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[Qis]

KBomb wrote...

I’m just going to give this a shot.
1. Alistair gives the Warden advice sometimes about what he thinks they need to do, or should be doing. The issue isn’t whether he can lead, it’s that he doesn’t want to. He doesn’t want to be responsible for people or their lives. The Warden assumes the role naturally and he lets her/him. Whether he is Senior Warden or not has little bearing. Also, I do not see what her being a woman has to do with her being able to lead.

2. Grey Wardens can sense Darkspawn and cannot be “tainted” anymore than they already are. This makes them perfect for defeating darkspawn. Why you think they should have a specialization is beyond me. I also don’t understand why Alistair “sucks” because he told you that your life is shortened. Don’t blame the messenger.

3. Alistair becomes a good king because he knows he has to. He becomes studious in his endeavor to do so. He loves his people and has grown in the year or so. Anyone would after going through what they went through. Henry the VIII was raised for the purpose of going into the church and was a good king when he was made to do so. (Until he went a little nuts, but I digress)

4. Yes, he spoke of Duncan often. So? Duncan was a father figure and Alistair had a lot of guilt. You’re angry because you didn’t get to pour your heart out about your family? So really you’re angry because it wasn’t about you.

5. Your opinion.

About the DR: Nonsense. If you look through out history at myths, you’d find that magical consummations resulting in pregnancy is not uncommon and certainly possible in that realm. Comparing your family’s journey in conception to a fantasy story in which a witch ensues on a magical quest to get pregnant is like comparing medical science to a mage healer. Also, you can get pregnant by having sex just once and in case you don't know this: use protection.

I will rebutt you

1. I compare with Carth Onasi in KotOR :
- Carth follow the female main character because the main character is the only one who know alien language. In Taris there is a lot of diplomatic situation with the aliens, the Hutt mostly
- when main character choose dark side option, Carth will getting mad, and ther is option to continue the evil act or following Carth advice. If go on with evil act, Carth will hate you.
- after become a Jedi Padawan, it is the Jedi Council wish that all the companions helping main character in the mission of the anciant maps. So Carth join in because it is his duty as the Republic soldier and he actually don't like the idea. And now he is lower rank than the main character because all Jedis are automatically higher rank than any Republic soldiers. Furthermore the woman he following around was actually the former Dark Lord of the Sith...he don't know. After he know, he have no choice because he have involve in.
- Carth show his leadership quality although he following a woman butt all the time
- Carth also a good man, sensitive, a loving father and a faithful husband..he didn't forget his dead wife and his lost son...he see some of his dead wife qualities in YOU...YOU make him remember about his wife...
- Carth also give support and suggestions in most situation. The romance is so sweet.....
- Bastila guide main character in becoming a proper Jedi...although she become a dark Jedi later...
- about being a woman. I didn't say women can't lead. But we can see Alistair attitude avoiding responsibility and burden a woman who don't know anything about being a Grey Warden and a new recruit. HE DIDN'T guide, don't lie to me. He just talk about Duncan most of the time and never guide on how to become a Grey Warden.
- just think, how about you just being a member of an organization that you don't know anything about it, then your senior didn't help you anything and put all responsiblity on your shoulder?
- Alistair is a spoiled man

2. False. Either Alistrair or main character didn't sense dark spawn in the game. SURVIVAL skill that allow the player to sense enemies. The enemies will be marked s red dot on mini map. Many times dark spawn ambush us especially invisible dark spawn rogue, player or Alistair didn't detect or sense them. It is better not to tell or it is better not to make that script.

3. Lord Harromount also love his people and then he got poisoned in the epilogue.

4. I hate Duncan. Yes, Alistair FORGOT on what happen to "my family" (Elissa Cousland) MANY TIMES...he always say "Oh...i forgot that...silly me..." or something like that ach time he talk about Duncan. If we "forgot" about Duncan or tell him to leave it behind we got massive dissaproval from him. 

5. yes my opinion

Everything is nonsense. So Morrigan pregnancy is biologic or magical? If magical, why need sex? Morrigan ritual is no need if the script is : Grey Warden couple can have babies. So no need for female player ****** off allowing Alistair sex with Morrigan. The ritual is SEX.

Male players have no problem in that. Male players can always choose not to sex Morrigan and sacrifice Alistair with no heart feeling.

Modifié par Niza, 18 avril 2011 - 03:35 .

[ejoslin]

Morrigan's pregnancy is magical. I mean, she does a whole ceremony to ensure conception, and there is even more to it so that the baby will absorb the old god's soul.

Both Alistair and the warden sense darkspawn. Both in silly battle cries (my warden sense is tingling) and in dreams.

Harrowmont was never a good king. He cared nothing for anyone but the nobles. He was intent on continuing the status quo even though it was killing Orzammar and left the casteless in complete poverty, where they weren't even allowed to work.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 avril 2011 - 02:45 .

[Qis]

lols whatever...

Nope, no sense dark spawn no matter what. If there are enemies near you no matter what type we have certain dialogue, similar when dark spawn is near. Both Alistair and warden didn't detect dark spawn unless one of them have Survival skill. Enemies will be shown as red dots on mini map.So if any enemy is in a room, you can see them. You cannot see them if you don't have Survival skill.

Harrowmont a good king or not he is better than Bhelen. Like i said before, i don't care what epilogue say. Epilogue is just want to ****** you off, making you regret with your choices and BS.

Modifié par Niza, 18 avril 2011 - 03:18 .

[KBomb]

Niza wrote...

I will rebutt you

1. I compare with Carth Onasi in KotOR :
- Carth follow the female main character because the main character is the only one who know alien language. In Taris there is a lot of diplomatic situation with the aliens, the Hutt mostly
- when main character choose dark side option, Carth will getting mad, and ther is option to continue the evil act or following Carth advice. If go on with evil act, Carth will hate you.
- after become a Jedi Padawan, it is the Jedi Council wish that all the companions helping main character in the mission of the anciant maps. So Carth join in because it is his duty as the Republic soldier and he actually don't like the idea. And now he is lower rank than the main character because all Jedis are automatically higher rank than any Republic soldiers. Furthermore the woman he following around was actually the former Dark Lord of the Sith...he don't know. After he know, he have no choice because he have involve in.
- Carth show his leadership quality although he following a woman butt all the time
- Carth also a good man, sensitive, a loving father and a faithful husband..he didn't forget his dead wife and his lost son...he see some of his dead wife qualities in YOU...YOU make him remember about his wife...
- Carth also give support and suggestions in most situation. The romance is so sweet.....
- Bastila guide main character in becoming a proper Jedi...although she become a dark Jedi later...
- about being a woman. I didn't say women can't lead. But we can see Alistair attitude avoiding responsibility and burden a woman who don't know anything about being a Grey Warden and a new recruit. HE DIDN'T guide, don't lie to me. He just talk about Duncan most of the time and never guide on how to become a Grey Warden.
- just think, how about you just being a member of an organization that you don't know anything about it, then your senior didn't help you anything and put all responsiblity on your shoulder?
- Alistair is a spoiled man

2. False. Either Alistrair or main character didn't sense dark spawn in the game. SURVIVAL skill that allow the player to sense enemies. The enemies will be marked s red dot on mini map. Many times dark spawn ambush us especially invisible dark spawn rogue, player or Alistair didn't detect or sense them. It is better not to tell or it is better not to make that script.

3. Lord Harromount also love his people and then he got poisoned in the epilogue.

4. I hate Duncan. Yes, Alistair FORGOT on what happen to "my family" (Elissa Cousland) MANY TIMES...he always say "Oh...i forgot that...silly me..." or something like that ach time he talk about Duncan. If we "forgot" about Duncan or tell him to leave it behind we got massive dissaproval from him. 

5. yes my opinion

Everything is nonsense. So Morrigan pregnancy is biologic or magical? If magical, why need sex? Morrigan ritual is no need if the script is : Grey Warden couple can have babies. So no need for female player ****** off allowing Alistair sex with Morrigan. The ritual is SEX.

Male players have no problem in that. Male players can always choose not to sex Morrigan and sacrifice Alistair with no heart feeling.

I’m not really sure why you’re comparing Alistair to Carth. When you compare two different people based on what you think they should be, one will always fall short and it is inevitably the one you dislike the most. It’s biased.

It makes perfect sense Alistair allowed you to lead. It would have been an odd game had you been follow his order and never making any important decisions. Your Warden leading was essential to the story progression and if you can’t see that, I can’t help you.

If Alistair is in your party, he does offer advice. I wasn’t lying, don’t be so histrionic. While talking to Flemeth, he suggests you find Arl Eamon. He offers advice about the treaties in Lothering. He offers commentary in the Circle while speaking with Gregior about the RoA. He suggests the Circle help you with Connor in RedCliffe…etc…etc. He also answers questions about the Wardens when you speak with him in camp.

I think you’re expecting too much about the wardens sensing darkspawn. As someone said before, they do make statements about darkspawn being present through battle cries and statements. It would be pretty boring if they made a public announcement before entering an area about which enemy is waiting around the corner. It’s done subtly because there is a Blight and you know…lots of darkspawn. So announcing it would be redundant.
Lord Harrowmont was a kind man, but he was not king material. Whether you think he was a good king or not falls into opinion, many did not think he was. He was seen as weak and partial. They took him out because he couldn’t stand against them.

The ritual wasn’t sex. The ritual was about conception with sex being the means to an end. Magic has it uses, but cloning or springing DNA from cloud bursts was not applicable at that time as far as I know.
If a man is romancing Leliana or Zevran and had to sleep with Morrigan at the end, it was not done lightly. It sounds like you’re angry at Alistair for sleeping with her. You made that choice to have him do so.

Modifié par KBomb, 18 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[SRWill64]

Niza wrote...

lols whatever...

Nope, no sense dark spawn no matter what. If there are enemies near you no matter what type we have certain dialogue, similar when dark spawn is near. Both Alistair and warden didn't detect dark spawn unless one of them have Survival skill. Enemies will be shown as red dots on mini map.So if any enemy is in a room, you can see them. You cannot see them if you don't have Survival skill.

Harrowmont a good king or not he is better than Bhelen. Like i said before, i don't care what epilogue say. Epilogue is just want to ****** you off, making you regret with your choices and BS.

Just because YOU couldn't sense the darkspawn doesn't mean others couldn't...I always knew where they were!
And so did Alistair because he went charging ahead after them!

Modifié par SRWill64, 18 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[SRWill64]

Niza wrote...

SRWill64 wrote...
You are wrong on all points about Alistair except the one about how much he talks about Duncan....the only father he really ever knew. It shows your ignorance by saying these things about such a sensitive and caring man....a woman might have done things differently but he also knows his fellow countrymen wouldn't allow him to keep power and do EVERYTHING he wanted to do.
It was a stretch for them to accept having an elven representative from the Alienage to have a position in court so the elves would have a voice. They wouldn't accept an elven queen, even if she was given a teynir and declared noble...it just wouldn't work. Politics are politics, after all. Even in Ferelden.
And if you don't think a one night stand can produce a baby, ask all the unwed teen moms who said, 'But it was only one time!' It happens more than you would ever guess. Besides.....magic was involved. I'm sure that would boost the odds considerably. If only one is tainted the chances are a lot better of conceiving than it would be if both are tainted. That fact was made clear by Mr. Gaider in The Calling. And again reiterated in the game, if you choose the correct pathways.
And, again...if you choose the right pathways, Alistair reveals a LOT about himself....A LOT.

No you are generalizing. Think of it...

1. Alistair is the senior grey Warden here and he is a man. After Tower of Ishal he is demoralized completely. Afterward HE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Female main character is a new recruit for just one night. What the hell this new recruit, and a woman, know how to handle everything. She don't even know anything about being a grey Warden. But Alistair  give all the burden on her shoulder. Is that a responsible man will do?

2. He making much claims such as Grey Warden can sense dark spawn and have certain way in defeat them. Boasting about Grey Warden in which it is totally NOT TRUE. He is a liar or a programmer forgot to add "Grey Warden Specialization" after the Joining. In either way, he is a liar. Then he said Grey Warden only can live for 30 years...suck.

3. Whatever is written in the epilogue is actually BS, because Alistair character and attitude didn't show that he will become a good king and loved by everyone. He maybe a good man i mean not an evil man, but he is not a good king. He cannot make descision...it is the female Warden decision all the time and he follow. Is that kind of a man will become a good king and not get poisoned like Lord Harrowmont?

4. He talk about Duncan too much, yes we know how he miss Duncan, and Duncan is everything to him. But Elissa Cousland LOST EVERYTHING! Her mom, dad, brother, family, home, land, title....and Alistair only care about Duncan...he NEVER ask about the female Warden feeling (if play as Human Noble). He want to be cared, but he don't care...

5. Alistair is not the man worth to romance with. He earn no respect and earn no "approval" from me. He only care about what he want and femaleWarden must respect him but do he care what the female Warden want? Not only that she have no choice and live only for 30 years, have tainted blood, have to handle everyone affair....cannot have a baby with him, must allow him to sex with Morrigan to save everyone and avoid making choice to sacrifice self or anyone...the world fate is on her shoulder, must gain alliance and unite ferelden, involve self in dangers and someone else politics....what Alistair do? "I don't want to be a king..."

What is "right path way"? No right pathway!

No, about pregnancy, like i said to have a baby in one night stand requires a very healthy woman and man, it is a luck (or unluck). My brother didn't get baby for 2 years in his marriage, but my sister just got a baby now 7 month old after one year marriage. So a CONFIRMED got a baby in Morrigan ritual with only one shot is BS. No matter if want to justifed with magic or what, getting a baby is biological, not magic.

So, Grey Warden couple cannot have baby is alo BS. No relation between tainted blood with sperm and ovum. The only possible thing is the child is tainted, thats all. But cannot concieve a child is totally BS.

If want to talk about DAO universe, how Brood Mother breeding? Isn't Brood Mothers are humanoid female being force fed with dark spawn flesh???? Still they are breeding. What justify Grey Warden couple cannot breed?

EDIT :

Carth Onasi in KotOR is far better than Alistair. And i respect him although he is just a character in a game.

Sounds to me like you are down with your own sex believing that a woman cannot lead...I can't believe I can still find sexist prejudice in this day and age....especially in a woman! That puts one strike against you in my book!
Brood mothers were created using a particular type of ceremony and magic as well....it required an emissary to make one. Grey Wardens don't use magic to increase their chances of conceiving and they don't use magic to ensure that the child will make it through the entire 9 months of pregnancy in a tainted body. If they did it would likely increase the chances of more Grey Warden children...but why would they do that when they are supposed to give their children up?
And I don't LIKE KOTOR. I tried it and I don't like the game or the game style....it bugs me.
Alistair is a sweet, kind, sensitive man and I wish I could find someone more like him in RL...he was a great and loyal friend and, for the female warden, a sweet and compassionate lover. He also had respect and consideration for those around him! Something that I see lacking in a lot of places, including this forum, starting with the insults you throw at these characters and the people who like them!
And I happen to LIKE Duncan, too!
Furthermore, Alistair is a LOT like his father, King Maric, who was loved by the people as well....even though he let Rowan make a lot of the decisions and lead Ferelden. A good king need not do anything at all but to be a figurehead for the one who is truely in charge...fact that is found throughout various places in Earth's own history. Maric had a certain charm about him that Cailan seemed to lack and Alistair had....the Landsmeet supports him almost exclusively if you talk to the right people before the Landsmeet. I have seen it happen. That's because he was Maric's son and they could see it all over him...his looks and his easy charm. He could also stand up and speak for himself, if he is hardened byt that time. He makes a wonderful king, unlike Harrowmont. Bhelen (sp?) was much better a king for Orzammar...murderer or not. That I agree with.
Morrigan's ritual was part biological and part magic. SHe used magic to be sure that she concieved a son....what she wanted...and she did give birth to a son, confirmed in the DLC Witch Hunt, and again by Flemeth in DA2. Morrigan has to prepare him for the world that is to come because things are going to change....evidently drastically. Darkspawn are probably going to take over at least a part of the world....it's going to be a wonderful day in the neighborhood, folks. Bioware is going to take us for a ride....

[Qis]

@KBomb

I compare with Carth because Alistair is actually "Carth Onasi" in DAO, no matter how Alistair fan try to deny but the fact is, Alistair is the clone of Carth Onasi. He have the same role that is a guy who accompany main character from the beginning that can be romanced by female player. Alistair is the worst version of Carth. His jokes are not funny and annoying, not like Carth. He also lack "emotional hits" not like Carth. You can simply give him gifts and then just agree with him, he give you the rose and you fell in bed with him...so cheap. Yes he will reject you first, but second time no prob at all. Unlike Carth, the player must seek the key in which make him have emotional entanglement and the player can only achieve to "grab" him in the late game.

No, as a senior Grey Warden, there is no justification to leave all responsibility to a new recruit. Yes he talk a bit about Grey Warden and Duncan, and suggest to meet the Arl first but it is nothing useful and give no impact to the game and your decision. Unlike Carth who will argue with your decision, either you continue or not is up to you. And there are effect on your relationship with him.

It didn't happen to Alistair. You can happily killing peoples or doing bad things and you only suffer some disapproval point sometimes. If you have high approval points and a lot of gifts it is a no problem. You only need to manage your gifts and dialogues.

Of course i expect to much about sensing dark spawn because Grey Warden things have been exaggeratedly propagated and it turn out to be not true. Like i said if the enemy is not dark spawn we do have similar dialogues such as "enemy approaching!" or "do not waste our supplies!". The truth is, no matter what, we don't sense any dark spawn or any enemy if we don't have Survival skill.

It is sex ritual. Period.

I am okay with it because i didn't romance Alistair in my first playthrough ending, simply because i hate him. But with persuasion i manage to become a queen. I don't feel anything actually with the ritual. But i do read on You Tube and other sites many female players got angry with it...so not only I who complaint about it.

It is not fair for female players.

Modifié par Niza, 18 avril 2011 - 10:08 .

[Qis]

@SRWill64

Do i say "women cannot lead"? What i say is, Alistair is not a gentlemen. And i compare him with Carth Onasi. Alistair character is suck. Period.

As a woman, no matter how high we are in a rank in any organization, we want a man to be a man. Not a spoil guy who love to whine and exam liability and then leaving everything to us. Even though we are the boss, we want a man who can challenge us and that will gain our respect. It is psychological. Especially when involve in romance and emotional relationship. Yes we are the boss but we want you to check on us and support...or else become our toys...

So, in my view on Alistair character, he is just like a spoil high school guy. Unreasonable, cannot be given any responsibility, no security, weak, immature, we cannot depend on him, can't be a good father and surely no girl/woman want to pregnant his child...or maybe some girl who have social and mental problem maybe got pregnant by him...

He cannot be a good leader and in human history, a guy like him who become a king...the kingdom will fall soon. There will be a revolt led by opportunists or someone in the court will topple him...and he likely to get poisoned.


The epilogue is bull crap.

Modifié par Niza, 18 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[KBomb]

Niza wrote...

@SRWill64

Do i say "women cannot lead"? What i say is, Alistair is not a gentlemen. And i compare him with Carth Onasi. Alistair character is suck. Period.

As a woman, no matter how high we are in a rank in any organization, we want a man to be a man. Not a spoil guy who love to whine and exam liability and then leaving everything to us. Even though we are the boss, we want a man who can challenge us and that will gain our respect. It is psychological. Especially when involve in romance and emotional relationship. Yes we are the boss but we want you to check on us and support...or else become our toys...

So, in my view on Alistair character, he is just like a spoil high school guy. Unreasonable, cannot be given any responsibility, no security, weak, immature, we cannot depend on him, can't be a good father and surely no girl/woman want to pregnant his child...or maybe some girl who have social and mental problem maybe got pregnant by him...

He cannot be a good leader and in human history, a guy like him who become a king...the kingdom will fall soon. There will be a revolt led by opportunists or someone in the court will topple him...and he likely to get poisoned.


The epilogue is bull crap.

Good lord, I do not even know what to say about this. Please do not speak for all women. You do us all a great injustice. You seem to have a very odd opinion on what makes a man and what a man should be. I don’t see myself as a “boss” in my relationship. I see myself as an equal. I don’t need a man to make decisions for me, or take the lead. I certainly don’t want a man to be a “toy”.


You obviously don’t like Alistair because he didn’t fall at your feet, nor take command of you like the manly man he should have been. You saw him as weak sauce because you had to make all the decisions. You, the one who was actually playing a game about making all the decisions. My advice to you: Do not romance Alistair. Do not make him King. Go romance Carth.

[Qis]

I didn't say "boss in relationship'. I say "boss in organization". My statement after ward is about women boss in organization who have romantic relationship with lower rank man.

Yup, that is what i do. I didn't romance Alistair. But i become her queen because i want to protect him. And i consider it is a payment for all the troubles i going through. Alistair feel weird with my request, he come into the room and say that he is shocked because we are just friend and suddenly got engaged, and then babling about getting baby together...

When go for Morrigan sex ritual, i say "Your wildest dream come true ; sex with Morrigan". He don't mind about it. i don't mind about it too. And nothing actually if choose joke dialogue. He and Morrigan making jokes before sex. We are all friends.

I even thank Morrigan after that : "I want to talk about last night...thanks for everything...", she nearly cry...or look like want to cry...

After kill Archdemon after his coronation, Alistair making joke about his demon baby.
Me and Morrigan are good friend . All companions have 80-100 (Friendly). Alistir +95 ..Leliana accidenly +100 (Love), but automatic broke up after i become a queen, and  she didn't mind about it. Didn't change approval either and become a very good friend. (i don't know how it become (Love) instead of (Friend), i reject her many times)

Modifié par Niza, 23 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[XTR3M3]

I don't really mind Alistair but I do want to palm slap the back of his head like Gibbs does to DiNozzo on the TV show NCIS. I would have to agree with Kbomb about relationships. I would much rather be an equal partner with my wife then some kind of chauvinistic "leader". I want a life partner not someone from an escort service.

I have to disagree with Carth = Alistair. Just because they are the primary romance options that you meet first in a BioWare game doesn't make them the same at all. I could relate to Carth but Alistair was a sniveling, complaining 13 year old in a man's body. At least Carth acted like a man. Could you see Carth agreeing to the Morrigan Dark Ritual? Not a chance. Why not just go all the way ridiculous and say Bastila = Leliana or Wynne too?

[Qis]

Bastila = Morrigan and in fact the voice come from the same person whoever she is...Leliana is Mission Vao grown up. Wayne is that Jedi master in KotOR 2 i don't remember her name but good side version or female version of Jolee Bindo in KotOR1. Sten is that Mandalorian guy, Canderous, in KotOR 1. Zevran is un-funny version of HK47 the assasin robot. Sandal is TM34 utility robot.

I compare Carth to Alistair to show Carth is better written and have a better character than Alistair. Carth is excellent for romance while Alistair is not worth the time.

Yup i agree with you, Alistair is 13 year old boy in a man body. i would give him a Pommel Strike at his head for his bad jokes.

Modifié par Niza, 20 avril 2011 - 06:09 .

[SRWill64]

Niza wrote...

@SRWill64

Do i say "women cannot lead"? What i say is, Alistair is not a gentlemen. And i compare him with Carth Onasi. Alistair character is suck. Period.

As a woman, no matter how high we are in a rank in any organization, we want a man to be a man. Not a spoil guy who love to whine and exam liability and then leaving everything to us. Even though we are the boss, we want a man who can challenge us and that will gain our respect. It is psychological. Especially when involve in romance and emotional relationship. Yes we are the boss but we want you to check on us and support...or else become our toys...

So, in my view on Alistair character, he is just like a spoil high school guy. Unreasonable, cannot be given any responsibility, no security, weak, immature, we cannot depend on him, can't be a good father and surely no girl/woman want to pregnant his child...or maybe some girl who have social and mental problem maybe got pregnant by him...

He cannot be a good leader and in human history, a guy like him who become a king...the kingdom will fall soon. There will be a revolt led by opportunists or someone in the court will topple him...and he likely to get poisoned.


The epilogue is bull crap.

You can't be serious about this. You talk about psychology but know nothing of the subject. I happen to know a few psychologists who play this game and they say Alistair is insecure because he has to make choices but has no practice....all his life his choices were made for him. Let's see you get into the first car you ever owned and drive down the highway with no instruction and see how scared you are. It's the same type of situation. Life is a frightening thing when you don't know what the future holds. Yet you don't allow Alistair to be human like the rest of us are. He is going to make mistakes and maybe he would like a good leader to learn from, like the Warden, so that he can be a leader by the time the responsibilty is forced on him. He didn't really want to be king. That's a lot of other people's lives in your hands. That is a huge burden and one I wouldn't want! The fact that he steps forward and accepts it anyway says volumes about his character. And, yes, he has to learn along the way, but he is willing to listen to the people around him who know about leadership and court. He tries and so you condemn him for not having been raised for the role. And you don't believe the story that Bioware and Mr. Gaider tell, though it is their story. Oh well, then...if you don't like the book don't read the story! Just don't complain about it to the rest of us who DO like it!

Modifié par SRWill64, 20 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[Qis]

What make a different with the female new recruit warden condition? Not only she just seeing someone got killed because don't want to drink a cup of blood, then fighting monsters and giant, then nearly got killed in a tower...suddenly her senior put all responsibility on her, and then the world fate on her shoulder.

The excuse is "i don't want to be a king because i cannot make a decision about someone life", Alistair the one who boasts about sacrifices right? Now where all his rubbish talking? He don't want to take a sacrifice by holding responsibility and doing something he don't want to, how come he expect someone else doing sacrifice for him or anything?

Is that kind of a guy you want to sex with? hell no...no way...

Is that a guy who will become a good king loved by his people? He will become a puppet of opportunists on his weakness. He is not a candidate for "a good king".

Modifié par Niza, 20 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[errant_knight]

I had a big rebuttal, but it was eaten by the internet, so I'll just note that thousands disagree with you entirely, as do the end slides and his appearance in DA2. Bad breakup, was it?

[Qis]

well, the conclusion is, Alistair is suck...bad written, bad character, everything is bad about him. don't know why people like him.

Female players don't have any good choice in the game regarding romance...either choose a total jerk or someone who try to kill you in the past in which a total illogical choice ever....or become a lesbian.

So, i choose not to have romance at all, not worth it.

[Snowbug]

Niza wrote...

well, the conclusion is, Alistair is suck...bad written, bad character, everything is bad about him. don't know why people like him.

Because we think he is a brilliant character.

[TMZuk]

I like Alistair.

He's a whiner, I agree. [edited for spoilers] He's inscure, sobby and often annoying. He's also very funny, his banter with Morrigan is awesome, and basicly he is a good guy.

In short, he is a multi-facetted character with appealing and unappealing traits. What makes a believable character. All my characters has held a different view on him, just as they have on Duncan.

So OP, I find your criticizm silly. It's an RPG. And if your CHARACTER don't like him, YOU should appreciate that he is written and designed in a manner that can make you upset and annoyed.

Alistair is my number four favourite companion in the game. I find Morrigan, Shale and Zevran more intriguing, the rest less. Wynne is the only one that I don't like. [edited for spoilers]  All the others have something to offer, roleplaywise.

Modifié par TMZuk, 23 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[Qis]

Snowbug wrote...

Niza wrote...

well, the conclusion is, Alistair is suck...bad written, bad character, everything is bad about him. don't know why people like him.

Because we think he is a brilliant character.

Why must we romance Alistair anyway? Are we lack of guys to hit on? Bann Teagan is okay what...if only i can hit on him...i like it when he say "Nobody tell him what to do! nobody! Ha ha ha"  so cute.....

Modifié par Niza, 21 avril 2011 - 11:21 .

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I accept no goddamn excuses for him dumping the Warden like a hot potato if he becomes king. Is he not the goddamned king? Can he not do whatever he wants? Kings can't be re-elected. And if the Warden has to be "noble" can't he just give her a noble title? Make her a bann or something and then marry her. Hed do that if he actually loved the Warden, not just say "Sorry but your dirt veins not good enough for my royal **** anymore, but thanks for the sex!!! bye bye skank!!!"

He's a p*ssy. He, as he admits himself, prefers to follow rather than lead. He does'nt like confrontation or standing up for himself.
Unless you harden his attitude.
And when you do, he does just what you say he should: whatever he wants. He still keeps you on because "nobody can tell a King what to do".

Suspicious that you claim to hate him, but obviously romanced him and wanted to marry him. Hmm.


I agree with the noblity thing though. Doesn't he make you a noble if you ask him to in the end anyway? Why can't he marry you then? The noble blood is not a problem for you, seen as it's possible to put the queen on the throne despite her being criticised for no royal blood.

[Register]

There is a "no spoilers" tag on the board for a reason. Sooooo many spoilers here.

[Qis]

Believe me, the game goes well without romancing anyone...we still can be a queen. Romance Alistair or not we still have to give him to Morrigan and she is a confirmed to conceive Alistair child....or we must choose who is going to die. Suck, really...

But to reduce the suckness in the end if want to romance him, just friend with him with high approval from begining to the end...then become the queen, then send him to Morrigan, don't say that ritual will produce child, choose joke/funny option...so it is nothing really...Leliana will say "he will learn to love you..."...well it is okay...

and spoiler...in epilogue, Alistair be a good king and he let you to do anything you want as you please as you wish, he give a total freedom to you as the queen of Ferelden :-)

For Human Noble of course...

* there are a lot of spoilers already.....

Modifié par Niza, 22 avril 2011 - 06:24 .

[TMZuk]

Register wrote...

There is a "no spoilers" tag on the board for a reason. Sooooo many spoilers here.

You are right. Sorry. Edited my post.

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I somehow stumbled upon this and just had to chime in and say Niza makes excellent points(if a wee bit difficult to understand). I can believe the lot of you don't see what she means, especially with the "darkspawn sensing" Somehow I never noticed before she brought it up; but not only is the exclamation something your character says upon encountering anything, she/he already did that before drinking the blood. (which brings up another point of how exactly the warden knows what it is on first seeing darkspawn) and like she said you have the invisible darkspawn that can't be avoided even when they noisily ANNOUNCE their arrival (and how the hell do rogues turn invisible)

SRWill64 you just trapped yourself with the first time driver thing and what Niza meant was you seem to be describing the situation the player is faced with when Alistair refuses to guide you at all. haha "killed because don't want to drink a cup of blood" why couldn't Duncan just let poor Jory run home. I mean it's ridiculous I dunno if it's a game mechanic limitation or what but even after Duncan says Alistair will show you where to retrieve the scrolls he just stands there when we get to the Korcari wilds. Peace out.

p.s. so apparently alistair only knew duncan for 6 months! I agree no one wants to be an all out crybaby but no one seems to really care about the warden's problems lol. Probably because they didn't want to have dialogue for all the origins' different misfortunes. I couldn't even go find Fergus! The one time Alistair takes control, or was it Morrigan?


Edit: Ooo yea I forgot to say I have to disagree on his sense of humour though Niza. I love Alistair probably because he is the most consistenly funny character in the whole game:happy: "You're some kind of ...stumble for words... Sneaky Witch Thief!" It's the delivery man, Steve Valentine has got to be my fav voice actor.

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 12 juin 2011 - 08:33 .