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[Saephy]

Curious about other players "Egads, how gullible was I?!" moments from their first playthrough, so please feel free to share!

The ones I particularly remember...

I bought Graces "I´ve had no truck with demons!"-speech, and totally believed these were innocent mages that hadn`t been dabbling in blood-magic, despite their cuckoo-leader and everyone (except Anders) going "They´re bloodmages!!"

Speaking of Anders, I also totally believed his Tevinter-Potion story, not making the connection to Gunpowder until long after,  and I didn`t get suspicious until the bit about "distracting the grand cleric".

I also bought Isabelas "Fine, it´ll go straight to the Qunari once we get it", although I expected the relic she spoke of was something important from the start.

In my defense, Bartrand didn`t have me fooled for 5 minutes and I saw his betrayal coming from a mile away, same with Merills keeper, as soon as I realized the demon was gone and the keeper pops on-screen I knew where it was going.

Modifié par Saephy, 15 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[ForeignPatriot]

For me it was the travesty prostitute in the blooming rose. The one and only time I did it to see what would happen I said, this elf here looks alright...

I could hear my male Hawke's screams of terror

[Plaintiff]

I believed Grace too. Although, to be fair, she's the only one who turns out tobe a **** later. Alain may be a bloodmage, but he's not a jerk, and Terrie... well she doesn't appear later except for like, the briefest of mentions about her involvement with the mage underground, so I;m gonna giver the BOTD.

I too fell for Anders' lies, but the chantry nuking was quite a pleasant surprise I must say.

I let Isabela have the book, so yeah. And after what happened with the Qunari, I don't particularly feel like giving it back anyway. Maybe in an urn. Or I'll hand it over to the Tevinters and leave them and the Qunari to tear each other apart.

[BlueMew]

Actually, I didn't see Grace's deception coming, but rather quickly found out Anders after 'distracting the grand cleric'. I didn't buy Isabela's 'I'll give it back', but was extremely surprised when she came back with it

[efrgfhnm_]

Grace I always thought was a blood mage, it just seemed kinda obvious to me haha, I was pretty annoyed I couldn't kill her.
Anders I only started suspecting after he asked me to disstract the Gland Cleric, I didn't think that would lead to a nuking though, that really caught me off guard
Isabela, I thought I was gonna be able to stop her running, but as soon as she ran after that guy I knew she was gone. Which is why it's so satisfying to give her to the Qunari

[Rifneno]

I didn't buy Grace's pleas of innocence but I wasn't certain she was guilty either.   Didn't buy Petrice's either, but that's mostly because I at best distrust anyone connected to the Chantry.  Anders had me hook, line, and sinker though.  I actually did his quest as early as I could because I wanted to see how he acts the rest of the game when he's cured of Justice.

Isabela I got pretty early on, the first time she refused to go to the qunari compound.  "Why's she leaving?  What could they be pissed at her for?  They're just shipwre--Oh."  I didn't really believe or disbelieve that she'd run off with the relic because I only had about 45 seconds with the possibility to think about it, and I spent that time thinking about how to make the oxmen and tevinters in front of me stop breathing.

Orsino was the best, because I realized he was bad the second I saw him.  But after a whole chapter of him acting nothing but reasonable and not even having the classic evil voice (copyright Loghain) I started to think maybe I was wrong.  I'd just gotten around to warming up to him when it happened.  "You know Orsino, I gotta give you credit, when we first met I expected to have to kill you.  But you've been a pretty cool--"  "Well I'll show her blood magic!"  *turns into Roseanne Barr*  "Oh you've got to be sodding kidding me."

[Plaintiff]

Rifneno wrote...
 Anders had me hook, line, and sinker though.  I actually did his quest as early as I could because I wanted to see how he acts the rest of the game when he's cured of Justice.

This is exactly what I was thinking too. Although knowing what I do now, replaying the quest is sort of amusing. When Anders says "Just mix it up and boom... Justice and I are separated", I actually laughed out loud.

Oh Anders, you crack me up. What will you think of next?

You know, in Awakening, my Warden told Anders that mages should take more drastic measures to be free of the Circle and he disagreed with me. I kinda hope I can meet him again as the Warden, just so I can say "Well I hate to say I told you so, but..."

[Icy Magebane]

Anders definitely fooled me. I wouldn't have even collected the ingredients if I'd known what he was up to, but by the time I started getting suspicious, it was too late. He had what he needed. I refused to help him get into the Chantry, but still... that guy was a damn good liar.

Other than that... hm... I'll have to agree that Isabela's deception came out of nowhere. I knew she was shady, but I also made it clear that we were giving the book to the Qunari. When she stole it, I was like, "Whaaa?" She came back though... her mistake, because I happily handed her thieving behind to those monsters as payback.

Oh, you know what? It wasn't my first run, but Torpor the sloth demon tricked me good... I actually believed it when it said it wouldn't attack Kirkwall once it took over Feynriel's mind. And then it becomes the Dreamstalker and starts killing people. Wonderful. The worst part was that I couldn't even make it right by tracking him down... he was out of reach, and that was that.

[Cutlass Jack]

Isabela was one of the few times my trust was not misplaced. The whole kidnapping thing just made me sigh. Here was a whole group of people I would have actually joined and helped if they just asked me first instead of attacking and kidnapping my loved ones.

Anders did not fool me. When he gave me the shopping list of manure and saltpeter I knew right away what he was really making. Unfortunately the game didn't let me act on that knowledge. But it let me react, hence the murder knife.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 15 avril 2011 - 01:35 .

[Joy Divison]

A potion to separate demonic possession is the Thedas equivalent to snakeskin oil to regrow hair - if it was possible, there would be no need for circles, tranquil, and excessive fear of blood mages.

I will admit I did not think Orsino was a nutcase though.

[Rifneno]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Oh, you know what? It wasn't my first run, but Torpor the sloth demon tricked me good... I actually believed it when it said it wouldn't attack Kirkwall once it took over Feynriel's mind. And then it becomes the Dreamstalker and starts killing people. Wonderful. The worst part was that I couldn't even make it right by tracking him down... he was out of reach, and that was that.

You... believed... a demon?

[TheAwesomologist]

Just about every NPC, including your allies, underestimate Hawke and try to pull one over on him.
Anders oddly enough I figured was making a bomb, but I wasn't 100% certain since we already dealt with the Qunari and their blackpowder. I was waiting for Isabella to betray me from the moment I swapped out her default daggers "Heartbreaker" and "Backstabber"... Yeah not so subtle there BioWare...

The ones that got me the most were Grace, Thrask, and Orsino. Grace was just dumb. Really? A 6 year grudge? thrask for being an idiot considering I was screaming "I'm Pro-Mage" from the beginning of the game and he proceeds to kidnap my sibling anyways...

Then Orsino. First time I hadn't put together that he was "O" in the letter found in the Kirkwall Killer's lair. Right after he and I have a conversation where he believes the Mages have a chance now that I'm standing with them and I OBLITERATED the templar waves he still turns into an abomination?
Merrill, where's my murder knife? Did I leave it in Anders?

[Plaintiff]

Joy Divison wrote...

A potion to separate demonic possession is the Thedas equivalent to snakeskin oil to regrow hair - if it was possible, there would be no need for circles, tranquil, and excessive fear of blood mages.

I will admit I did not think Orsino was a nutcase though.

It seemed plausible to me. Remember, Anders specifies that it's Tevinter magic. The Chantry hates Tevinter and I can easily imagine them witholding/destroying magical texts/knowledge that comes from there in order to prevent mages from becoming too powerful.

Heck, they could have a public bonfire for the stuff and nobody would think twice. If there's one thing churches are good at, it's burning books. And people.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 avril 2011 - 01:47 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

Saephy wrote...

Curious about other players "Egads, how gullible was I?!" moments from their first playthrough, so please feel free to share!

I must be getting more genre savvy  - which isn't as fun as being deceived.  Enjoy it while you can! 

The only one "big reveal" moment I remember going "what the h***" was Orsino's turning into a harvester after Hawke easily defends the mages from the templars.  And in that instance, it felt more like Bioware tried to fit the story around a boss battle more than I had been gullible. 

[Rifneno]

Plaintiff wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

A potion to separate demonic possession is the Thedas equivalent to snakeskin oil to regrow hair - if it was possible, there would be no need for circles, tranquil, and excessive fear of blood mages.

I will admit I did not think Orsino was a nutcase though.

It seemed plausible to me. Remember, Anders specifies that it's Tevinter magic. The Chantry hates Tevinter and I can easily imagine them witholding/destroying magical texts/knowledge that comes from there in order to prevent mages from becoming too powerful.

Heck, they could have a public bonfire for the stuff and nobody would think twice. If there's one thing churches are good at, it's burning books. And people.

Exactly.  He even says "Tevinter is the only ones who have even tried to cure possession by anything other than beheading."  And he was probably telling the truth about that.

[Darkhour]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Oh, you know what? It wasn't my first run, but Torpor the sloth demon tricked me good... I actually believed it when it said it wouldn't attack Kirkwall once it took over Feynriel's mind. And then it becomes the Dreamstalker and starts killing people. Wonderful. The worst part was that I couldn't even make it right by tracking him down... he was out of reach, and that was that.

I'm an African prince. I was forced to flee my own palace during a military coup d'etat lead by my uncle General Umgabe. I sold the royal treasuries gold surplus and split the funds between 45 bancks in over 14 different nations. My uncles spies are trying to find and recover the monies and are watching to see if I collect it. Surely you can understand my predicament. I have choosen you because you are so gullible the seer has said that you are trustworthy.  PM me the name of your bank, your bank account number, social security number, mothers maiden name, etc. and I will transfer it all to your account so that my uncle will not be able to take action to reclaim it. This is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 US currency and I am willing to give you 5% for your aid.


Your friend,

Prince Umgawa

Modifié par Darkhour, 15 avril 2011 - 02:02 .

[Icy Magebane]

Rifneno wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Oh, you know what? It wasn't my first run, but Torpor the sloth demon tricked me good... I actually believed it when it said it wouldn't attack Kirkwall once it took over Feynriel's mind. And then it becomes the Dreamstalker and starts killing people. Wonderful. The worst part was that I couldn't even make it right by tracking him down... he was out of reach, and that was that.

You... believed... a demon?

lol... hey, I'll admit that wasn't my finest moment.  The DA:O demons didn't go back on their word though, so I figured whatever the creature did, it would take place in the Fade.  Oh well...

[Darkhour]

Bioware is pretty obvious with their villains. I recall when I first played Origins thinking, when it came to Loghain in the camp, "Really? You're making it THAT obvious? Why not just give him glowing red eyes, fangs and horns". Bhelen was the same. Bioware, let us be surprised. Stop making villains look shady.

[Cutlass Jack]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

The only one "big reveal" moment I remember going "what the h***" was Orsino's turning into a harvester after Hawke easily defends the mages from the templars.  And in that instance, it felt more like Bioware tried to fit the story around a boss battle more than I had been gullible. 

That was more of what we in my house call a 'Duncan Sigh' moment. (referencing the sound Duncan makes at Ostragar when Alistair and the Warden talk about wearing a pretty dress.)

I just sighed and put out my daggers for him to leap on.

[Saephy]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Saephy wrote...

Curious about other players "Egads, how gullible was I?!" moments from their first playthrough, so please feel free to share!

I must be getting more genre savvy  - which isn't as fun as being deceived.  Enjoy it while you can! 

No need to worry about that! 
I seem to devolve into some sort of gullible, doe-eyed moron who believes everything everyone says as soon as I  start playing a new game by default.

I can`t even blame inexperience, as I´ve been playing for years and fallen for an endless amount of implausibilities, yet I keep falling.
One would think I learned over time, but it seems to go all out the window as soon as the next game is released.

Modifié par Saephy, 15 avril 2011 - 02:08 .

[AlexXIV]

I rather had my 'Egads, how stupid was that' moments. Hawke being guillible never harms Hawke. It is always those who try to cheat Hawke who die eventually. So basically trust them or not, kill them or not. There will eventually be a point it doesn't matter.

[Plaintiff]

Darkhour wrote...

Bioware is pretty obvious with their villains. I recall when I first played Origins thinking, when it came to Loghain in the camp, "Really? You're making it THAT obvious? Why not just give him glowing red eyes, fangs and horns". Bhelen was the same. Bioware, let us be surprised. Stop making villains look shady.

I'm actually really surprised by the number of people in these forums who found Loghain very sympathetic, preferable to Alistair even. I think they're insane, but they do exist.

And in the Dwarven Noble origin, I actually thought, despite his betrayal, that Bhelen was overall less of a douche than the rest of the Aeducans. Picking a dwarf-king was actually the only truly difficult decision in Origins, for me. I really, really hate Bhelen on a personal level, but I find his progressive policies easily preferable to the way Orzammar currently operates.

[AlexXIV]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Bioware is pretty obvious with their villains. I recall when I first played Origins thinking, when it came to Loghain in the camp, "Really? You're making it THAT obvious? Why not just give him glowing red eyes, fangs and horns". Bhelen was the same. Bioware, let us be surprised. Stop making villains look shady.

I'm actually really surprised by the number of people in these forums who found Loghain very sympathetic, preferable to Alistair even. I think they're insane, but they do exist.

And in the Dwarven Noble origin, I actually thought, despite his betrayal, that Bhelen was overall less of a douche than the rest of the Aeducans. Picking a dwarf-king was actually the only truly difficult decision in Origins, for me. I really, really hate Bhelen on a personal level, but I find his progressive policies easily preferable to the way Orzammar currently operates.

Loghain was the obvious villain in Ostagar. I mean look at Cailan, Alistair and Duncan. Then look at Uldred and Loghain. I was feeling more sympathetic for Loghain only after several playthroughs and spending alot of time on the BSN. Simply because I started to understand him. And now with DA2 he seems to make even more sense regarding his distrust towards Orlais. Cailan was a fool tbh, and he will go down in history as such. That's why I am now glad to make Alistair King just to prove this point. Because Alistair is at least 10 times the king Cailan was. And Loghain sacrificing Cailan was probably a good thing for all of Ferelden.

[Cutlass Jack]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm actually really surprised by the number of people in these forums who found Loghain very sympathetic, preferable to Alistair even. I think they're insane, but they do exist.

Loghain has precisely two moments when I feel this way. The first you only get if you play a female warden. When you talk to him at his tent. The second is following the landsmeet duel when he accepts his fate and consoles Anora.

In between those two points is alot of things I can't forgive him for. And yes they practically to beat you over the head with his Betrayal before it ever happens. But he wasn't the 'moustache twirling villain' Howe was either.

[Rifneno]

AlexXIV wrote...

Loghain was the obvious villain in Ostagar. I mean look at Cailan, Alistair and Duncan. Then look at Uldred and Loghain. I was feeling more sympathetic for Loghain only after several playthroughs and spending alot of time on the BSN. Simply because I started to understand him. And now with DA2 he seems to make even more sense regarding his distrust towards Orlais. Cailan was a fool tbh, and he will go down in history as such. That's why I am now glad to make Alistair King just to prove this point. Because Alistair is at least 10 times the king Cailan was. And Loghain sacrificing Cailan was probably a good thing for all of Ferelden.

Loghain = Prince Behlen who can reach the top shelf.