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[Ksandor]

Avanost
Mar 8, 201110

The immersion and combat of this game are unmatched! A truly moving and fun epic. Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference. For what it is, it is flawlessly executed and endlessly entertaining

http://www.metacriti...ii/user-reviews


Well what a wonderful way to wrap up everything . All who do not like or criticize the game like me, we are all... suckerssss! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] 

An employee or PR guy made this review (!) probably... But it sums up the fanboy viewpoint nicely. But if you don't want to bury your head in the sand please read the rest of the user reviews. And the review of the Wired. One of the most respected Tech magazines of U.S.

Modifié par Ksandor, 15 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[Bmeszaros]

In before the lock....

[Ksandor]

And this is why I do not try to criticize the game further here. I just wanted to point out that interesting review from Metacritic. So no comment. Except to encourage people to read other reviews.

Modifié par Ksandor, 15 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Lumikki]

In before lock,  old news..

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 avril 2011 - 12:20 .

[Rifneno]

ITT:  People with unpopular opinions are simply wrong. 

[Siven80]

Wow get with the times bud, old news

[Plaintiff]

Yes, if I like Dragon Age 2, I must have my 'head in the sand'. It's the only explanation. I mean honestly, when does the gaming community ever LIKE a product? That's right, never! God knows we're all such masochistic freaks that if we ever express approval for ANYTHING it must be because Gaider came around to our houses personally and hypnotized us with his eyebrows, Austin Powers style.

It's a Bioware conspiracy!

[ForeignPatriot]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, if I like Dragon Age 2, I must have my 'head in the sand'. It's the only explanation. I mean honestly, when does the gaming community ever LIKE a product? That's right, never! God knows we're all such masochistic freaks that if we ever express approval for ANYTHING it must be because Gaider came around to our houses personally and hypnotized us with his eyebrows, Austin Powers style.

It's a Bioware conspiracy!

Why do you have such a problem with other people not liking this game? In the other thread you are shooting people down for expressing their opinion yet you come here to smash yours all over the place.

A lot of people didn't like the game, for specific reasons, not simply out of spite. You can read the countless threads in this forum, read reviews from bloggers, look at sale figures, etc... 

ALL of this is evidence that there is some general discontent with the final product. If you feel like this is not the case, feel free to argue over the points people bring up to discredit the game, not make ridiculous generalizations over an entire demographic that involves SEVERAL age and ethnic groups and that had shown adamant support for certain production companies (BioWare for example) over the years because of the level of quality of their games.

[Plaintiff]

ForeignPatriot wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, if I like Dragon Age 2, I must have my 'head in the sand'. It's the only explanation. I mean honestly, when does the gaming community ever LIKE a product? That's right, never! God knows we're all such masochistic freaks that if we ever express approval for ANYTHING it must be because Gaider came around to our houses personally and hypnotized us with his eyebrows, Austin Powers style.

It's a Bioware conspiracy!

Why do you have such a problem with other people not liking this game? In the other thread you are shooting people down for expressing their opinion yet you come here to smash yours all over the place.

A lot of people didn't like the game, for specific reasons, not simply out of spite. You can read the countless threads in this forum, read reviews from bloggers, look at sale figures, etc... 

ALL of this is evidence that there is some general discontent with the final product. If you feel like this is not the case, feel free to argue over the points people bring up to discredit the game, not make ridiculous generalizations over an entire demographic that involves SEVERAL age and ethnic groups and that had shown adamant support for certain production companies (BioWare for example) over the years because of the level of quality of their games.

I've done nothing of the kind.

If someone makes a sweeping generalization about a demographic that includes me, I expect them to provide the evidence to back it up. As the one making the assertion, burden of proof is on them. I don't care if they hated the game, but if they're going to say everyone hates the game, they had damn well better have the evidence on hand. And I'm not talking about user reviews, I'm talking about unbiased, third-party sources.

I have not told anyone that their opinion is invalid, if anything, it is the other way around. Ksandor has in fact, pre-empted any dissenting opinions by saying that people who like the game, or disagree with his view "have their heads in the sand". If that's not a low blow, then I don't know what is.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[Danjaru]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, if I like Dragon Age 2, I must have my 'head in the sand'. It's the only explanation. I mean honestly, when does the gaming community ever LIKE a product? That's right, never! God knows we're all such masochistic freaks that if we ever express approval for ANYTHING it must be because Gaider came around to our houses personally and hypnotized us with his eyebrows, Austin Powers style.

It's a Bioware conspiracy!

There's plenty of games that the gaming community likes.

Dragon Age Origins being one of them. Which is one of the reasons many people dissaprove of Dragon Age 2, it doesn't measure up due to plenty of reasons.

There are always flaws in games. But if the final product is good enough it's generally approved by the public, which was the thing with DA:O, I have friends that didn't like it but due to the reason that "it wasn't their type of game" instead of "it sucks".

And if much of the fanbase itself is hating on Dragon Age 2, the problem doesn't lie in the fanbase but in the game.

Modifié par Danjaru, 15 avril 2011 - 12:58 .

[ForeignPatriot]

Plaintiff wrote...

ForeignPatriot wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, if I like Dragon Age 2, I must have my 'head in the sand'. It's the only explanation. I mean honestly, when does the gaming community ever LIKE a product? That's right, never! God knows we're all such masochistic freaks that if we ever express approval for ANYTHING it must be because Gaider came around to our houses personally and hypnotized us with his eyebrows, Austin Powers style.

It's a Bioware conspiracy!

Why do you have such a problem with other people not liking this game? In the other thread you are shooting people down for expressing their opinion yet you come here to smash yours all over the place.

A lot of people didn't like the game, for specific reasons, not simply out of spite. You can read the countless threads in this forum, read reviews from bloggers, look at sale figures, etc... 

ALL of this is evidence that there is some general discontent with the final product. If you feel like this is not the case, feel free to argue over the points people bring up to discredit the game, not make ridiculous generalizations over an entire demographic that involves SEVERAL age and ethnic groups and that had shown adamant support for certain production companies (BioWare for example) over the years because of the level of quality of their games.

I've done nothing of the kind.

If someone makes a sweeping generalization about a demographic that includes me, I expect them to provide the evidence to back it up. As the one making the assertion, burden of proof is on them.

I have not told anyone that their opinion is invalid, if anything, it is the other way around. Ksandor has in fact, pre-empted any dissenting opinions by saying that people who like the game "have their heads in the sand". If that's not a low blow, then I don't know what is.

I recommend you re-read the OP...

He is implying that, in his opinion, that particular review is malarkey and if you want to see "better" or more "well rounded" reviews about the game you should check out the other reviews he mentioned.

He didn't mean that if you like the game, you are ignorant. He meant that if you read such reviews you might get a skewed view of what the fanbase "thinks". 

And, like I said before. We use certain parameters to judge a game in this community. And most critical opinions will be judged by such parameters. Many people agree that this game falls short in several aspects and they HAVE provided evidence that apparently you choose to ignore.

I'm not trying to start a war here. I am simply letting you know that the evidence that you seek is plastered all over these boards. People are not just (well, not everyone anyway) coming on these boards and bashing the game based on nothing.

You are free to disagree but, hoping on threads like this and shooting down opinions without providing ANY backup evidence yourself is just as hypocritical as those who bash BioWare for no reason. Now, you might not think that's what you're doing but, that is certainly how it came across.

EDIT: messed up mah grammmar

Modifié par ForeignPatriot, 15 avril 2011 - 01:02 .

[Lumikki]

ForeignPatriot wrote...

Why do you have such a problem with other people not liking this game?

Okey, I go for this even if it's not ment for me.

Disliking the game is fine, even leaving constructive critism is excelent. How ever, spam topics in games forum how bad the game is or how others should not like it, just because you self don't like it, it's not fine.

Why?

Should I go in football forum to spam how much they game sucks, if I just happen to dislike it. There is different between leaving feedback and start spamming negative topics to prove your own dislike to others.

OP, was trying to point that this game isn't as good as other here let you know. How ever, showing link to totally opposite is not real NEUTRAL view point. So, OP did not try to do any good for anyone, he tryed to support his own dislike.

[ForeignPatriot]

Lumikki wrote...

ForeignPatriot wrote...

Why do you have such a problem with other people not liking this game?

Okey, I go for this even if it's not ment for me.

Disliking the game is fine, even leaving constructive critism is excelent. How ever, spam topics in games forum how bad the game is or how others should not like it, just because you self don't like it, it's not fine.

Why?

Should I go in football forum to spam how much they game sucks, if I just happen to dislike it. There is different between leaving feedback and start spamming negative topics to prove your own dislike to others.

OP, was trying to point that this game isn't as good as other here let you know. How ever, showing link to totally opposite is not real NEUTRAL view point. So, OP did not try to do any good for anyone, he tryed to support his own dislike.

It wasn't meant for you 

And I would actually agree with your point here. I just wish that both sides would stop the "reasonless" posting. That's why I said that responding right back with the same over generalizations and baseless assumptions is just as bad.

And I also understood this to be a bit of a humorous thread seeing as how EA has been accused in the past for "planting" good reviews in certain places. 

I'll admit, I haven't fully read the reviews he posted, I have my own opinion of the game and I don't need people telling me what they did wrong/right 

But, above I was just explaining his intent, not agreeing/disagreeing with him.

[Ksandor]

Actually if people can post messages indicating how much they like the game here other people can certainly post as many topics as they want to show their dislike. This is the official forum. Paying customers are entitled to post their opinion here. If this is spam then somebody can say that people who like the game also spam the boards. As for the link, Metacritic also contain many favorable reviews. I just provided the link. What are you afraid of? Let people decide by themselves. This is why I did not give my opinion here. Let people decide. They can form their own opinion by reading a site like Metacritic or even better by playing the game itself. But despite that if there are more dislike posts here than the like posts that should indicate something yes?

[Cutlass Jack]

This thread is weeks late to the party. Weeks and like 50 threads late.

[Lumikki]

No problem was not that you provided metacritic link. Problem was that you don't let other people decide, you did not provide any neural view point. Meaning also good, neutral and bad reviews. You just provided review what did fit in your dislike.

Also I disagree with you purpose of customer forums. You should be here to talk others about the game and give feedback for game developers. You should not be not here to try change anyone liking or disliking the game, because your own opinions.

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[Ksandor]

No I am here to express myself and I have every right to express my dislike and I have right to provide any review which supports my argument. This does not mean that I am actively trying to change others' opinions. Though I don't understand why I should not. I can say that people who like the game try to persuade other people to like the game. So what is wrong with that? Again what are you afraid of? But if somebody thinks that I am right after reading the reviews I indicated that is their choice. The Bioware employee did certainly try that. Besides I do not argue why I don't like the game here. I suggest you stop policing the boards to suppress people who dislike the game. You cannot accuse me of expressing my opinion for the fear of people changing their mind about the game. And incidently by saying that I don't like the game and indicating some reviews about why I don't like the game I provide feedback to Bioware. And I talk to other people about the game.

Modifié par Ksandor, 15 avril 2011 - 01:47 .

[AlexXIV]

I personally think it is actually bad to try to get people buy things they don't like or need. In other words making wrong advertisement or lying. Yes, a lot of companies are doing it. But just because a lot of people are doing something it doesn't make it right. I mean let's say I'd have the choice to get a free illegal copy of the game from somewhere. I guess Bioware would expect me to not use it and buy the legal version. And I expect Bioware to be honest about their product, since before I play a game the only thing I have is their word. So if it turns out, in theory, that a company uses every cheap trick to get money from people ... how would people in turn be obliged to be 'better persons'.

I personally payed about 150 euro for DA:O incl Expansion and DLCs. And I somehow thought that was rather expensive. But I am a fan, so what. So how in the world did I deserve to be lied to about DA2? It cannot be my problem that people pirate games. It cannot be my problem that people don't like the game and bring it back to get their money back. It is not my problem either that not everyone who bought the game is happy enough with it to purchase DLCs.

So you get advantages for ordering a signature edition or preordering. You get something for signing newsletters or taking part in a free facebook game, or ordering or subscribing in different places. But what do you get for being a good and loyal customer? You get nothing. So my honest question. If it doesn't pay to be fair, or loyal, or generous. Or say even being nice. Why would people be it? Because they are stupid?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 avril 2011 - 01:46 .

[ForeignPatriot]

Ouch, AlexXIV...

You just made me glad I no longer live in the UK, game prices in Europe would kill me lol

[Lumikki]

Ksandor wrote...

No I am here to express myself and I have every right to express my dislike and I have right to provide any review which supports my argument. This does not mean that I am actively trying to change others' opinions.

This is fine and nice.

Though I don't understand why I should not. I can say that people who like the game try to persuade other people to like the game. So what is wrong with that? Again what are you afraid of?

This is the big problem here, so is what the others do in you saying. If you don't get it, then believe me that it's the problem. Point is that we should not try to change others liking one way or other, but let them deside them self. How ever we should provide neutral reviews for it, not just one sided. Again what are you afraid of?

I'm not policing the forum, there is moderators for it. I'm trying to teach you about why we have forums.

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 avril 2011 - 01:57 .

[Ksandor]

Please don't... Believe me there are many posters who post here to say why they like the game. Why don't you criticize them for trying to change people's mind about the game in a positive way..? Anyway I never said "Hey people! Don't buy this game!" So I am not actively trying anything anyway. Not because I don't think I have no right but because it is pointless. And what neutral review? A review is not neutral. The objectivity however -not neutrality- comes from reading opposite reviews and then forming your own opinion. I do not have to be neutral. Neither should you. We are sentient beings, we form opinions . People can form their own opinion. I don't feel the need to explain myself further. Why don't you let me be and let people focus on the link or the game?

Modifié par Ksandor, 15 avril 2011 - 02:03 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Biowares new slogan: If you can't make it fake it.

[DanteCousland]

The guy who wrote that is an idiot and I hope he feels like one now he's been caught out.

[Persephone]

Oh look.....it's another one of those. Nobody knew of this, nooooooo way.

And people wonder why I prefer to form my own opinion rather than hopping on a positive/negative review bandwagon. Or why I do not trust Word Of Mouth.

Or why this whole glorification of everything DAO makes me cringe.

Yes, keep calling me "fanboi", "Biodrone", "Sheep", "Shill" and whatever obnoxious names you "true" RPG lovers can come up with while I put my head in the sand and ENJOY MYSELF playing DAII.

And word of advice, true RPG lovers: Avoid the RPG classic Might and Magic VI like the plague.

No decisions.

No play the dolly with comp....actually they are just hirelings. Whom you cannot equip AT ALL.

Reused enviroments

Every NPC looks & wears the SAME.

No romances

How they ever had the audacity to call Might and Magic VI an RPG is beyond me, I tell you.

(/End sarcasm)

Modifié par Persephone, 15 avril 2011 - 07:26 .