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[GodWood]

Almostfaceman wrote...
So, I'll ask again, since you've failed to answer and you're cherry-picking which Anderson actions to judge...

So, Anderson getting shot and sent to prison on my behalf so I could go to Ilos - not equals helping save trillions of lives? Did Anderson help? Or not?  Easy question.

That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

[Almostfaceman]

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
So, I'll ask again, since you've failed to answer and you're cherry-picking which Anderson actions to judge...

So, Anderson getting shot and sent to prison on my behalf so I could go to Ilos - not equals helping save trillions of lives? Did Anderson help? Or not?  Easy question.

That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

Of course it does.

Plus, I've got people in this thread tellin' me Anderson didn't do anything wrong in Retribution.

[Zulu_DFA]

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
So, I'll ask again, since you've failed to answer and you're cherry-picking which Anderson actions to judge...

So, Anderson getting shot and sent to prison on my behalf so I could go to Ilos - not equals helping save trillions of lives? Did Anderson help? Or not?  Easy question.

That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

Actually, Anderson's actions in ME1 wasn't helping save trillions of lives at all:

What were the chances Saren could get that far, if Shepard stayed on the Citadel?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 05:05 .

[DTKT]

He's old.

He is going to slow me down.

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
So, I'll ask again, since you've failed to answer and you're cherry-picking which Anderson actions to judge...

So, Anderson getting shot and sent to prison on my behalf so I could go to Ilos - not equals helping save trillions of lives? Did Anderson help? Or not?  Easy question.

That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

Actually, Anderson's actions in ME1 wasn't helping save trillions of lives at all:

What were the chances Saren could get that far, if Shepard stayed on the Citadel?

Ah, now you're playing "what-if's" and in that realm - you can pretty much go anywhere.

Anderson helped Shep get to Ilos, from there Shep found out about the Conduit and got the data pad from Vigil to thwart Sovereign.  This data pad bought time to defeat Sovereign and hindered Sovereign from controlling the Citadel and bringing his buddies in.  That's what happened and those actions saved trillions of lives.

[GodWood]

Almostfaceman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

Of course it does.

Good deeds don't cancel out bad ones.

Plus, I've got people in this thread tellin' me Anderson didn't do anything wrong in Retribution.

And you've got others saying he did.
Don't pick and choose what you want to believe.

[Sajuro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I know, he endangered them when he created a Reaper Avatar to see what would happen without installing any failsafes....

There were failsafes, but Anderson and his turian buddies undid them.

I meant the head asplosion kind of failsafe.
Anyway, Anderson was the one who ended up killing the avatar when Kai Leng did the un-renegade thing back on the station by going to rescue TIM instead of killing the avatar, or at least trying.

[CroGamer002]

DTKT wrote...

He's old.

He is going to slow me down.

I guess he's too old for this sh*t as well.

[Almostfaceman]

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

Of course it does.

Good deeds don't cancel out bad ones.

Plus, I've got people in this thread tellin' me Anderson didn't do anything wrong in Retribution.

And you've got others saying he did.
Don't pick and choose what you want to believe.

I can pick and choose what I like, can you stop me?

And of course good deeds cancel out bad one's - otherwise Anderson would be swinging by a rope at the end of ME1 for committing treason the first time.  Were you howling for Anderson's blood at that point?

[Sajuro]

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
So, I'll ask again, since you've failed to answer and you're cherry-picking which Anderson actions to judge...

So, Anderson getting shot and sent to prison on my behalf so I could go to Ilos - not equals helping save trillions of lives? Did Anderson help? Or not?  Easy question.

That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place. Or will you start blaming him for all the people killed during that battle?

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Kai Leng did the un-renegade thing

That's because the renegades are actually paragons, while the paragons are just inept.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[Nashiktal]

After Anderson ruined everything I did for him by getting removed from the council, I don't know I even want him with me.

Anderson was one of the few people who could have helped shep. At this point, the only Allies shep has that have ANY sort of pull is Hackette, and at the moment there is not much he can do.

I mean... Anderson was on the COUNCIL! The reapers are about to invade, shep is being put on trial, Batarians are threatening war.... And Anderson throws away his responsibilities to run off with his girlfriend.

Yeah, **** off anderson.

[GodWood]

Almostfaceman wrote...
I can pick and choose what I like, can you stop me?

Well than there's no point discussing it if you're going to blindly follow one side without considering the other.

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Kai Leng did the un-renegade thing

That's because the renegades are actually paragons, while the paragons are just inept.

Last I checked, Renegades weren't the best of our kind nor were they famous dwarves.
Then again this is just getting into the "What will they name 'good' and 'evil' this time?" which really annoys me, but they did Mass Effect better than Jade Empire
poor Jade Empire

[Almostfaceman]

GodWood wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
I can pick and choose what I like, can you stop me?

Well than there's no point discussing it if you're going to blindly follow one side without considering the other.

So which side are you taking, because there's obviously two sides to this argument. Are you mad I'm not taking your side?

And, you didn't answer my other question.  Were you howling for Anderson's blood at the end of ME1 because he committed treason?

[GodWood]

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place.

One's past actions do not cancel out any major crimes committed afterwards.
Everyone is to be trialled equally.

[Nashiktal]

Look its not that I'm not thankful for what Anderson has done for us all. However abandoning his post as a council member right before the reaper invasion.... Its ****ing stupid. He is one of the few people in place that can facilitate any sort of organized movement against the reapers. Hell, that is one of the main reasons he is put on the council in the first place. Now he has left the council (if your paragon) in the hands of an anti-human Turian, and two other incompetent council members, not only that... but he lies too!

"I don't belong on the frontlines" my ass.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Kai Leng did the un-renegade thing

That's because the renegades are actually paragons, while the paragons are just inept.

That makes no sense.

[Sajuro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I meant the head asplosion kind of failsafe.

Something like that might have compromised the experiment. If Anderson and his turian buddies hadn't crashed the party Grayson would have been eliminated before he could become dangerous. He was hours away from death when the turians kicked in the door.

Thankfully TIM was able to get a handle on the situation and eliminate Grayson anyway.

if by get a hold of the situation you mean lie to Aria and have her mercs get killed and let Grayson escape Omega then go the Grissom Space Station  to let the Reapers learn all about the Alliance's biotics and if by eliminate him you mean have Kai Leng attempt to kill him and attempt to use a teenager to kill both him and Kahlee only for Anderson (who had just been subject to a burst of biotic bubbles by Grayson) kill Grayson with a shotgun and cripple Kai Leng's legs. Hell, the only reason he got away was because a teenager was bleeding to death: Cerberus quality assurance.

In fact, TIM created the whole situation because he had to go after Grayson who blackmailed him into to be able to leave Cerberus in vengeance and he had to be on the space station (presumably to do the troll face at Grayson) when he could have abducted someone at random who didn't have high level information on Cerberus and sat safely on his private space station with a big red button ready to blow the other station to hell just in case the failsafes failed and another Cerberus project managed to go horribly horribly wrong.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Marta Rio wrote...

Ah, the old "Anderson is an idiot/no he isn't" discussion.  Which really just boils down to whether you agree with Cerberus's methods or not. 

Anyways, I'm convinced that Anderson is going to at least be a temporary squadmate.  Why make a squadmate model for him to use as a "placeholder" if you're not going to use it in the game?  Especially when there are existing squadmate models that you could use as placeholders (e.g. Liara and Garrus, two confirmed squaddies).

I also think that Anderson is gonna die an unavoidable death early on in the game (possible good news Anderson haters!), for the sole reason of upping the tension for the rest of the game.  If a fairly major character like him were to die at the outset, that would suggest that anyone could die (and thus we will all be biting our fingernails until the final cutscene). 

Many developers do this to avoid revealing content they may wish to keep hidden or because they have yet to decide on who would fit into that specific story arc. Square Enix used Yuna, Rikku and Ashe frequently in FFXIII's early development despite none of them even being in the game whatsoever.

[Sajuro]

GodWood wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place.

One's past actions do not cancel out any major crimes committed afterwards.
Everyone is to be trialled equally.

Ignoring everything good He has done is not equal.

[Nashiktal]

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place.

One's past actions do not cancel out any major crimes committed afterwards.
Everyone is to be trialled equally.

Ignoring everything good He has done is not equal.

Ignore? No. But I am pretty damn pissed at him for endangering the galaxy. Him off the council is just one more factor to hurt us when the reapers come. 

How can you ignore this? This is a situation where the galaxy could be wiped from existance... and so he gets booted off the best place he could help? And for what? To go help his girlfriend? 

Modifié par Nashiktal, 15 avril 2011 - 05:44 .

[Almostfaceman]

Nashiktal wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place.

One's past actions do not cancel out any major crimes committed afterwards.
Everyone is to be trialled equally.

Ignoring everything good He has done is not equal.

Ignore? No. But I am pretty damn pissed at him for endangering the galaxy. Him off the council is just one more factor to hurt us when the reapers come. 

How can you ignore this? This is a situation where the galaxy could be wiped from existance... and so he gets booted off the best place he could help? And for what? To go help his girlfriend? 

I'm curious, what does the book say about him retiring from his post?

[Nashiktal]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That doesn't excuse his actions in Retribution.

just as his actions in Retribution do not discount that he helped Shepard get off the Citadel to go after Saren when no one else would and thus helped save the Galaxy allowing the battle of the citadel to even take place.

One's past actions do not cancel out any major crimes committed afterwards.
Everyone is to be trialled equally.

Ignoring everything good He has done is not equal.

Ignore? No. But I am pretty damn pissed at him for endangering the galaxy. Him off the council is just one more factor to hurt us when the reapers come. 

How can you ignore this? This is a situation where the galaxy could be wiped from existance... and so he gets booted off the best place he could help? And for what? To go help his girlfriend? 

I'm curious, what does the book say about him retiring from his post?

Did you not read the book? He resigned. Aside from that, he says in the book that his actions probaly would have gotten him fired anyways.

Oh, I also remembered another great nugget. He violated the treaty between the citadel and the terminous systems.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 15 avril 2011 - 06:05 .