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[huntrrz]

One thing: when the indoctrinated Project survivors try to implicate Shepard, someone should quietly ask, "HOW did he set an asteroid on a collision course with a mass relay? It takes MONTHS to set up a power plant and engines big enough to do that!"

("Uh... We were GOING to do it, but changed our minds...") Literally true, but doesn't do a whole lot for their credibility. A good lawyer would eat them alive on cross-examination.

[Ahriman]

I wonder how the hell did Alliance get Normandy?  Even Paragons didn't promise anything more than come to Earth.

AI is illegal and it's impossible to hide those quantum boxes, but Tricia already confirmed that EDI will be in ME3. I'm confused. 
Cerberus crew will be dissolved by Alliance, their crimes are minimal but there is absolutely no reason to hold them together near the ship (yes, 'variables' are also involved).

Anyway it will be interesting to see refreshed Normandy.

[O Tucker]

I don't think they will get rid of the cerberus crew as in the first game it was shepards team of mainly aliens ( Garrus, Wrex, Tali and Liara ) who stop Saren and the Reapors from returning and the Allaince still did not like them. I think the allaince will listern to shepard of what team is the best as the reapors are on earth so i don't think the allaince will care whoes on shepards team as long they stop the reapors

Also i believe the Cerberus crew will follow you anywhere as you saved them from the collectors and they say they don't know much about cerberus it self but thye have followed you and know you well and they trust you ( if you get them some food and brandy ) so i would think they could leave cerberus and may not join the Allaince but just join shepard.

Am not sure what could happen to Miranda and Jacob as they are Cerberuses right hand men.. mind you Jacob used to be in the Allaince so they may let him back but Miranda has been in Cerberus most of her life...but in my play through she was my Romance so she trust me more than if she was jsut loyal.. also she left Cerberus in mine as well as she wanted to destroy the base as i did as i don't trust T.I.M. Also i think even the allaince will see the benifit of mirandas skills.

Also with EDI i think Joker would stick up for her..its IT! DAMIT anyway EDI was bloody helpful in ME2 and i think we will need her in ME3 also after you pull out her safty features she says the she has anti reapor weapons that cerberus recovered from the remains of sovereign so i think even the allaince will see the benefits with that.

But overall i think shepard would just gather his team as he is leaving earth and won't care what the allaince thinks as they are putting him on trial for stopping the reapors and oh yeah..... THE REAPORS ARE HERE!!!

Modifié par O Tucker, 16 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[SalsaDMA]

didymos1120 wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

My Shep is still a Spectre. So your point only stands in a small number of people's playthroughs.

Blowing up a star system, not to mention trashing a relay (which is quite literally unheard of), is pretty extreme, Commander.  The Council will drop your ass like a bad habit for that.  They'd do so for far, far less, if they though it was a good move politically.

First there needs to be a hearing or tribunal WITH THE COUNCIL where enough evidence are shown to convince them of this. Then, and ONLY THEN can people start talking about the council maybe revoking his spectre status.

Untill then, any claim of being able to put him for a tribunal anywhere else than the citadel and in front of anything but the council is so much mouthwash. Which includes Hackett in Arrival.

[Tinywolf]

It seems that ppls are forgetting that the alliance is part of the council, hell in some cases the alliance is the council.

[SalsaDMA]

Tinywolf wrote...

It seems that ppls are forgetting that the alliance is part of the council, hell in some cases the alliance is the council.

That's a funny statement.

'Being part of' does not constitute 'dictating to'.

It seems you have forgotten what 'being part of' actually means.

[Badpie]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Tinywolf wrote...

It seems that ppls are forgetting that the alliance is part of the council, hell in some cases the alliance is the council.

That's a funny statement.

'Being part of' does not constitute 'dictating to'.

It seems you have forgotten what 'being part of' actually means.

I don't think this is actually true (unless I'm wrong).  I thought the Council itself was independent of all the different groups.  They don't dictate what the Alliance (or Turian fleet,etc) does but all they all seem to tip toe around the Council's wishes.  Politics.  Bleh.

I mean technically Anderson isn't really with the Alliance anymore is he?  If he's Councilor?  I dunno.

[Amagoi]

I normally don't have a problem with the Alliance, aside from my dislike of Admiral Hackett and the fact he needs Shepard to do everything for him. But I don't see how the Alliance thinks they have any right to confiscate the Normandy. The SR2 was made from blueprints stolen from the Alliance, and then Shepard stole it fair and square from Cerberus.

[CheesesackIII]

We really don't know enough to start accusing the Alliance of 'stealing' the SR2, or saying that the trial being on Earth and not with the Council is a plot hole. For all we know it will be explained in ME3, so you can't start bashing the game before it's even released. We also don't know that the Alliance won't willingly give the SR2 back to Shepard. It's quite possible they'll be like "Here, we were working on some upgrades, but now that the Reapers are attacking and you're our only real hope, by all means, take it."

[SalsaDMA]

CheesesackIII wrote...

We really don't know enough to start accusing the Alliance of 'stealing' the SR2, or saying that the trial being on Earth and not with the Council is a plot hole. For all we know it will be explained in ME3, so you can't start bashing the game before it's even released. We also don't know that the Alliance won't willingly give the SR2 back to Shepard. It's quite possible they'll be like "Here, we were working on some upgrades, but now that the Reapers are attacking and you're our only real hope, by all means, take it."

The problem is a DLC called Arrival that already outlined some things before it was technically possible (Ie. telling a COUNCIL spectre that he was to be judged by an ALLIANCE tribunal without even having mentioned the council might have something to say about such a thing)

[KenKenpachi]

Acording to ME Wiki and GI Edi, and joker will still be in your crew. Heck maybe Edi is that samurai/ninja looking robot in the magazine.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 16 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[ExtremeOne]

CheesesackIII wrote...

We really don't know enough to start accusing the Alliance of 'stealing' the SR2, or saying that the trial being on Earth and not with the Council is a plot hole. For all we know it will be explained in ME3, so you can't start bashing the game before it's even released. We also don't know that the Alliance won't willingly give the SR2 back to Shepard. It's quite possible they'll be like "Here, we were working on some upgrades, but now that the Reapers are attacking and you're our only real hope, by all means, take it."

  


I am sorry but the way arrival dlc plays out and that piece of garbage Hacket can come on borad the Normandy with no problem and act as if he owns the ship with his stupid comment of I am not so sure this is a Cerberus ship anymore garbage. Bioware made it clear in the GI article that The alliance has basically stolen the Normanday SR 2 from Shepard and tore it apart and studied it.  This is bull crap and Bioware needs to answer for this lame excuse of a 3rd game.  

[ExtremeOne]

O Tucker wrote...

I don't think they will get rid of the cerberus crew as in the first game it was shepards team of mainly aliens ( Garrus, Wrex, Tali and Liara ) who stop Saren and the Reapors from returning and the Allaince still did not like them. I think the allaince will listern to shepard of what team is the best as the reapors are on earth so i don't think the allaince will care whoes on shepards team as long they stop the reapors

Also i believe the Cerberus crew will follow you anywhere as you saved them from the collectors and they say they don't know much about cerberus it self but thye have followed you and know you well and they trust you ( if you get them some food and brandy ) so i would think they could leave cerberus and may not join the Allaince but just join shepard.

Am not sure what could happen to Miranda and Jacob as they are Cerberuses right hand men.. mind you Jacob used to be in the Allaince so they may let him back but Miranda has been in Cerberus most of her life...but in my play through she was my Romance so she trust me more than if she was jsut loyal.. also she left Cerberus in mine as well as she wanted to destroy the base as i did as i don't trust T.I.M. Also i think even the allaince will see the benifit of mirandas skills.

Also with EDI i think Joker would stick up for her..its IT! DAMIT anyway EDI was bloody helpful in ME2 and i think we will need her in ME3 also after you pull out her safty features she says the she has anti reapor weapons that cerberus recovered from the remains of sovereign so i think even the allaince will see the benefits with that.

But overall i think shepard would just gather his team as he is leaving earth and won't care what the allaince thinks as they are putting him on trial for stopping the reapors and oh yeah..... THE REAPORS ARE HERE!!!

  




If Bioware screws us Cerberus fans anymore and does not have Miranda Lawson in ME 3 then every piece of Allaince garbage will die at the hands of My Shepard. 

[Ultai]

ExtremeOne wrote...

O Tucker wrote...

I don't think they will get rid of the cerberus crew as in the first game it was shepards team of mainly aliens ( Garrus, Wrex, Tali and Liara ) who stop Saren and the Reapors from returning and the Allaince still did not like them. I think the allaince will listern to shepard of what team is the best as the reapors are on earth so i don't think the allaince will care whoes on shepards team as long they stop the reapors

Also i believe the Cerberus crew will follow you anywhere as you saved them from the collectors and they say they don't know much about cerberus it self but thye have followed you and know you well and they trust you ( if you get them some food and brandy ) so i would think they could leave cerberus and may not join the Allaince but just join shepard.

Am not sure what could happen to Miranda and Jacob as they are Cerberuses right hand men.. mind you Jacob used to be in the Allaince so they may let him back but Miranda has been in Cerberus most of her life...but in my play through she was my Romance so she trust me more than if she was jsut loyal.. also she left Cerberus in mine as well as she wanted to destroy the base as i did as i don't trust T.I.M. Also i think even the allaince will see the benifit of mirandas skills.

Also with EDI i think Joker would stick up for her..its IT! DAMIT anyway EDI was bloody helpful in ME2 and i think we will need her in ME3 also after you pull out her safty features she says the she has anti reapor weapons that cerberus recovered from the remains of sovereign so i think even the allaince will see the benefits with that.

But overall i think shepard would just gather his team as he is leaving earth and won't care what the allaince thinks as they are putting him on trial for stopping the reapors and oh yeah..... THE REAPORS ARE HERE!!!

  




If Bioware screws us Cerberus fans anymore and does not have Miranda Lawson in ME 3 then every piece of Allaince garbage will die at the hands of My Shepard. 

Unlikely the devs will give you that chance.  Shep is not a sith lord

[ExtremeOne]

Ultai wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

O Tucker wrote...

I don't think they will get rid of the cerberus crew as in the first game it was shepards team of mainly aliens ( Garrus, Wrex, Tali and Liara ) who stop Saren and the Reapors from returning and the Allaince still did not like them. I think the allaince will listern to shepard of what team is the best as the reapors are on earth so i don't think the allaince will care whoes on shepards team as long they stop the reapors

Also i believe the Cerberus crew will follow you anywhere as you saved them from the collectors and they say they don't know much about cerberus it self but thye have followed you and know you well and they trust you ( if you get them some food and brandy ) so i would think they could leave cerberus and may not join the Allaince but just join shepard.

Am not sure what could happen to Miranda and Jacob as they are Cerberuses right hand men.. mind you Jacob used to be in the Allaince so they may let him back but Miranda has been in Cerberus most of her life...but in my play through she was my Romance so she trust me more than if she was jsut loyal.. also she left Cerberus in mine as well as she wanted to destroy the base as i did as i don't trust T.I.M. Also i think even the allaince will see the benifit of mirandas skills.

Also with EDI i think Joker would stick up for her..its IT! DAMIT anyway EDI was bloody helpful in ME2 and i think we will need her in ME3 also after you pull out her safty features she says the she has anti reapor weapons that cerberus recovered from the remains of sovereign so i think even the allaince will see the benefits with that.

But overall i think shepard would just gather his team as he is leaving earth and won't care what the allaince thinks as they are putting him on trial for stopping the reapors and oh yeah..... THE REAPORS ARE HERE!!!

  




If Bioware screws us Cerberus fans anymore and does not have Miranda Lawson in ME 3 then every piece of Allaince garbage will die at the hands of My Shepard. 

Unlikely the devs will give you that chance.  Shep is not a sith lord

 



thats ok if they don't then My Shepard will just allow The Reapers to destroy the Galaxy even in death My Shepard will not let the Alliance win.  

[008Zulu]

I don't think Shep is either Alliance or Cerberus anymore (Alliance declared him dead, dead men can't server and Shep quit Cerberus). More of an independent contractor now.

From the conversations gathered in game, Joker and Dr Chakwas quit the Alliance. All the Cerberus personnel have likely been declared rogue and have had bounties put on their heads.

Not really sure you can actually call it a trial, if joining Cerberus were really a crime then the Council would have thrown you in to their version of Gitmo or Samara would have flattened you or the cops on Illium and/or the Flotilla would have arrested you. At best it would be a formal inquiry over the events in Arrival.

Since no one really cares about Batarians, Shep will get off with a warning.

Modifié par 008Zulu, 16 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[The BS Police]

008Zulu wrote...

I don't think Shep is either Alliance or Cerberus anymore (Alliance declared him dead, dead men can't server and Shep quit Cerberus). More of an independent contractor now.

Just because you were declared dead does not mean you are relieved of duty when they find out you are alive two years later.

[Nathan Redgrave]

It's obvious that the first priority will be to get those damn ugly Cerberus logos off the walls.

[ExtremeOne]

The BS Police wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

I don't think Shep is either Alliance or Cerberus anymore (Alliance declared him dead, dead men can't server and Shep quit Cerberus). More of an independent contractor now.

Just because you were declared dead does not mean you are relieved of duty when they find out you are alive two years later.

  



oh yeah a group that does not give a crap about Shepard declares him or her dead and now all of a sudden they can treat Shepard like garbage in ME 3 when in ME 2 they really did not care at all. its a joke 

[Darth Death]

Well, most of the Cerberus crew worked for the Alliance previously, so who knows. Maybe the Alliance will have a change of heart? As for EDI....

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

thats ok if they don't then My Shepard will just allow The Reapers to destroy the Galaxy even in death My Shepard will not let the Alliance win.  

That's both amazingly grandiose and astoundingly petty.  Also: just save yourself the effort and don't play the game.

[Ultai]

That's the usual drivel that he posts, I remember ExtremeOne and haven't seen him posting for awhile. Usually it's about killing alliance or making them suffer or killing Ashley/Kaiden for some offense they've done against him.

[Lvl20DM]

The way GI and Arrival describes it, is sounds like Shepherd might actually turn himself in and even allow the Alliance to inspect/improve the SR-2. The GI article doesn't even use the world "trial", it says "inquiry". Sounds much less formal. Heck, the Council might even be involved with the inquiry, perhaps even dispatching a Spectre for that purpose.

If Shep turns the SR-2 over willingly (grudgingly?), then it could be that most of the crew and the SM squad leave before that, perhaps on Shep's orders. They could be arrested - particularly considering that some of them (Jack, for example) are actually wanted fugitives prior to ME2. It would stand to reason that Shepherd would want them not to suffer the consequences of the decision to go to Earth. I can't help but that think that some crew (namely Chakwas and Joker) will stay on the SR-2 regardless. The Alliance would probably be keenly interested in EDI. While AI's are illegal, she has a vast amount of knowledge regarding Shep's mission and Cerberus. Plus, she's supposed to be advanced/experimental.

[didymos1120]

Ultai wrote...

That's the usual drivel that he posts, I remember ExtremeOne and haven't seen him posting for awhile. Usually it's about killing alliance or making them suffer or killing Ashley/Kaiden for some offense they've done against him.

Well, they don't think Cerberus is the bestest thing EVAR in the history of EVAR, and they had the temerity to question Shep's judgment because s/he's working with them.  So, obviously, they're scum who must be cleansed from existence.   I always wonder why Extreme doesn't get all bent at Miranda for quitting and/or not liking the "Keep the base" decision and demand her summary execution or whatever.  Rather hypocritical.

[bald man in a boat]

I think further speculation into this matter is pretty pointless. Basically, Bioware has a buttload of storytelling to do.

Unless it's handled properly, it will either:

A) Just be a glaring plothole
Be a plothole that was dealt with with a hamfisted handwave
C) Be a handwave
D) Turn out to be a nice piece of writing that makes sense for everyone

I really do think the opportunity was lost with Arrival. Some simple dialogue choices during the last conversation with Hackett could've made what happens going into ME3 make much more sense. For example:

Hackett: Somebody is going to want answers for the destruction of an entire system.
Shep: *Paragon* Here, take my report. When this mission is over, I'll be there to face the music.
Hackett: You're pretty groovy Sheperd.

OR

Hackett: Somebody is going to want answers for the destruction of an entire system.
Shep:*Renegade* F@ck you Admiral. They can all blow me.
Hackett: You're a dick and I'm telling on you!

The paragon choice results in Shep turning him/herself in. The renegade choice results in Shep getting arrested. ME3 reads the save file and the appropriate story unfolds from there. That didn't happen so all we can do now is wait and see.

Modifié par bald man in a boat, 17 avril 2011 - 04:19 .