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[Apollo Starflare]

As it's only supposed to be months post ME2 I would speculate that the Normandy hasn't been in Alliance hands that long. Most likely Joker and any other crew they might be bringing back will be held somewhere and you can free them on your way out. In fact it might be that Joker/Chakwas etc. are in the same area the trial is being held because they are expected to be giving statements or something. Very curious as to what will have happened to EDI though.

[JukeFrog]

bald man in a boat wrote...

First - why the f*ck am I on trial when I'm no longer an Alliance soldier. I'm a Spectre.

Well, the way I see it, you're a human before you're a spectre. You're being tried as a human being, not an Alliance soldier or a spectre, which may explain why the trial is being held on Earth as opposed to Arcturus Station or the Citadel. Just my two cents.

[HBC Dresden]

Yeah, how the story plays out regarding the Alliance's holding of the SR-2 may ****** us off. All I want is to get my crew back, including EDI. And if there is any BS by the Alliance, the opportunity to get revenge.

[Thargorichiban]

It could be worse: the Alliance/Citadel could have allowed the Batarians to extradite you to Batarian space for trial.

[SalsaDMA]

JukeFrog wrote...

bald man in a boat wrote...

First - why the f*ck am I on trial when I'm no longer an Alliance soldier. I'm a Spectre.

Well, the way I see it, you're a human before you're a spectre. You're being tried as a human being, not an Alliance soldier or a spectre, which may explain why the trial is being held on Earth as opposed to Arcturus Station or the Citadel. Just my two cents.

Doesn't matter.

He's a spectre. Only the council has jurisdiction over him unless you want to go to war with the citadel.

Hackett telling a spectre he'll be trialed by an alliance tribunal without even consulting the council is akin to declaring the Alliance is no longer part of the citadel.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 15 avril 2011 - 07:51 .

[Almostfaceman]

SalsaDMA wrote...

JukeFrog wrote...

bald man in a boat wrote...

First - why the f*ck am I on trial when I'm no longer an Alliance soldier. I'm a Spectre.

Well, the way I see it, you're a human before you're a spectre. You're being tried as a human being, not an Alliance soldier or a spectre, which may explain why the trial is being held on Earth as opposed to Arcturus Station or the Citadel. Just my two cents.

Doesn't matter.

He's a spectre. Only the council has jurisdiction over him unless you want to go to war with the citadel.

Hackett telling a spectre he'll be trialed by an alliance tribunal without even consulting the council is akin to declaring the Alliance is no longer part of the citadel.

Nah, it's simply being an old wise Admiral who knows "the way things work".  He's been around "the system" long enough to know what's coming down the bureaucratic pipe for Shep.  He's reading the tea leaves.

[Skilled Seeker]

The Cerberus logo on the ship is that of one of their cover organizations (forgot which). So actually it doesn't stand out as most people don't know Cerberus and those who do certainly don't know that they sport said logo, hence the point of having cover organizations in the first place.

[Dean_the_Young]

If you're not a Spectre what you did is criminal.

If you are a Spectre, what you did makes you a Rogue Spectre and is still criminal.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Being a Spectre doesn't give you the right to kill hundreds of thousands of people for a reason no one believes in and then just walk away.

[Frostmourne86]

But apparently being a Spectre gives you the right to do favors for a "non-biased" entity like the Shadow Broker - like bomb a company full of innocent people to kill 1 single person.
Right...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Frostmourne86 wrote...

But apparently being a Spectre gives you the right to do favors for a "non-biased" entity like the Shadow Broker - like bomb a company full of innocent people to kill 1 single person.
Right...

We never hear the aftermath of Vasir's actions, so that example cannot be used.

[bald man in a boat]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you are a Spectre, what you did makes you a Rogue Spectre and is still criminal.

No. Batarians are not a council race. It makes me nothing but thorough.

And just to point something else out: How does anybody even know that I went and did that? Hackett said this was an off the radar mission. I sure as hell didn't give any orders to my crew to send reports off to the Alliance or the Council. Lastly, how are they going to prove it? The system is gone. No evidence. Zip. I toss that report and they've got nothing.

The Alliance declared me dead, as a Spectre I answer to nobody except the council. I owe humanity nothing, least of all an explanation.

*Edit* This steaming pile of plothole could've very, very easily been avoided by some simple dialogue choices during the last conversation with Hackett.

Example 1A-

Hackett: Somebody is going to want answers for the destruction of an entire system.
Shep: *Paragon* Here, take my report. When this mission is over, I'll be there to face the music.
Hackett: You're pretty groovy Sheperd.
                                                                      OR
Hackett: Somebody is going to want answers for the destruction of an entire system.
Shep:*Renegade* F@ck you Admiral. They can all blow me.
Hackett: You're a dick and I'm telling on you!

Modifié par bald man in a boat, 15 avril 2011 - 09:26 .

[Khran1505]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I could see EDI using something like the Shepard VI as a mask of sorts to hide behind so it's not readily apparent she's an AI.

You're a freaking genius!

[eye basher]

you do know that the alliance has an AI of there own besides technically the normandy is alliance after all the SR-2 was built using the original blueprints but then again it was cerberus who told the alliance to make the normandy class in the first place.

[OmegaJudgement]

If you got the Shepard VI from the Citadel, he/she covers for EDI when the Systems Alliance has control over the Normandy SR-2, If you don't, you get some more dialogue to incriminate Shepard but all amounts to nothing when Shepard breaks out.

If the trial takes place in England, as suggested by the trailer, then it's a short journey for Gabby and Ken to visit Scotland, so they'll be there eating haggis or whatnot.

Everyone else, non-alien, service person of the Normandy SR-2 are imprisoned for being Cerberus personnel, no matter their involvement of the Batarian case. Kasumi and Zaeed have sneaked off.

[Alpha-Centuri]

bald man in a boat wrote...

And just to point something else out: How does anybody even know that I went and did that? Hackett said this was an off the radar mission. I sure as hell didn't give any orders to my crew to send reports off to the Alliance or the Council. Lastly, how are they going to prove it? The system is gone. No evidence. Zip. I toss that report and they've got nothing.

Did you forget the last part of Arrival? A shuttle, possibly filled with 10+ people left minutes before you could signal joker to pick you up. Considering the only Mass Effect jump was to Sol, they are more than likely the evidence in which you speak of.

Not paying attention doesn't make it a plothole [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 15 avril 2011 - 09:45 .

[bald man in a boat]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Did you forget the last part of Arrival? A shuttle, possibly filled with 10+ people left minutes before you could signal joker to pick you up. Considering the only Mass Effect jump was to Sol, they are more than likely the evidence in which you speak of.

Not paying attention doesn't make it a plothole [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Did you forget that those shuttles are possibly filled with 10+ indoctrinated  people who are directly responsible for creating the project in the first place?

Not paying attention still makes it a plothole. 

[didymos1120]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...
 Considering the only Mass Effect jump was to Sol, they are more than likely the evidence in which you speak of.

Not paying attention doesn't make it a plothole [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Whereever did you acquire this notion that Sol was the only possible destination?  Read the Codex on the Alpha Relay: it's a secondary, not a primary, and one with greatly-enhanced range to boot.

[didymos1120]

bald man in a boat wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you are a Spectre, what you did makes you a Rogue Spectre and is still criminal.

No. Batarians are not a council race.

That's completely irrelevant. They're more than capable of making a lot of trouble, of the sort where people in Council space die in large numbers, and the Council damn well will care about that.  In Ash's terms: Shep's the Council's dog.  They will throw you to the batarian bear.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 avril 2011 - 10:16 .

[eye basher]

the alpha relay could be recofigured to lead to 16 other relays or the citadel itself.

[bald man in a boat]

didymos1120 wrote...

That's completely irrelevant. They're more than capable of making a lot of trouble, of the sort where people in Council space die in large numbers, and the Council damn well will care about that.

Not irrelevant. Was the Council looking to put the Quarians on trial for the Geth, who made a lot of trouble in Citadel space? Further more, how does the Council know what Shepard did? Why are they not putting Shepard on trial?

Modifié par bald man in a boat, 15 avril 2011 - 10:20 .

[Praetor Knight]

Just have to say that the "ai" flip of Alliance, in the title and OP, are bugging me...





And maybe Joker can get get himself at least the Heavy Bone and Muscle Weaves for himself. The Medi-gel conduits should improve his quality of life immensely.

CastonFolarus wrote...

EDI is a special case, since she is actually a part of the ship. But then again, the Alliance might have regulations against letting an AI on board the ship. Have they removed her? Is that possible?

I too wonder what will happen to EDI, with what we know about how AI's work, and her integrating into the Normandy.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 15 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...
 Considering the only Mass Effect jump was to Sol, they are more than likely the evidence in which you speak of.

Not paying attention doesn't make it a plothole [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Whereever did you acquire this notion that Sol was the only possible destination?  Read the Codex on the Alpha Relay: it's a secondary, not a primary, and one with greatly-enhanced range to boot.

Thanks for the correction.

bald man in a boat wrote...

Did you forget that those shuttles are possibly filled with 10+ indoctrinated  people who are directly responsible for creating the project in the first place?

Not paying attention still makes it a plothole. 

I think you can lie in the Mass Effect world. The fact they are directly responsible is irrelevent. For all we know, they will be at the trial spouting lie after lie.

Maybe I missed something with the indoctrination, but I think there are few things that I'm not exactly sure about. Can indoctrinated people act "normal"? Looking at Saren,Kenson, and Benezia, i'd say yes, especially for Saren since he fooled the council. If so, it makes what I said above more likely.

Also, the enemy crew was trying to PREVENT you from blowing up the mass relay. For all the rest of the council knows, it was an exploration/experiment base. You say they are indoctrinated, but it looks like they were the ones trying to save 300 thousand plus lives. If you look at it from outside Shepherd's eyes and in the eyes of the world, the case isn't as compelling as you make it seem.

You pressed the button to head the asteroid to the mass effect. They were trying to stop you from doing so. You can yell "Reapers wanted them to!" all you want, but only you and a small number of others believe in the Reapers. You'd sound like a religious nut, even though you ARE right.

They can testify against you saying its your fault and they weren't apart of it. And they'd be correct. 

edit: Just think about it... How does this sound?

Shepherd: Those are the guys you want. I saved everyone from the reapers!

Object Rho Crewman: You infiltrated our base, killed our crew, set us on a crash course that killed 300 thousand sentient beings!

Shepherd: You are indoctrinated! You know that was the only way to delay the Reapers!

Judge: The Councilor Velarn told us you'd say this. Ah yes... "Reapers". If anything, they were doing the galaxy a service, trying to prevent a rogue spectre from destroying an entire system. You, are a blight on the galaxy. 

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 15 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[bald man in a boat]

So in the short amount of time that there was between Shepard suddenly waking up and the relay being destroyed, the people who were working on the Project somehow gathered up a bunch of evidence that incriminates Shepard and exonerates themselves of any involvement?

Then they managed to get to the Alliance with said fictional "evidence" and hand it over before Hackett comes aboard the Normandy to talk?

Sorry, but they can testify that it's my fault and they weren't part of it. And they'd be full of sh!t.

[Alpha-Centuri]

And they'd be full of sh!t

I never said we are convicted, but a case is a case, and its not so definitive as you point out. I maintain that it isn't a plothole if what I said happens (Its of course unlikely to happen, but still.)