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[Bryy_Miller]

Khayness wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Well, nobody owns them, and the publishing deals with Atari, etc., are publishing deals only. But any day now, I expect them to be bought by either EA or Activision.

CDProject has been a huge publisher in Eastern Europe for ages, and that was well before GoG got launched.

Learn something new every day. 

For instance, I also just learned they do DVDs for Disney Polska. 

[Turnip Root]

If CDProjekt wants to make any money off of the Witcher II they will port it to consoles. Hell, they should have made it console exclusive.
PC gamers are going to pir... excuse me I mean make "BACK UPS" of the game.

[Khayness]

Turnip Root wrote...

If CDProjekt wants to make any money off of the Witcher II they will show their love for their work. Hell, the Collector's Editions were sold months ago as pre-orders.
PC gamers are going to reward publishers for their efforts as they've always had (like with Blizzard).

Hi Busomjack, I've missed you.

Modifié par Khayness, 04 mai 2011 - 11:54 .

[Turnip Root]

Collector's editions are limited and thus aren't a strong indicator of good sales. CD Projekt likely anticipates a lukewarm commercial response to their title giving the so so but ultimately underwhelming sales of the original Witcher.

Besides, the people who bought the Collector's Edition are only doing so because they want the tangible stuff that they obviously can't get from their precious torrent websites.

The whole "lets play nice" with PC gamers strategy has been experimented with before, most notably by World of Goo publisher Brighter Media Minds who went bankrupt after World of Goo had a 9/1 piracy rate because they bought into all that nonsense about how PC gamers only torrent because of DRM.

http://pc.mmgn.com/N...blisher-Files-f

Hopefully publishers like EA and others will get their senses together and abandon the PC platform entirely and make PC gamers beg for forgiveness for being thieves before anyone releases anything for them again.

Modifié par Turnip Root, 05 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[Chromie]

Witcher 1 sold 1.5 million on PC alone.

It's an rpg from a relatively unknown company. It was their first game developed. All they used to do was translate games into Polish I think and have GoG.com. CDProjekt did a great job.

Can you explain how Super Meat boy outsold the console version?

Gaming PCs outsell all consoles combined twice over
PC gaming is not dying. It lives on. Valve introduced Steam. Steam and Apple changed digital distribution. Games are being sold for less on PC, we get more benefits, free online service and it's not owned by anyone.

Anyone can make a game on PC and release unlike on PS3 or 360. Look at Minecraft that game was created solely on PC and became extremely successful with I assume no advertising other then word of mouth. PC sales are up 19% Everyone always say PC gaming is dying yet I don't see that happening.

And I bought the Collector's Edition and the Steam version. TWO versions. One is physical the other digital. I can pirate the game but I choose not too just like a lot of other people. Infact people can pirate games on consoles as well.

Modifié par Ringo12, 05 mai 2011 - 12:25 .

[orbit991]

Turnip Root spare us the PC vs console bait. Besides the 360 is ripped well before a PC these days. And honestly I'd rather play a game made for 2011 when I can instead of one for 2005.

[Turnip Root]

Hey, I never denied PC gamers get a better deal than console gamers.  You don't pay anything at all for your games so it's hard to argue that you guys get a better deal.  Of course it's the industry that suffers in the long run and thus the consumers as well.

I never disputed the hardware market's success in PC gaming.  Free PC games still require powerful hardware afterall.  I'm referring to the software market and really, for  an internationally released critically acclaimed RPG like The Witcher, 1.5 million copies at most is meager.

Mass Effect 2 didn't have as wide a distribution and still sold 3 times that on the Xbox 360 alone.

I never said PC gaming is dying. I've never believed that. Rather I think it's been marginalized to just a few key genres that just don't work well on consoles, namely RTS games, The Sims, and World of Warcraft.
PC gaming will likely continue to thrive on the demographics that play such genres since they typically appeal to teenage girls and soccer moms who don't know anything about file sharing to begin with.
Everything else is just stripped down console ports with DRM and a lack of DLC and continued support.
Just look at how pitiful the PC ports of Dead Space 2 and Hot Pursuit were. Console gamers got all these launch day bonuses and PC gamers got nothing.

There will always be a market for PC hardware since you can't torrent hardware but PC gaming has lost it's sense of identity over the years and has become a dumping ground for crappy console ports and PC exclusives are practically non-existent.

Console games are cracked earlier because of the lack of DRM but playing a cracked console game requires console modification, something most gamers don't know how to do and something that carries significant risk when playing online like we saw when Microsoft bricked thousands of Xbox's who cracked a copy of Halo reach last year.

Being a PC gamer back in the late 90's and early 2000's meant something special.  You got to play cutting edge games that console gamers could only dream of.  I have to wonder if people acting like PC gaming hasn't gone downhill are even old enough to remember back when PC gaming was actually good.

Modifié par Turnip Root, 05 mai 2011 - 03:33 .

[Chromie]

^ hurt that PC gets a game.

[DragonRageGT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oddly enough (not really, no), it's the same people that argued for DA2 to be PC-only.

Nah... Druss owns a console and play some of his games on it. I never owned a console and don't intend to. And I really don't mind if my favourite games are release for all plataforms as long as they are released for the PC and not just as a bad port as ME2. I do mind when they are not released for the PC at all. I would have bought and played Red Dead Redemption just as I have done with Assassin's Creed.

And some people still don't get it. People that d/l games also buy those games when they're good, when they can afford it and when they have principles. It's no loss for the industry since it is a money they would never get anyway but still can be ammended by gaining some new customers that they wouldn't have otherwise.

People that spend money to buy a cheaper console game CD/DVD, and all of them know very well how to crack a console, - there is the internet in these days - will never buy that game after that.

[Khayness]

Turnip Root wrote...


Everything else is just stripped down console ports with DRM and a lack of DLC and continued support.

That's why I own the AC:B Day1 Steelbook Edition with all the neat DLCs and no DRM nonsense for almost half the price the console version cost.

The standard AC2 is the GOTY console version aswell (the DRM was patched out).

Worth the waiting imo.

[Druss99]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oddly enough (not really, no), it's the same people that argued for DA2 to be PC-only.

The bit that confuses me is the belief that CD Projekt are all about the fans and the art, I've seen it mentioned a few times.

CD Projekt are as full of sh*t as Bioware/EA/Activision or anyone else. Every time I've seen them talking they strike me as trying to play with your nuts with one hand and empty your pocket with the other. They fixed one game that was quite broken, I tried playing the original Witcher before the EE came out and it was a horrible mess, patching it was the least they could do for anyone who spent money on it.* Yes they went above and beyond with their fixes but it was their first game, they were trying to make a name for themselves.

I saw one of their conferences recently where they even declared TW2 would be a PC exclusive and going on about it not being dumbed down. They know what people want to hear and are saying all the right things. The game looks good but I'll only believe their claims after I've played it. At the end of the day they are trying to sell you something and people should remember that before talking about them being all about the art. They are all about the money just like everyone else, the art might be good but the money is what they are about.

*Before someone launches into well Bioware should do an EE of DA2 for free then. DA2 is nowhere near as broken as TW was when it first came out, its flawed yes and has a few bugs but patches can fix them and its still perfectly playable. If its not to your tastes thats not a reason for an EE.

As a disclaimer I love the Witcher books and found the first game to have excellent atmosphere but the combat was really off putting so I never really got into it. I can see why people love it but it just wasn't for me.

[Chromie]

Wait you loved the first game and yet it wasn't for you?

The problem with DA2 is people expect more because it's Bioware if you can't see that I don't think you'd enjoy a game that forces you to think.

Modifié par Ringo12, 05 mai 2011 - 03:07 .

[Druss99]

No I said I loved the books and found the game to have an excellent atmosphere but off putting combat so I never got into it. If you can't read that then I don't think you'd enjoy a game that forces you to think.

[Chromie]

whoops.

Modifié par Ringo12, 05 mai 2011 - 03:21 .

[Chromie]

Druss99 wrote...

No I said I loved the books and found the game to have an excellent atmosphere but off putting combat so I never got into it. If you can't read that then I don't think you'd enjoy a game that forces you to think.

 Love you to

[Khayness]

Druss99 wrote...

I tried playing the original Witcher before the EE came out and it was a horrible mess, patching it was the least they could do for anyone who spent money on it.

The only differences I've noticed are shorter loading screens and revamped inventory.

I don't know about the English VO re-record, 1.0 came out fully localized.

[Druss99]

Khayness wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

I tried playing the original Witcher before the EE came out and it was a horrible mess, patching it was the least they could do for anyone who spent money on it.

The only differences I've noticed are shorter loading screens and revamped inventory.

I don't know about the English VO re-record, 1.0 came out fully localized.

EE seems to run much much smoother, my system was more than enough to run 1.0 but trying to play it was a nightmare even on lower settings it would constantly crash, freeze or stutter. EE fixed alot of that and I rarely had any of those issues after installing it and could even play on high settings with nothing but a tiny bit of slow down.

[DragonRageGT]

hehe Druss... once you master combat and alchemy in TW and play it in the hardest diff you'd be amazed! I really love some gold talents combos! And alchemy is a must on expert mode!

[Chromie]

Don't forget the FCR mod really made it challenging.

[Bryy_Miller]

Druss99 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oddly enough (not really, no), it's the same people that argued for DA2 to be PC-only.

The bit that confuses me is the belief that CD Projekt are all about the fans and the art, I've seen it mentioned a few times.

CD Projekt are as full of sh*t as Bioware/EA/Activision or anyone else. Every time I've seen them talking they strike me as trying to play with your nuts with one hand and empty your pocket with the other.

I would also really like CDP a whole lot more if they stopped talking complete nonsense about how they created the modern RPG genre.

Because, as fresh and original as TW series *is*, it really has not innovated anything.

Saying utter non-logic like "we influence Mass Effect" or "we created choice-based gameplay" makes me never want to give them my money.

And I do.

So. You know. They need to get over the fact that they are filling a void. 

Like I said, it will be very interesting when they get bought.

[Chromie]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

So. You know. They need to get over the fact that they are filling a void.

lololol

Though I don't remember them every saying anything about Mass Effect or creating anything then again I don't go on their website much.

[Bryy_Miller]

Ringo12 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

So. You know. They need to get over the fact that they are filling a void.

lololol

Though I don't remember them every saying anything about Mass Effect or creating anything then again I don't go on their website much.

They totally said in an interview that they influenced Mass Effect. It was the most facepalm thing I'd read from a developer in a long time.

And no, making a good product doesn't mean you can be an a-hole to everyone else.

[KenKenpachi]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
And no, making a good product doesn't mean you can be an a-hole to everyone else.

You never heard of Bungie have you?

[Bryy_Miller]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
And no, making a good product doesn't mean you can be an a-hole to everyone else.

You never heard of Bungie have you?

Bungie plays nice. I don't get what you're getting at.

Even if Bungie were a-holes, it doesn't change the fact that making a quality product means you can act like a brat.

[slimgrin]

Bryy_Miller wrote...


Like I said, it will be very interesting when they get bought.

They don't need to get bought. They're already owned by CD Projekt: http://www.cdprojekt.com/company.asp

And yes, they've let their mouths fly a bit, but some things need to be said about the industry. It's rare when someone in their position actually criticizes it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 mai 2011 - 12:45 .