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[Warheadz]

Everwarden wrote...

shantisands wrote...
  Strawmanning.      

For those that don't know, strawmanning is the practice of attacking your opponent's argument not by addressing the argument itself, but erecting an intentionally over-the-top, ridiculous version and then easily defeating the constructed argument (or straw man), appearing to have successfully made a case without actually having to address the true meat of the argument. 

Isn't that what Laidlaw's been doing in his interviews?

Oh sorry, I forgot, he made up facts and selectively read feedback.

Modifié par Warheadz, 15 avril 2011 - 04:44 .

[Everwarden]

Warheadz wrote...

Isn't that what Laidlaw's been doing in his interviews?

Oh sorry, I forgot, he made up facts and selectively read feedback.

It's ironic, isn't it? Yes. What Laidlaw is doing is a textbook example of strawmanning. 

[Warheadz]

It is? Guess I understood it correctly the first time then.

[AkiKishi]

Everwarden wrote...

shantisands wrote...
  Strawmanning.      

For those that don't know, strawmanning is the practice of attacking your opponent's argument not by addressing the argument itself, but erecting an intentionally over-the-top, ridiculous version and then easily defeating the constructed argument (or straw man), appearing to have successfully made a case without actually having to address the true meat of the argument. 

I thought he was Benard's cousin.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I agree with Sabriana's take on this. Even if you produce a bad product, you can't mock it or else it only hurts their sales and then they have to start firing people. Maybe several years from now we'll get a confession from some of the Devs about what a mishap DA 2 turned into but it sure won't come out any time soon if they value employment.

After reading or hearing several interviews I have become hesitant about Mr. Laidlaw's influence on future Bioware titles. Maybe he's just toting the company line, but as Lead Designer he did have a hand in alot of what went on in DA 2. In my opinion, his design choices, his decisions made and viewpoints on how the franchise should "evolve" have changed my impression of DA and Bioware's team on this title for the worse. I went from happily pre-ordering the collector's edition of Origins to not even bothering with the sequel after playing the demo numerous times, giving the offical game a try and finally watching an entire playthrough of the game to see if it would change my mind.

I'll keep an ear open to hear about developments of DA 3 but if Mr. Laidlaw is involved and has his way with it, then my expectations are rather low for the remainder of the series and I'm likely not buying future installments. Why buy something that isn't as robust and has less replayability than the first game? He's really redesigning the game into something else entirely and that's disheartening and also very bad design. Brand recognition is important, whether it is visual, playstyle, writing style, ect.

[Mecher3k]

Watchout Warheadz and Everwarden, bioware doesn't like it when you insult one of their lead designers. Even one that has no respect for the customer and is blunt about it in interviews.

Modifié par Mecher3k, 15 avril 2011 - 04:58 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

JohnEpler wrote...

I should also mention - strawmanning is also not acceptable behaviour.

And who will be the lucky guy who bans Mike Laidlaw then?

[LyndseyCousland]

I agree with the OP. I'm sure Mr Laidlaw would do a lot better on a different project as not everything about DA2 is terrible, it's more that it seems hijacked. Maybe let him have a go at a whole new game (you know, not a sequel).

Although, if the lead does change again it is possible that the fiasco will happen all over again and we'll get elves with ears in the middle of their foreheads and Qunari with tentacles erupting from their posteriors.

[Everwarden]

LyndseyCousland wrote...
Although, if the lead does change again it is possible that the fiasco will happen all over again and we'll get elves with ears in the middle of their foreheads and Qunari with tentacles erupting from their posteriors.

Solution: Beg Brent Knowles to return. 

[Warheadz]

Mecher3k wrote...

Watchout Warheadz and Everwarden, bioware doesn't like it when you insult one of their lead designers. Even one that has no respect for the customer and is blunt about it in interviews.

How did I insult him in any way? I stated a fact which can be proven. That isn't an insult.

[Alex Kershaw]

Agreed. He's probably an excellent lead designer, but he just isn't right for this franchise. Move him onto a different franchise which has a more action-orientated approach and let somebody who loves traditional story-driven and character-driven RPGs take over. His recent interviews are downright offensive to me as a lover of Origins and facepalm-worthy when you look at DA2's metacritic score.

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 15 avril 2011 - 05:12 .

[_Aine_]

Everwarden wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...
Although, if the lead does change again it is possible that the fiasco will happen all over again and we'll get elves with ears in the middle of their foreheads and Qunari with tentacles erupting from their posteriors.

Solution: Beg Brent Knowles to return. 

I had to google him also.  =)  Interesting blog the bloke has too.     

[AkiKishi]

Everwarden wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...
Although, if the lead does change again it is possible that the fiasco will happen all over again and we'll get elves with ears in the middle of their foreheads and Qunari with tentacles erupting from their posteriors.

Solution: Beg Brent Knowles to return. 

I think that would be the only way for DA3 to regain credibility.

[Tpiom]

He has interesting ideas but I'm not sure if them are meant for, an "older" series (you want things to remain what they are), such as Dragon Age.

Move him to Mass Effect or TOR - getting a new lead isn't a bad thing either

Modifié par Tpiom, 15 avril 2011 - 05:22 .

[Euno17]

One of the lead designers of DA:O left the project and the company due to the changes made for DA2. Can't say that I blame the person.in Mike's view (and I think he may be right) Faster game-play would have brought a bigger fan base had it not been for the lack of time. Many people would have not been complaining or perhaps not as loud if Mike and the team had time to fix the bugs and to not reuse many of the same levels.

Think about it guys - if you were Mike - what would you be saying to EA in defense to the poor sales? He'll say - look at the reused levels and the bugs. Mike will continue to lead the DA series for at-least one more title and now that the majority of the redesigning has been completed - they'll be able to add a-lot more content in DA 3.

Then again - DA2 might leave a bad-taste in people's mouth when it comes to purchasing DA 3. The bad reaction could be due to the association (of game mechanics etc) with DA 2. It will be interesting how EA/Bioware handles the DA franchise from here on out. Will they continue with the current ideals of stream-lining and bring about another game in 2 years? etc etc etc.

If DA 3 bombs - you can be rest assured that EA will drop the franchise all-together. They have been in red the last two years and can't afford for Bioware to develop un-marketable products on a broad scale.

Personally I won't be buying another DA product with Mike at the helm. Even if he isn't on the team - I'd wait till I had a-ton of information on hand before I throw my money to EA. Even seeing EA on ME 2 gets me a little sick to my stomach. I'll probably buy ME 3 just to end the series but won't be keen on buying Bioware products in the future.

Modifié par Euno17, 15 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[John Epler]

Mecher3k wrote...

Watchout Warheadz and Everwarden, bioware doesn't like it when you insult one of their lead designers. Even one that has no respect for the customer and is blunt about it in interviews.

If you feel the moderation has been unfair, by all means, let Chris Priestly know.

However, insulting others is not acceptable behaviour, regardless of whether they're developers or your fellow posters. I wasn't aware that this was a controversial notion. Though if you think this is an unfair and despotic edict, then I would suggest that, perhaps, these forums are not for you.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 15 avril 2011 - 05:33 .

[MorrigansLove]

Bioware has changed for the worst and we all know it.

[Turnip Root]

We need to start banning people for trashing Bioware games, fans, and employees. This is a forum for Bioware and it's fans and these haters can all burn in the 9th circle of Hell!

[Miashi]

Turnip Root wrote...

We need to start banning people for trashing Bioware games, fans, and employees. This is a forum for Bioware and it's fans and these haters can all burn in the 9th circle of Hell!

That's a big subjective. I am a fan of Bioware games but I feel it's necessary to recognize that DA:2 was a terrible game. HOWEVER I still believe this thread is pointless.

[Dragoonlordz]

mdugger12 wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Endless waves and chipping away giant hp bars is not fun it's  tedious.

You pretty much described the end of DA:O

I would like to disagree ... you can completly ignore all the enemies at the end of DA:O ... as well as archdemons hp bar isnt giant at all ...

Well you can disagree, but while you don't have to focus on the waves of enemies the archdemon's hp bar is long.  You guys need to stop pretending DA 2 is that much different than DA:O. It just makes you sound like you either didn't like the first one or you're just wanting to pile on.

Just don't try to involve actual fact.

DA2 every fight uses waves and every thing you fight against scales with you with an ever increasing HP bar.
DAO only the most major fights had reinforment tactics and even they didnt fly through the air like ninjas as well as the scaling was completley different, instead of the weakest mob getting uber strong they had uber strong different mobs to fight against as got stronger.

Don't call something the same when it is not.  

[Drogo45]

I love lamp.

[Everwarden]

Turnip Root wrote...

We need to start banning people for trashing Bioware games, fans, and employees. This is a forum for Bioware and it's fans and these haters can all burn in the 9th circle of Hell!

"We"? When did you become a moderator?

And you're wrong, this is a forum for discussing Dragon Age 2. Hence the forum being named "Dragon Age II General Discussion (No Spoilers allowed)" and not "Bioware Fanboy Happy Fun Forum (No Haters allowed)".
It just so happens that the majority of people don't have purely happy thoughts about DA2. Maybe Bioware should make a better game next time?