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Not buying DA3 if Mike Laidlaw is still in the lead


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mdugger12 wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...

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Endless waves and chipping away giant hp bars is not fun it's  tedious.


You pretty much described the end of DA:O


I would like to disagree ... you can completly ignore all the enemies at the end of DA:O ... as well as archdemons hp bar isnt giant at all ...


Well you can disagree, but while you don't have to focus on the waves of enemies the archdemon's hp bar is long.  You guys need to stop pretending DA 2 is that much different than DA:O. It just makes you sound like you either didn't like the first one or you're just wanting to pile on.

Just don't try to involve actual fact.


It's not, but it is much more dynamic, you can use ballistas, call reinforcements, hold off defending darkspawn While you fight the archdemon, and not run around in a small room trying to avoid getting hit while the health potion is cooling down.

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mdugger12 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Endless waves and chipping away giant hp bars is not fun it's  tedious.


You pretty much described the end of DA:O


I got news for you, only at the of DA:O did we have endless waves. Hell at least various allies you recruited throughout the game would appear as well, and they came in through the door.

In DA2, you have WAVES IN EVERY SINGLE FIGHT AND THEY APPEAR OUT OF THIN AIR ALL AROUND YOU.
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I won't say I will not buy the game, but my pre-order days are over. I don't have much faith things will change for a 3rd game though.

I've heard Laidlaw too many times say stuff like I wanted, or I thought, way too many 'I's. He is obviously going to make the game based on things he likes and not on any feedback from gamers.

Also at the end of Dragon Age Origins the extra enemies were there to offset the 40-50 allies and kingdom leaders you had on your side.  They also came out doorways and didn't just fall from the sky, or appear out of thin air.

Modifié par Aaleel, 15 avril 2011 - 12:36 .


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If you really think one man can make or break a game you seriously need help.

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Siven80 wrote...

If you really think one man can make or break a game you seriously need help.


No, he doesn't. One person can break the game - if he has imprtoant position in the team. And we're talking about lead designer.

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The Dragon Age series with ML now in the Lead Developers seat seems to be all about what ML wants to play in a game and not about what was established (and working and people liked) in the first installment.

So with that in mind, if ML's name is attached to DA3 (and it probably will be) I will wait as long as it takes for it to hit the bargain bin on Steam or something before I spend (or think about) any money on anything else in the DA franchise.

Modifié par Slayer299, 15 avril 2011 - 12:44 .


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You know I never really cared or paid attention to game developers before, but from now one Mike Laidlaw is a name I will always look for an avoid at all cost. I will not forget what he did so DA.


Ditto for me.

I've never done this before, but following his replies in the last interviews, I'll have my eye out for his games and avoid buying them altogether.

At some point in life something has to give and someone must be held accountable for DA2's poor decision-making, and that's Mr Laidlaw.

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Miashi wrote...

As much as I didn't like DA:2 that much, this topic is garbage.
"I won't buy your game if dude x still works on it"
Guess what, this game wasn't the work of a single person, and even if there are more visible faces to the game than others, the game was a group decision.

And what if the decision to turn DA:2 into a more action-ish game was not his decision at all, but he was mandated to execute it? All it takes is someone with a vision that believes it hard enough to convince everyone else that they're right.


The majority of what Mike says in interviews boils down to this: I didn't like this, so I changed this to make the game I wanted.

I, I, I. Please, if it wasn't all his fault, he surely was a key player.

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The reason Mr. Laidlaw draws so much fire originates with the man himself.

No one expects him to trash DA 2, it's not even two month out of the gate and no DLC and/or Exp packs have been offered. They're a business, and a business wants to generate profit.

However, he opens himself up to ire and anger with his own statements. When he describes DA 2 and its features, phrases like "MY vision", "MY choices", "I wanted", "I decided" etc. pop up frequently. He states that a certain build in DA:O was "His personal peeve that he did away with in DA 2".
Thus, in many peoples mind, he is the one who had not only the final say-so, but had his hand in many areas of the game and its design.

He also does not need to show his intense hatred of DA:O so pointedly. In verbal and non-verbal communication. He is constantly bashing and trashing DA:O, and acts as if it is the worst piece of trash ever to grace the planet.

Mr. Laidlaw also needs to stop insulting the core fan base of RPG games. He does so in numerous ways, from "too old to accept change", to "too stupid to grasp anything but simple things." That is not good business. The first law in business should always be: "Don't trash a successful product that came out of our own stables" and "under no circumstances should you insult your most loyal customers, ever".

That last interview was a PR disaster imo. He should stop. He really should be stopped from giving interviews, he is not doing himself and bioware any favors. The more he talks the worse it gets. It almost seems as if he purposely offers himself up as a scapegoat, wanting to draw the ire and anger to himself alone.

I have nothing against the man. I never even met him, know nothing about him. But I am getting very annoyed by his interviews. Annoying me to the point of anger is quite hard, but he manages quite nicely.

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Sabriana wrote...

The reason Mr. Laidlaw draws so much fire originates with the man himself.

No one expects him to trash DA 2, it's not even two month out of the gate and no DLC and/or Exp packs have been offered. They're a business, and a business wants to generate profit.

However, he opens himself up to ire and anger with his own statements. When he describes DA 2 and its features, phrases like "MY vision", "MY choices", "I wanted", "I decided" etc. pop up frequently. He states that a certain build in DA:O was "His personal peeve that he did away with in DA 2".
Thus, in many peoples mind, he is the one who had not only the final say-so, but had his hand in many areas of the game and its design.

He also does not need to show his intense hatred of DA:O so pointedly. In verbal and non-verbal communication. He is constantly bashing and trashing DA:O, and acts as if it is the worst piece of trash ever to grace the planet.

Mr. Laidlaw also needs to stop insulting the core fan base of RPG games. He does so in numerous ways, from "too old to accept change", to "too stupid to grasp anything but simple things." That is not good business. The first law in business should always be: "Don't trash a successful product that came out of our own stables" and "under no circumstances should you insult your most loyal customers, ever".

That last interview was a PR disaster imo. He should stop. He really should be stopped from giving interviews, he is not doing himself and bioware any favors. The more he talks the worse it gets. It almost seems as if he purposely offers himself up as a scapegoat, wanting to draw the ire and anger to himself alone.

I have nothing against the man. I never even met him, know nothing about him. But I am getting very annoyed by his interviews. Annoying me to the point of anger is quite hard, but he manages quite nicely.


Yup, you have to give it to him, the guy has talent to set fans ablaze with everything he says.

His hatred for DA:O is so blatant in his every word: "I found this too slow, so I changed it", "I found this too boring so I removed it..." "I found the story/antagonist too complex so I.."and the list goes on and on.

DA:O was a success, both commercially and critically.

This man should have never been put in charge of a sequel to a game he clearly despises at every conceivable level, and pretty much everyone else loves. 

If it ain't broke Mike, don't fix it. Don't mess with your food plate.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 15 avril 2011 - 01:12 .


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Did he literally say stupid in an interview?

I hope they bring back class crossovers, sure Rogues and Warriors was a bit similiar, I just love it. that or it's possible to have a dual wielding Warriors who doesn't have to run aroundin plate.

Modifié par KennethAFTopp, 15 avril 2011 - 01:22 .


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warheadz ur sig is the best eva..me whorships..

why no laidlaw idiots?he was a lead designer for dao remember?one of the key people there too.and yes while i disliked da2 this doesnt mean that hes incompetent..gosh how unforgiving the masses turn out to be

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astreqwerty wrote...

warheadz ur sig is the best eva..me whorships..

why no laidlaw idiots?he was a lead designer for dao remember?one of the key people there too.and yes while i disliked da2 this doesnt mean that hes incompetent..gosh how unforgiving the masses turn out to be


Last I heard, he was in charge of the console port, and the DLC. Not exactly the best person to put in charge, especially when all he does is trash the first one and say how DA2 is the game "he wanted".

What about the fans? Why was the sequel made for people who complained about/hated the first one, and not for the people who actually liked it? It makes zero sense.

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Miashi wrote...

As much as I didn't like DA:2 that much, this topic is garbage.
"I won't buy your game if dude x still works on it"
Guess what, this game wasn't the work of a single person, and even if there are more visible faces to the game than others, the game was a group decision.

And what if the decision to turn DA:2 into a more action-ish game was not his decision at all, but he was mandated to execute it? All it takes is someone with a vision that believes it hard enough to convince everyone else that they're right.


qft

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Warheadz wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Warheadz wrote...
I was hoping that ME1's RPG mechanics would return for ME3.


What RPG mechanics are you talking about? Because there isn't many in ME.


Well, "RPG mechanics" might have been a wrong term, but ME 1 had weapon skills and skills and such. It was more RPG-ish in every sense, even with the ridiculous amounts of loot. But ME2's combat is purely shooter. There are only couple weapons, and at least I found almost all skills rather useless. I didn't even feel any sort of progression.
In my opinion, ME1's combat was RPG-shooter hybrid, while ME2's was mediocre shooter. I wish that they would have honed the hybrid-form rather than abandoning it and going for the pure shooter.


Well how about you go google ME3 game informer? Because weapon modding is coming back and more RPG elements. ME1 barely had anything to call it an rpg. Mass Effect didn't have mods for weapons but it was stil lbetter then ME1 in almost every way.

A lot of the skills/talents and stuff in ME1 felt like fillers it made sense cutting the level to 30 you may not like how it turned out but how does spending points to aim a weapon make sense when Shepard is trained as a marine?

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Marko GW wrote...

I really hope that they move him on some other project.

I don't want him fired, since I am not the kind of person that wishes bad things to other people. Although what he did with DA2 and the way he handles the interviews with bashing DA:O and dismissing everything that is not a praise for the game, certainly doesn't help his case.

All I am saying is that I most certainly will not be pre-ordering/buying if his name is in any way connected with DA3 other than "X replaces Mike Laidlaw as lead designer for DA3".

He simply has no respect for the criticism that comes from the audience that really loved DA:O and made the games a success.

There are some good things about DA3, and he has every right to feel good about them, but they are so few. He and the people responsible for this game would have gained so many points if they just acknowledged that DA2 is simply a dissapointment to many, other than "We hear you what you're saying but no... this is better".

Is that so hard? He who admits guilt, half is forgiven. (a saying from my country)



I find it amusing that people have to these "I'm not buying DA2 if Laidlaw is the lead" threads.  The fact is that nobody will really care if you buy the game and I doubt Bioware will be shaking in their boots.

We have a saying in my country to "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it at all".

As Laidlaw is guilty of nothing he doesn't to be forgiven B)

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Marko GW wrote...

Is that so hard? He who admits guilt, half is forgiven. (a saying from my country)

Why is it so hard for you guys to see that no developer will ever be critical of their game when its been out for only just over a month.

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Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

astreqwerty wrote...

warheadz ur sig is the best eva..me whorships..

why no laidlaw idiots?he was a lead designer for dao remember?one of the key people there too.and yes while i disliked da2 this doesnt mean that hes incompetent..gosh how unforgiving the masses turn out to be


Last I heard, he was in charge of the console port, and the DLC. Not exactly the best person to put in charge, especially when all he does is trash the first one and say how DA2 is the game "he wanted".

What about the fans? Why was the sequel made for people who complained about/hated the first one, and not for the people who actually liked it? It makes zero sense.


are you really so naive??they are expected to market their game the best they can.at the end of the day they want to retain their jobs. and please do not blame only laidlaw because hes not the only one to take it. and ive seen him trashing the game nowhere.sure what he does doesnt feel right but he has to because everybody compares da0 to da2 (inevitably) so he must somehow show that da2 is worth buying...

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What he says now really isn't that important. It's what he says during the development of Dragon Age 3 (if there's one, hopefully) that will reveal how he truly feels. He's not going to badmouth Dragon Age 2 not long after release.

Though I wish he'd lose the "it's brilliant and the fans don't get it because they are old and hate change" attitude. Makes him look arrogant and full of himself.

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simonc4175 wrote...



I find it amusing that people have to these "I'm not buying DA2 if Laidlaw is the lead" threads.  The fact is that nobody will really care if you buy the game and I doubt Bioware will be shaking in their boots.

We have a saying in my country to "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it at all".

As Laidlaw is guilty of nothing he doesn't to be forgiven B)


Don't be so sure that they don't care, if not for anything for future profit.

We must give our opinions otherwise nothing will change for the better.... and DA3 will get called DA: Laidlaw's Awesome Fade Assassins. They will apear out of thin air and this time with an excuse, since they come from the Fade... and they are awesome. FADE - ASSASINS - AWESOME connected now in DA3.

Indifference is the greatest cruelty.

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The ones ultimately responsible are the BIO docs. Getting rid of Laidlaw woudl change very little. The overarching goal for BIO would be the same. For good and ill, the docs are the one sin control. The good news is they really don't give a crap what you think of them.

Worst case scenario is BIO goes under and they get to retire with the builllion dollars EA paid them to puchase BIO. HA!

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I'm done with the dragon age series. Mike laidlaw had no idea where to take the story. There was so much more potential at the ending in DAO and Mike blew it. He doesn't know what his fans want and cant deliver. mike can talk the talk but he cant walk the walk. I'm done with the dragon age series as a whole because IMO they changed the game so much I don't even consider it to be the same game.

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Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

The majority of what Mike says in interviews boils down to this: I didn't like this, so I changed this to make the game I wanted.

I, I, I. Please, if it wasn't all his fault, he surely was a key player.


Except that he never says *I* in any interview I've read on decisions made on DA 2.

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I'll buy it only if the reviews from the fans tell me what I want to hear; that the majority of problems that I had in DA2 are fixed:
- waves greatly diminished
- branching plot lines with decisions that actually matter
- greatly immersive environments with minimal re-use of dungeons

There are many other lesser evils in DA2 (speaking to companions when I want to, customized armour for NPCs, exploding enemies, meth-speed combat, "junk", "thanks for the corpse serrah" quests, family not actively involved, lack of origins, lack of specializations meaning anything beyond new abilities, etc.) but if those big 3 changes are taken into account even if Laidlaw is at the helm I will buy.

I don't like the guy, and think he's kind of terrible at PR, but if he listens to us, I'll buy DA3. If he doesn't, then why would I? Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me.

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Well its a bit like the Movies from Uwe Boll.
Movies arent made from one Person alone. But if Uwe Boll is involved the movies are absolute Crap.
Most times he gets a HUGE amount of money for his movie Projekts.But they are just not very good.
Time will tell is Mike is the Uwe of Games. After DA2 it looks a bit like that.