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[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

uanime5 wrote...

I can't help but think that they originally planed to have a linear campaign where you opposed Meridith but that they decided to add the option to side with the Templars very late in development. This would explain why there isn't an achievement for defeating Orsino.

Agreed and they didn't even put much thought into that.  If they had, they would have added a "First Enchanter" Acheivement for very minimal extra coding or at least something that differentiated a Templar-Siding mage from a Templar-siding non-mage, because there is no way in the Maker's name that the Templars would permit ANY mage to take a political title no matter how respected or honored the mage.

-Polaris

They seemed to plan it that no matter what Meredith has to die. Same for Orsino. Since in both scenarios, Orsino dies first and Meredith dies last. Having an extra achievement for defeating the mini boss before the final boss? Not really necessary.

[IanPolaris]

Torax wrote...

They seemed to plan it that no matter what Meredith has to die. Same for Orsino. Since in both scenarios, Orsino dies first and Meredith dies last. Having an extra achievement for defeating the mini boss before the final boss? Not really necessary.

How about respecting your own game world and lore?  Given that the Templars/Chantry is willing to go to extreme lengths to prevent Tevinter 2.0, it makes zero sense and ruins game immersion to say that your MAGE became the next Viscount of Kirkwall, esp since it would have taken almost no effort to add the extra achievement to keep things straight.

-Polaris

[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

Torax wrote...

They seemed to plan it that no matter what Meredith has to die. Same for Orsino. Since in both scenarios, Orsino dies first and Meredith dies last. Having an extra achievement for defeating the mini boss before the final boss? Not really necessary.

How about respecting your own game world and lore?  Given that the Templars/Chantry is willing to go to extreme lengths to prevent Tevinter 2.0, it makes zero sense and ruins game immersion to say that your MAGE became the next Viscount of Kirkwall, esp since it would have taken almost no effort to add the extra achievement to keep things straight.

-Polaris

Don't you have some plight of the mages to complain about somewhere? I was simply stating that if they planned as it appeared they did to have both Orsino and Meredith to die. That in both Meredith would die last. So in that Scenario there is NO reason to have an achievement for his death. He is not the final boss in that scenario. This is only rarer than Origins cause there was basically the Arch Demon and a few elites before him. But in this case it was a Corrupt Mage trying to hide behind a smile that was exactly the type of mage Meredith was trying to root out. She of course in her lust of power can't have the Champion still roaming so would have to finish them off after. In that case the achievement I was posting about makes zero f@$#'ing sense.

If your goal is to just complain about the fact of that final ending for the game. Of which you'd complained for long enough already. I don't really see it going anywhere. You cannot change it. Trying to claim some achievement is needed for an end result that happens regardless of your decisions seems unnecessary. Whether you want to believe it or not. I know that logic for you doesn't usually mean the same thing as it does for others. But the achievement I was refering which started my post was all I cared about. Unlike you I got over the state of the ending of DA2 a long time ago.

Modifié par Torax, 17 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[IanPolaris]

I have the same right to complain as everyone else, and what I am pointing out given the lore of Dragon Age IS a valid complaint. Deal with it.

-Polaris

[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

I have the same right to complain as everyone else, and what I am pointing out given the lore of Dragon Age IS a valid complaint. Deal with it.

-Polaris

All I'm saying is about the achievement being mentioned which has 0 to do with lore. You are taking it someplace and I was only talking about an achievement. Deal with it. I know it won't be easy for you.

[IanPolaris]

Torax wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I have the same right to complain as everyone else, and what I am pointing out given the lore of Dragon Age IS a valid complaint. Deal with it.

-Polaris

All I'm saying is about the achievement being mentioned which has 0 to do with lore. You are taking it someplace and I was only talking about an achievement. Deal with it. I know it won't be easy for you.

You're wrong.  If you get the Acheivement, Varric makes it very clear that Hawke (at least for a while) was Viscount of Kirkwall by acclaimation.  There is no way that the Templars would permit a mage to be Viscount (esp given their influence in Kirkwall) which makes this very much a problem of game lore.

-Polaris

[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

Torax wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I have the same right to complain as everyone else, and what I am pointing out given the lore of Dragon Age IS a valid complaint. Deal with it.

-Polaris

All I'm saying is about the achievement being mentioned which has 0 to do with lore. You are taking it someplace and I was only talking about an achievement. Deal with it. I know it won't be easy for you.

You're wrong.  If you get the Acheivement, Varric makes it very clear that Hawke (at least for a while) was Viscount of Kirkwall by acclaimation.  There is no way that the Templars would permit a mage to be Viscount (esp given their influence in Kirkwall) which makes this very much a problem of game lore.

-Polaris

I'm talking about the killing of Orsino not needing an achievement. I don't give a rat's ass what you think the ending really should be like. I'm saying his death should not = achievement since no matter the scenario he dies before Meredith basically making him a mini-boss. I know you do not like this. But mini-bosses really do not need achievements. The Sten before the Arishok doesn't give you one. Why should Orsino? The achievements are based on who you side with before hand. It how it's done. You should know this by now. All I'm talking about is the act of killing him shouldn't need an achievement. Not sure where i'm saying anything past that. I don't give a crap about lore. I'm just talking achievements...

[IanPolaris]

Torax,

We are talking past each other. I am NOT talking about giving an achievement for defeating Orsino. I am saying that if you beat the game, side with the templars, AND you are a mage, you should get a DIFFERENT achievement than Viscount (because the Templars would never permit it). I am suggesting "First Enchanter of Kirkwall" instead since I could easily see the Templars nominating and approving Hawke to be the next first enchanter if he/she "surrenders" to them after defeating Meredith and then passes the harrowing (which most Templars given Hawke has resisted far worse would consider to be nearly a sure thing).

That's all.

-Polaris

[Torax]

All I was talking about was the Achievement. You were talking about god knows some other opinion you have about mages or the end game setup that you are not happy with. I was just talking about what someone said in regards to an achievement. I'm of the mindset we cannot change it cause it was already launched. If you want to talk about other crap fine. Just don't quote me to go on some rant if all mine is about is an achievement not being needed cause of how the end battles were designed.