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[NamiraWilhelm]

More matured, and yet younger looking!

[SarEnyaDor]

It's the lyrium in the water

[Trapper_920]

I don't think he was creepy at all and I thought he didn't want to kill a mage either. I like him because he had a crush on my Warden.

The only time I got mad at him was when he took Beth away.

My Mage Hawke otherwise liked him and thought he simply just suffered from the psychological trauma from DAO. Something that time and experiences with good mages could take the edge off that trauma.

[Addai]

Saephy wrote...

Seem to recall Origins states, if the warden had failed her Harrowing it would mean she would have become an abomination.
That is when Cullen would have been forced to kill her, thus it´s not so creepy that he has feelings for her yet is willing to kill her as an abomination.
He does also state he would have felt terrible about it, and it does seem like he might not even have been capable of doing it had it happened.

As for killing someone who has become an abomination, Merrill asks the same of you during her "chat up the demon"-quest, and depending somewhat on how you view abominations, it could be seen as "mercy-killing" not unlike what Anders does to Karl.

Yeah but later when you meet him in the Tower he says "it's my duty to oppose all that you are."  It's the sort of romance like the gangster shows, where the devoted charming guy could turn around at any moment and run a sword of mercy through you.  So I guess that's romantic... on some level....  But, no thanks.   

[Herr Uhl]

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

In DA2.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

Tbh i didn't see much of reason to him until he gets the "noooooo, the Protagonist cannot be harmed!!1one" heel face turn at eleventh hour. And even that wasn't exactly reasonable in itself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

Tbh i didn't see much of reason to him until he gets the "noooooo, the Protagonist cannot be harmed!!1one" heel face turn at eleventh hour. And even that wasn't exactly reasonable in itself.

But in Act 2 (I think), he does express suspicion towards Meredith and questions whether what she is doing is in the Order's benefit or not. Though granted, that was just talk / thoughts and no action.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 15 avril 2011 - 04:34 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Though granted, that was just talk / thoughts and no action.

Indeed, when it comes to action he's much faster to beat the crap out of mages.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Though granted, that was just talk / thoughts and no action.

Indeed, when it comes to action he's much faster to beat the crap out of mages.

Except a potentially blood mage Hawke, of course

[tmp7704]

Well, at least he's consistent in his bias towards the safety of the PC ;s

Modifié par tmp7704, 15 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[Mayorin]

What bothers me the most about Cullen, is that he is a bloody Knight Captain, and his subordinates do whatever they please in the tower from abuse to rape. And he does what? Sunbathing in Gallows courtyard and chatting with Hawke about how these wicked mages don't like to be controlled.

[Shepard Lives]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

In DA2.

It says something about the Templar Order in Kirkwall that an insane Fereldan templar becomes the voice of reason when he moves to the Free Marches.

[phyreblade74]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Didn't he go crazy and kill apprentices at some point in origins?
I was totally creeped out by him having a crush on a female mage and being willing to run a sword through her at the same time.
could you imagine being a female mage stuck in the tower with this creepy eyes watching you all the time? eww.
Cullen=creepy stalker.

He cared enough about a mage that he stood on hand ready to save her from being possessed by a demon and corrupted beyond belief.  He was later captured and held prisoner over several days by mages-turned-abominations, tortured repeatedly, driven near crazy and utterly traumatized, yes.  No one I know of could've turned out from such an experience without looking askance at every single mage, wondering whether this time, this one would turn into a demonic-spawned abomination bent on ruin and destruction of innocents.  

It's to his credit he doesn't go all out bleeding nuts, and, rather, becomes a voice of reason asking the Champion to save whatever mages might be saved from Meredith's rage.  To me, he is utterly strong, to have overcome his own traumatic experience to become someone willing to fight alongside a mage against the madwoman bent on the destruction of every mage in Kirkwall.

[Camenae]

I like him because he is hot.

[Elessie]

I found him fascinating in Origins because he was the only templar locked in the tower who managed to hold out and not give in to the demons/blood mages. Guess I just found that really interesting.

I know some people see him as a stalker, but I don't really see templars in the tower as having all that much time to spend following mages around. Usually they seem to be at their posts when on duty, and off-duty they'd have no reason to be in the mage area. That's how the Fereldan Circle came across to me. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though.

[Addai]

Shepard Lives wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He was one of the few templars we meet that is reasonable.

In DA2.

It says something about the Templar Order in Kirkwall that an insane Fereldan templar becomes the voice of reason when he moves to the Free Marches.

Truth.  And let's bear in mind that Greagoir was sending him on a field trip precisely because of his zealotry.  Not that this was a brilliant plan, mind you.

[Addai]

Mayorin wrote...

What bothers me the most about Cullen, is that he is a bloody Knight Captain, and his subordinates do whatever they please in the tower from abuse to rape. And he does what? Sunbathing in Gallows courtyard and chatting with Hawke about how these wicked mages don't like to be controlled.

What pissed me off about talking to Cullen was every time you approached him, he said "you're the only mage in Kirkwall who would dare approach me so openly," in an arrogant tone.  But he doesn't have the balls to really take you on- just likes to remind you of your place.

[Maria Caliban]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Why do you like Cullen?

He's good-looking.

Also, he's the only sane Templar in the game that lives to the end.

[Caja]

For the sake of discussion I looked up the epilogue slide for Cullen in Origins. Here's what the  Dragon Age Wiki states:

"Cullen has little involvement in the Epilogue unless the Warden is a mage or the Warden sided with him during the outbreak of Abominations in the Circle Tower:

• If the Warden sided with Cullen, or was of Mage Origin and did not grant the Tower autonomy, then Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the Magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had.
  
• If the Warden was of Mage Origin and did not side with Cullen, and gives the Tower autonomy, he endures festering mental scars from his experience in the Tower. This leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills a number of Mage Apprentices before fleeing."

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Though granted, that was just talk / thoughts and no action.

Indeed, when it comes to action he's much faster to beat the crap out of mages.

He doesn't just beat the crap out of mages (and frankly, I think it's over the top to say he beats the crap out of them) . He interrogates his own people with the same determination. 
During the quest "Enemies among us" I first thought that he was much too harsh to another templar named Wilmod. But then Wilmod suddenly turned into a shade. Go figure .

Cullen seems cold because he is so strict, but come to think of it there is almost no innocent mage living in whole Kirkwall. Even Hawke's companions - apart from Bethany maybe - aren't really prime examples of "good" mages. And it's Cullen duty to monitor the mages in order to protect the residents of Kirkwall. He can't really afford to let some of them 'slip through the cracks'. You never know what might happen.

Mayorin wrote...

What bothers me the most about Cullen, is that he is a bloody Knight Captain, and his subordinates do whatever they please in the tower from abuse to rape. And he does what? Sunbathing in Gallows courtyard and chatting with Hawke about how these wicked mages don't like to be controlled.

 
This is something that Hawke learns from Anders and if I'm not mistaken Anders was referring to the mage-templar-situation as a whole. Anders claims that he was lucky because he got never raped, although this happened to others.

(Edited to add and because of layout)

Modifié par Caja, 15 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[Elessie]

Addai67 wrote...
What pissed me off about talking to Cullen was every time you approached him, he said "you're the only mage in Kirkwall who would dare approach me so openly," in an arrogant tone.  But he doesn't have the balls to really take you on- just likes to remind you of your place.

When does he say that?  Even with my super pro-mage Hawke all he says is "But surely you're the only mage in Kirkwall who can approach the knight-commander directly if you wished."

[Zyah.ftw]

Since my DA:O PC was of mage origin, I took a liking to Cullen. I think its the whole "forbidden" thing that got me. Plus he's not a bad guy just complex. He wants to do whats right, but also is commited to his duty as a templar. They don't always go hand in hand. And it doesn't hurt that he is one of the best looking NPC in DA:O and DA2.

[LT123]

I have fond memories of watching him sprint away from my mage PC. He creeped me out in Origins, but I thought it was pretty awesome when he stood up to Meredith at the end of DA2. And he wasn't as crazy as I expected him to be after what happened to him in Origins.

[Addai]

Elessie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
What pissed me off about talking to Cullen was every time you approached him, he said "you're the only mage in Kirkwall who would dare approach me so openly," in an arrogant tone.  But he doesn't have the balls to really take you on- just likes to remind you of your place.

When does he say that?  Even with my super pro-mage Hawke all he says is "But surely you're the only mage in Kirkwall who can approach the knight-commander directly if you wished."

That's the line.

[Mr.House]

Didn't care for him in DAO, but in DA2 I think he is an awesome character. He's sexy and he is what Templars should be like. He can sometimes be harsh but he has a good heart.