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[AlexXIV]

Plaintiff wrote...

Oh man, Anora makes me laugh. I can find it easier to believe that people would consider her trustworthy and capable, at least more so than Loghain. Her confidence is very reassuring. I think people get distracted by it, they think "Oh wow, a confident woman in politics. She's so contemporary and awesome!"

It totally worked on me, I'm ashamed to say. I had her marry poor Alistair several times. It took me a couple of playthroughs to realize that she doesn't actually DO anything of value the whole time you see her.

"Oh yeah, I was totally the brains behind the crown. That's why I chickened out and let my dad take over!"

Yeah well marrying Alistair to Anora is more like the supposed optimal ending, like using the circle mages to save Connor. It does actually not really feel good. My main problem is that I have to murder Loghain at the Landsmeet. Unless I duel him with Alistair, but that's also the Warden's choice then.

[KSuri]

I wasn't taken in by Anders. His ingredient list was just too suspicious and so out of line with what I would associate with actual potion making. It just didn't make sense why he needed waste material (methane) and dragon rock (which reminded me of fire and explosives). Yeah, wasn't buying it and didn't want to get involved with his craziness. But the black robe......biggest tip off ever that he'd gone to the dark side.

I also saw Isabela coming a mile away. There is nothing about her that screams trustworthy. (I'm also one of those who never trusted Morrigan-EVER.) Though it did take me awhile to put her artifact and the Arishok together. In games nothing is coincidental. They were both looking for something.....game mechanics dictate it's the same thing. Wasn't surprised when she ran after the guy and left me......was just annoyed i couldn't ignore the fight and go after her.

Grace.....Yeah, she's innocent. NOT! There wasn't a single mage in the whole game I thought was on the level about not using blood magic when I confronted them. Bethany was the only mage I had complete faith in. If she'd betrayed me with blood mage THAT would be a surprise. Every other mage from apprentice to First Enchanter was automatically guilty as far as I was concerned.

Demons, well they can't be trusted so under the knife they go.

Bertrand: Not surprised. He was an abrasive greedy git from the get go.

The e-gads moment came when I had to deal with the kidnapping of Bethany. And that was because I was surprised there was no mechanic in place to allow me to help them with their agenda. Instead the only option was kill them all!

I was also pleasantly surprised by Feynriel. I almost killed him in the Fade on sheer suspicion that he would become an abomination once out of my sight or an egotistical dream stalking blood mage assassin once he went to Tevinter. I'm still afraid I'll find out that he grew up to be just as bad as the majority of Magisters Fenris describes.

Modifié par KSuri, 15 avril 2011 - 03:49 .

[Herr Uhl]

AlexXIV wrote...

Yeah well marrying Alistair to Anora is more like the supposed optimal ending, like using the circle mages to save Connor. It does actually not really feel good. My main problem is that I have to murder Loghain at the Landsmeet. Unless I duel him with Alistair, but that's also the Warden's choice then.

It is possible to marry them and have Loghain.

Anyways, the problem I have with Loghain is his driving the country nose-down into the ground by asserting himself as regent. He could have had Anora be the official figurehead, but no, he had to take charge causing a civil war.

[Rockpopple]

I thought Anders' black robe was just so he can look cool like Neo.... egads.... I am quite gullible...

[AlexXIV]

Herr Uhl wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Yeah well marrying Alistair to Anora is more like the supposed optimal ending, like using the circle mages to save Connor. It does actually not really feel good. My main problem is that I have to murder Loghain at the Landsmeet. Unless I duel him with Alistair, but that's also the Warden's choice then.

It is possible to marry them and have Loghain.

Anyways, the problem I have with Loghain is his driving the country nose-down into the ground by asserting himself as regent. He could have had Anora be the official figurehead, but no, he had to take charge causing a civil war.

No what I meant is, I want Alistair on the throne. I don't want to murder Loghain, the Hero of River Dane. What ever he did in DA:O, he is a hero, or was. This is a black spot in my Warden's biography and I don't want it. Let the Darkspawn have him, or the Archdemon soul crush him. But I don't want my Warden to murder him in public or standing by when Alistair is doing it. So my only real choice is to marry Alistair to Anora and make Loghain a Grey Warden.

If I had a real choice I would ban Loghain and Anora from Ferelden, make Alistair king, and that's it. But that's not possible. Alistair doesn't want Loghain to become a Grey Warden, but I have not the choice to throw him into prison or to tell him to leave and never show his face again. Well we are doing a good job derailing this thread btw.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 avril 2011 - 04:03 .

[Annarl]

Anders I saw coming. His ingredient list was odd. Waste material...hmmmm, you're not drinking that. Grace was a surprise. I thought she may have been guilty of something but I didn't see that thing with Thrask coming. Isabela, I knew she was up to something when she wouldn't go into the Qunari compound and when the talked about the storm and her ship she almost says Qunari. Orsino was a total shock. I was stunned and yelled "You Idiot" at the screen. Followed by this is stupid Bioware I took his side on that playthrough. Just an excuse to fight a Harvester.

[Rifneno]

AlexXIV wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Yeah well marrying Alistair to Anora is more like the supposed optimal ending, like using the circle mages to save Connor. It does actually not really feel good. My main problem is that I have to murder Loghain at the Landsmeet. Unless I duel him with Alistair, but that's also the Warden's choice then.

It is possible to marry them and have Loghain.

Anyways, the problem I have with Loghain is his driving the country nose-down into the ground by asserting himself as regent. He could have had Anora be the official figurehead, but no, he had to take charge causing a civil war.

No what I meant is, I want Alistair on the throne. I don't want to murder Loghain, the Hero of River Dane. What ever he did in DA:O, he is a hero, or was. This is a black spot in my Warden's biography and I don't want it. Let the Darkspawn have him, or the Archdemon soul crush him. But I don't want my Warden to murder him in public or standing by when Alistair is doing it. So my only real choice is to marry Alistair to Anora and make Loghain a Grey Warden.

If I had a real choice I would ban Loghain and Anora from Ferelden, make Alistair king, and that's it. But that's not possible. Alistair doesn't want Loghain to become a Grey Warden, but I have not the choice to throw him into prison or to tell him to leave and never show his face again. Well we are doing a good job derailing this thread btw.

The Anders lynch mob disagrees about you not judging someone based solely on the last 5 minutes.

But really, Loghain was pretty much always a bastard.  I haven't read the books but everyone talks about how he made Maric kill the woman he loved by refusing to tell him that she had switched sides.  That's how he treats the guy he spends the whole game talking up as the greatest thing ever.  It's not murder.  He fought a battle and lost.  You better believe he'd have killed you (well, the warden) if he had won.  He's ruthless to the point of making TIM look like a PETA protester.  He did great things for Ferelden, but he also committed great crimes against Ferelden.  While I believe in judging someone based on all their actions and not just the worst things they've done, I think Loghain clearly deserved the axeman.

[Joy Divison]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well that's really something I am never 100% sure about. Because the big question in Loghain's betrayal is whether it was necessary or not. I mean if he charged, according to the plan, would they have won? We don't know. I mean if Loghain and his men had charged in and died with the rest, then who would have prevented the Orlesians to take over Ferelden again?

The darkspawn?

[Maria Caliban]

I didn't have any.

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I didn't have any.

You must creak like a rusty hinge!

[The Baconer]

Anders got got me. At first when he was telling me about the miracle-potion I was all 'Sounds like a bunch of bull****.'

But then he talked about studying Tevinter lore and such and since DA loves talking about how there's nothing the Tevinter can't do I figured he might just be telling the truth.

[PantheraOnca]

I knew Ander's potion was not a cure-my-abomination potion, but I wasn't sure what sela paetre was. When he asked me to distract the grand cleric i was like "what shady ass **** is going on here, and why can't i get an answer out of him? oh well, lets see what happens."

I knew isabella was responsible (or at least contributing) for the qunari being in kirkwall as soon as she refused to go in to the compound with one of her wonderful fake excuses.

I could never believe, and still don't to an extent, that I didn't get an "time to die, ****!" option when you come back to sister petrice.

I didn't piece together that the "she" bartrand was referring to was meredith basically until i was fighting super-saiyan KC.

[Xewaka]

Darkhour wrote...

Bioware is pretty obvious with their villains. I recall when I first played Origins thinking, when it came to Loghain in the camp, "Really? You're making it THAT obvious? Why not just give him glowing red eyes, fangs and horns". Bhelen was the same. Bioware, let us be surprised. Stop making villains look shady.

Bhelen is the best pick for Orzammar as King. Just sayin'

[BlueMew]

KSuri wrote...
I was also pleasantly surprised by Feynriel. I almost killed him in the Fade on sheer suspicion that he would become an abomination once out of my sight or an egotistical dream stalking blood mage assassin once he went to Tevinter. I'm still afraid I'll find out that he grew up to be just as bad as the majority of Magisters Fenris describes.

Oh, I don't know. He might be the exception -- after all, in the letter he sends you, he has newly grasped some understanding for the Circle of Magi because of what he sees in Tevinter.

[AlexXIV]

Joy Divison wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well that's really something I am never 100% sure about. Because the big question in Loghain's betrayal is whether it was necessary or not. I mean if he charged, according to the plan, would they have won? We don't know. I mean if Loghain and his men had charged in and died with the rest, then who would have prevented the Orlesians to take over Ferelden again?

The darkspawn?

I'd  be surprised if the darkspawn could stop the orlesians if they could not even stop my warden.

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Bioware is pretty obvious with their villains. I recall when I first played Origins thinking, when it came to Loghain in the camp, "Really? You're making it THAT obvious? Why not just give him glowing red eyes, fangs and horns". Bhelen was the same. Bioware, let us be surprised. Stop making villains look shady.

Bhelen is the best pick for Orzammar as King. Just sayin'

I heard that epilogue charts are hearsay. Just sayin'.

[Maria Caliban]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I didn't have any.

You must creak like a rusty hinge!

Sad, but true.

[Xewaka]

AlexXIV wrote...
I heard that epilogue charts are hearsay. Just sayin'.

My nephew is the prince. So there's that.

[savagesparrow]

Lol, I was taken in by Anders the first time, but the Grand Cleric thing set my bells ringing. I didn't think he would do =that=, but I figured whatever he was doing it wasn't going to be good. I was also fooled by Grace, because I had hoped that like Alain, maybe she could be saved? I was sad that Thrask was killed though.

While I wasn't shocked by Keeper Merithari's abomination transformation, I =was= shocked when we beat it, and then she stabbed Merrill because I thought it was over.

And yeah, the Harvester thing was really lame and needed more build up so we could see Orsino getting cornered into Blood Magic in the same way we saw/heard about Meredith getting more and more harsh.

Likewise, I was shocked when I picked up one of the scrolls of pride and found OMFGWTFBBQ TWO REVANANTS that almost destroyed me (I can't remember what their names are...but they were the really scary ones).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I wasn't thinking that Anders would blow up the Chantry but I didn't even have time to be suspicious. I didn't realize that Orsino's letter would put the ending quest in motion so I didn't even have time to finish collecting his ingredients before I saw what he did.

I didn't connect the dots of Isabella stealing the Qunari artifact from them and battling them at sea. I just figured she was reluctant to enter the compound because she was Rivaini and some sort of incident happened there that resulted in her fleeing the Qunari influence.

My most "gullible" moments were more uncertainty ones. When I first confronted Gascard Du Pius it seemed too obvious for him to be the killer so I decided to let him go. When Emmeric was attacked I felt kinda stupid, but then realized that if I just assume it was him and then turn out to be wrong again I'll feel even more stupid. I suppose it didn't matter in the end, even though I wasn't trying to be certain either way, the Templars caught him anyway.

Orsino and Merethari I had been spoiled about. But it does kind of raise a question. Lots of people complained that Orsino's betrayal was badly written because it came out of nowhere and others complained that Loghain's and Bhelen's were too obvious. And they kind of were. Both times I wanted to say "You're saying that sentence weird. Are you planning to betray us?"

[jmbrosendo]

ForeignPatriot wrote...

For me it was the travesty prostitute in the blooming rose. The one and only time I did it to see what would happen I said, this elf here looks alright...

I could hear my male Hawke's screams of terror

Glad to know I was not the only one. Yikes.

[Peer of the Empire]

Despised Alistair. I spared Loghain for some reason but I trust it was a good one.

[AlienZombies]

jmbrosendo wrote...

ForeignPatriot wrote...

For me it was the travesty prostitute in the blooming rose. The one and only time I did it to see what would happen I said, this elf here looks alright...

I could hear my male Hawke's screams of terror

Glad to know I was not the only one. Yikes.

Glad we're mature enough to keep the transphobia to a minimum.

[Laurelinde]

I believed Gascard duPuis when he said he was trying to track down the murderer to kill him. Found out later from friends that if I'd asked the right questions or something I'd have known he was a filthy murdering bloodmage too. Wish I hadn't let him go. :/

Never trusted Grace, and I sussed that Anders was asking for nitrate and saltpeter straight off - plus he as much as told me so after I'd done the quest. There wasn't anything I could do about it though - I didn't help him with the Grand Cleric and on one save I even told him to just leave, but he comes back in the end as it's his story at the end of the day.

Orsino I knew was a wrong'un when I saw the letters signed 'O' on the murderer's floor.

Isabela, I only twigged that she'd taken the Qunari relic in Act 2 when she came to me saying she had a big problem, and boy was I ever cross with her then!! Daft besom, do not steal the holiest artifact of the rather scary people who can take over the world if they feel like it, kk?

It's definitely got me to the point that I don't trust the motives of anyone or anything, though maybe some of that is just old age. I kept waiting for Isolde to have some even bigger, dirtier secret in DA:O, did not trust her one teensy bit.