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[Wulfram]

Him being under Shepard's command wouldn't make sense

[VolusNamedBob]

It would be nice, but he's in his autumn, probably hasn't been in ground combat for years.

Modifié par VolusNamedBob, 15 avril 2011 - 06:12 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

N085 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I know, he endangered them when he created a Reaper Avatar to see what would happen without installing any failsafes....

There were failsafes, but Anderson and his turian buddies undid them.

So having a reaper avatar running around is a good thing? Well i guess i'll let the reapers win in ME3 then lol.

The info obtained by Anderson and Kahlee when they autopsied Grayson may be the key to stopping the reapers in ME3

[Nashiktal]

Not to mention have Anderson available to get the stubborn council, and its military moving is more important.

Kahlee is a may sue. She would be able to take care of the silly grayson reaper by herself.

[DarthSliver]

If he is one, i am sure he will be one of the Temporary squadmates and yes i do think his role as a squadmate will be in the beginning. So its very possible he will be the first well known character to die from this Invasion

[darknoon5]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Kai Leng did the un-renegade thing

That's because the renegades are actually paragons, while the paragons are just inept.

What, inept like giving reaper tech to an extremist organization headed by a power-hungry tyrant who has proved himself completely untrustworthy?

(To clarify, I play a paragade and sometimes renegon, but in all but 2 playthroughs I blew the base. I can see the reasons for keeping it, but my problem is who ends up recieving it.)

[DxWill10]

The people who are going around calling Anderson a traitor are just cerberus fanbois. Majority of people (even those who have read the book) will agree that Anderson is intended to be one of Shepard's only true friends in the Alliance. If nothing else, it's easy to understand that given the portrayal of his character in ME1 and 2.

again - The only people who consider him a traitor are those who are singlemindedly devoted to Cerberus.  He is not a traitor in the mass effect universe.

Modifié par DxWill10, 15 avril 2011 - 07:05 .

[Nashiktal]

DxWill10 wrote...

The people who are going around calling Anderson a traitor are just cerberus fanbois. Majority of people (even those who have read the book) will agree that Anderson is intended to be one of Shepard's only true friends in the Alliance. If nothing else, it's easy to understand that given the portrayal of his character in ME1 and 2.

again - The only people who consider him a traitor are those who are singlemindedly devoted to Cerberus.  He is not a traitor in the mass effect universe.

Completely wrong. Anderson is a traitor. Shep set Anderson up into the council in hopes that Anderson would take his militiary experience, and apply it to helping the galaxy get ready to fight the reapers, and hopeful get humanity a more respectful appearence.

What does he do? He breaks the treaty that keeps the terminous systems from going to war with the council races, (which would endanger all the human colonies out there, including the colony that had half of its population taken by the collectors) resigns his position, in the process weakening both humanity, and cerberus (Say what you will about cerberus, they defeated the collectors) and strengthening the Turians against humanity. 

Why does he do all this? His girlfriend said so. Anderson is a ****ing traitor, and a fool who follows his hormones over his duty.

[Gabey5]

sure why not

[jbblue05]

Hopefully I can kill that treasonous bastard myself

[Nashiktal]

I probably wouldn't go that far, but I certainly would have trouble trusting him again.

[jbadm04]

Anderson endagered nothing. Cerberus is endagering anything all the time and justify it with "for humanity" (right). You should never forget, that the Collector have been dealt with when Retribution takes place and it becomes pretty clear, that TIM wanted this only solved to get his hands on Collector tech (the base). Or do anyone realy think Cerberus cares about humans who leave human space and pretty much dont care about the Alliance? If so, you should take some history lessons. Btw Cerberus is considered a terrorist organisation by the Council AND the Alliance, so going after Cerberus is no treason after all. Taking them out is NO treason. Doing so using an ally is valid, especialy if you know Cerberus infiltrated the Alliance. Actualy, this affects the GALACTIC community and not just the humans and Anderson is a councilor, so he answers to the council first and THEN to the alliance. Andersons actions in ME1 are more treason then anything he did in Retribution. What bugs me most is, that he left the council, most likely leaving Udina as the new councilor (great). I just hope I get to destroy this stupid organisation once and for all, btw, organisations like Cerberus are VERY "**** deutschland" like, I would think twice before symphatizing with them.

[Nashiktal]

jbadm04 wrote...

Anderson endagered nothing. Cerberus is endagering anything all the time and justify it with "for humanity" (right). You should never forget, that the Collector have been dealt with when Retribution takes place and it becomes pretty clear, that TIM wanted this only solved to get his hands on Collector tech (the base). Or do anyone realy think Cerberus cares about humans who leave human space and pretty much dont care about the Alliance? If so, you should take some history lessons. Btw Cerberus is considered a terrorist organisation by the Council AND the Alliance, so going after Cerberus is no treason after all. Taking them out is NO treason. Doing so using an ally is valid, especialy if you know Cerberus infiltrated the Alliance. Actualy, this affects the GALACTIC community and not just the humans and Anderson is a councilor, so he answers to the council first and THEN to the alliance. Andersons actions in ME1 are more treason then anything he did in Retribution. What bugs me most is, that he left the council, most likely leaving Udina as the new councilor (great). I just hope I get to destroy this stupid organisation once and for all, btw, organisations like Cerberus are VERY "**** deutschland" like, I would think twice before symphatizing with them.

Did you not read?

ANDERSON VIOLATED THE CITADEL CONVENTIONS! What does this mean? It means ANDERSON MIGHT HAVE CAUSED A WAR WITH THE TERMINOUS SYTEMS.

What does that mean? HUMAN COLONIES BECOME FAIR GAME TO THE TERMINOUS POWERS.

What does Anderson do next? HE RESIGNS. What does that mean? HUMANITY LOST THEIR HUMAN COUNCIL MEMBER, THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES IN THE REAPERS AT THAT. What does that mean? HUMANITY IS WEAKENED, and now only ONE alliance official believes in reapers and he can't do anything BECAUSE SHEP IS ON TRIAL.

[Lvl20DM]

I imagine those that are highly devoted to Cerberus will be disappointed with what seems to be a major plot-point in ME3.

The GI also has concept art of Andrerson in battlegear - further pointing toward the possibility if him joining the squad. Nearly all bioware games give you a temp squadmate that dies in the prologue, Anderson filling that role would be dramatic.

[Nashiktal]

Lvl20DM wrote...

I imagine those that are highly devoted to Cerberus will be disappointed with what seems to be a major plot-point in ME3.

The GI also has concept art of Andrerson in battlegear - further pointing toward the possibility if him joining the squad. Nearly all bioware games give you a temp squadmate that dies in the prologue, Anderson filling that role would be dramatic.

I don't care if he is a squadmate, all I want is the ability to call him out on his betrayal of shep's trust.

[Almostfaceman]

Nashiktal wrote...

jbadm04 wrote...

Anderson endagered nothing. Cerberus is endagering anything all the time and justify it with "for humanity" (right). You should never forget, that the Collector have been dealt with when Retribution takes place and it becomes pretty clear, that TIM wanted this only solved to get his hands on Collector tech (the base). Or do anyone realy think Cerberus cares about humans who leave human space and pretty much dont care about the Alliance? If so, you should take some history lessons. Btw Cerberus is considered a terrorist organisation by the Council AND the Alliance, so going after Cerberus is no treason after all. Taking them out is NO treason. Doing so using an ally is valid, especialy if you know Cerberus infiltrated the Alliance. Actualy, this affects the GALACTIC community and not just the humans and Anderson is a councilor, so he answers to the council first and THEN to the alliance. Andersons actions in ME1 are more treason then anything he did in Retribution. What bugs me most is, that he left the council, most likely leaving Udina as the new councilor (great). I just hope I get to destroy this stupid organisation once and for all, btw, organisations like Cerberus are VERY "**** deutschland" like, I would think twice before symphatizing with them.

Did you not read?

ANDERSON VIOLATED THE CITADEL CONVENTIONS! What does this mean? It means ANDERSON MIGHT HAVE CAUSED A WAR WITH THE TERMINOUS SYTEMS.

What does that mean? HUMAN COLONIES BECOME FAIR GAME TO THE TERMINOUS POWERS.

What does Anderson do next? HE RESIGNS. What does that mean? HUMANITY LOST THEIR HUMAN COUNCIL MEMBER, THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES IN THE REAPERS AT THAT. What does that mean? HUMANITY IS WEAKENED, and now only ONE alliance official believes in reapers and he can't do anything BECAUSE SHEP IS ON TRIAL.

Dude, calm down.  

Why...
So...
Serious?

[Vanaer]

Sorry no. Anderson is an old admiral. He just isn't cut for the job. Sure, he can pop a few heads during the first 'trial' mission, but let him be the Jenkins of that mission then. Just not waiting for Anderson as a permanent squad member... too old to be running around the galaxy gunning reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

GodWood wrote...

I'd rather Kai Leng

Same here. What Anderson did wasn't treason, but it was ultimately highly counterproductive, ill-timed, and in no way helpful for the greater threat to the galaxy.


Not that I wouldn't prefer Kai as a squadmate on the basis of skill and fitness anyway.

[Lapis Lazuli]

They seem to be a lot more civil at the beginning of the "Captain Anderson's Betrayal" thread

http://social.biowar...5/index/4910947

[Jzadek72]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Mind expanding on that, Saphra?

In Retribution Anderson betrayed the Systems Alliance, humanity, and the galaxy, by going after Cerberus. He did it all to save a petty criminal who Kahlee had a crush on. His actions were treasonous and frankly downright stupid. He was perfectly aware at the time that Cerberus was working to stop the Reapers (the only group in the galaxy trying to do so) and he still helped the turians to try and destroy him.

His actions weakened the Alliance, Cerberus, and damaged relations with the turians (whilst making the turians stronger).

No way in hell I want him on my team. I want him dead or locked up. He's a liability.

So you support loyalty, even if what you're loyal to is wrong?

[Dean_the_Young]

You presume he agrees it's wrong.

If there's any loyalty Anderson should be held to, it's the anti-Reaper effort.

[Nashiktal]

Which he weakened by getting himself off the council.

[Dean_the_Young]

Retribution was written on the pressumption that Anderson had never been on the Council in the first place.

There has been no material that has suggested, implied, or supported that Anderson ever stepped down from Councilor.

[KainrycKarr]

Saphra Deden wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Anderson? The man who faced treason already helping Shepard get away in ME1 and thus contributing to saving the galaxy from Sovereign? The man who has been working tirelessly to prepare people for the threat just as much as Cerberus? The man who DIDN'T compromise valuable intel in the novels that TIM did?

Did you even read the novels? Anderson is a buffoon.

Uh....did *you*?

[KainrycKarr]

I think a lot of people just think it's cool to side with the hardcore Cerberus, whilst also not having a total understanding of the term "treason".