pregnancy, like i said to have a baby in one night stand requires a very healthy woman and man, it is a luck (or unluck). My brother didn't get baby for 2 years in his marriage, but my sister just got a baby now 7 month old after one year marriage. So a CONFIRMED got a baby in Morrigan ritual with only one shot is BS. No matter if want to justifed with magic or what, getting a baby is biological, not magic.
So, Grey Warden couple cannot have baby is alo BS. No relation between tainted blood with sperm and ovum. The only possible thing is the child is tainted, thats all. But cannot concieve a child is totally BS.
If want to talk about DAO universe, how Brood Mother breeding? Isn't Brood Mothers are humanoid female being force fed with dark spawn flesh???? Still they are breeding. What justify Grey Warden couple cannot breed?
EDIT :
Carth Onasi in KotOR is far better than Alistair. And i respect him although he is just a character in a game.
Modifié par KBomb, 17 avril 2011 - 04:53 .
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