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[didymos1120]

Almostfaceman wrote...
Us Nerd-Geek-Techno Boys:  But dammit Dev, how do you leave the frackin' Mass Relays so... unexplained?  You're evil!  How do you sleep at night?

Dev: On a pile of money with lots of beautiful women.

I'm under no illusions that they necessarily give a crap about any of this stuff. I'm not even thinking about this in terms of dev motivations at all. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 avril 2011 - 02:26 .

[Almostfaceman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
Us Nerd-Geek-Techno Boys:  But dammit Dev, how do you leave the frackin' Mass Relays so... unexplained?  You're evil!  How do you sleep at night?

Dev: On a pile of money with lots of beautiful women.

I'm under no illusions that they necessarily give a crap about any of this stuff. I'm not even thinking about this in terms of dev motivations at all. 

I know, I was just joking around. 

[NKKKK]

[Scimal]

They could bounce matter off of the 5th dimension, bypassing the physical Universe entirely.

Drift could be nothing more than rounding by the relays as matter re-enters Space-Time.

[didymos1120]

Scimal wrote...

They could bounce matter off of the 5th dimension, bypassing the physical Universe entirely.

Drift could be nothing more than rounding by the relays as matter re-enters Space-Time.

Uh, if there are additional dimensions, they're just as much a part of the physical universe as the other, familiar four.

[Autoclave]

One think i like about mass relays, is that you don't even need FTL technology to be able to use them. You just need to approach them with a ship or even Mako That means, that you could potentially travel to star systems that contain the relay before you can even have FTL and travel to other star systems in the same cluster.

[didymos1120]

Autoclave wrote...

You just need to approach them with a ship or even Mako

Saren apparently did it on foot.

[Tazzmission]

im not a science major but if i had to guess id say it is a machine that basicly is a wormhole that cuts through time in order to reach a shorter version of faster than light travel.... it may sound laughable but top know scientists do believe that worm holes possibly could be a shortcut for space travel.

[MrFob]

didymos1120 wrote...

Autoclave wrote...

You just need to approach them with a ship or even Mako

Saren apparently did it on foot.

He probably used his green-goblin-ai-surf-board-glider-thingy.

Anyway, who cares how they work, now that wwe can blow them up.

[didymos1120]

MrFob wrote...

He probably used his green-goblin-ai-surf-board-glider-thingy.

I always forget about that thing.  Where did he keep it anyway?  I guess he just had some geth roadies or something offscreen.

[MrFob]

didymos1120 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

He probably used his green-goblin-ai-surf-board-glider-thingy.

I always forget about that thing.  Where did he keep it anyway?  I guess he just had some geth roadies or something offscreen.

Might be a geth construction and be an simple AI. It's probably more like riding a horse rather than driving a car.
Oh, the possibilities: Saren: "No, go left, not that far left! What? You want to roll over? NOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!":D

[Thrombin]

didymos1120 wrote...
Uh, if there are additional dimensions, they're just as much a part of the physical universe as the other, familiar four.

Actually, the 4th dimension is considered to be Time which isn't physical at all, so there's no reason to describe the 5th dimension as physical in the traditional sense.

I suspect Worm holes are basically a 5th dimension in that they travel tangentially to space time which is our concept of the standard four dimensions.

I really don't understand why there's any question about it. The Codex says it's a corridor through space time, Worm holes are a corridor through space time. They completely explain instantaneous travel and the fact that there is nothing to hit on the way.

They are a staple of pretty much every sci-fi show I can think of which involves faster than light travel (Babylon 5's jump gates, Star Trek's warping, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape...)  I'm struggling to think of a sci-fi show that doesn't use the concept.

Why is there any question that it's not the same idea for ME?

Regards

Julian 

[didymos1120]

Thrombin wrote...
Actually, the 4th dimension is considered to be Time which isn't physical at all, so there's no reason to describe the 5th dimension as physical in the traditional sense.

You seem to be taking "physical" to mean something roughly like "material".  I'm not.  I'm using it in the "physical quantity" sense.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 avril 2011 - 09:53 .

[Thrombin]

didymos1120 wrote...

Thrombin wrote...
Actually, the 4th dimension is considered to be Time which isn't physical at all, so there's no reason to describe the 5th dimension as physical in the traditional sense.

You seem to be taking "physical" to mean something roughly like "material".  I'm not.  I'm using it in the "physical quantity" sense.

I wouldn't have thought 'Time' qualifies as a physical quantity so I'm not sure why any other dimensions would but, either way, as long as there is no 'material' in the ME corridor then there is no chance of any collisions with it, which should address the issue that the OP had.

Regards

Julian

[Almostfaceman]

Thrombin wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Uh, if there are additional dimensions, they're just as much a part of the physical universe as the other, familiar four.

Actually, the 4th dimension is considered to be Time which isn't physical at all, so there's no reason to describe the 5th dimension as physical in the traditional sense.

I suspect Worm holes are basically a 5th dimension in that they travel tangentially to space time which is our concept of the standard four dimensions.

I really don't understand why there's any question about it. The Codex says it's a corridor through space time, Worm holes are a corridor through space time. They completely explain instantaneous travel and the fact that there is nothing to hit on the way.

They are a staple of pretty much every sci-fi show I can think of which involves faster than light travel (Babylon 5's jump gates, Star Trek's warping, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape...)  I'm struggling to think of a sci-fi show that doesn't use the concept.

Why is there any question that it's not the same idea for ME?

Regards

Julian 

I don't have a problem with this "wormhole" explanation. 

[Phaedon]

The mass of the object is changed in a way to fold a specific area of space in order for the ship to arrive at the next Mass Relay, at least that's my theory.

Of course, you can fold space, as you wish, and that's why you'll have to switch from a mass relay to another to arrive at your destination.

[Valikdu]

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[Dave666]

Valikdu wrote...

http://t0.gstatic.co...c_7viUVOExrs2rg

*Sigh* So Element Zero is Naquadah?

[Whereto]

well if it creates a mass free corridor, wouldn't all the mass in that corridor be much much lighter, so a space rock weighting 0.2grams which would be otherwise dangerous would weight 0.0000002grams thus being ineffectual and easily shrugged off by the mass effect shields.

[didymos1120]

Whereto wrote...

well if it creates a mass free corridor, wouldn't all the mass in that corridor be much much lighter, so a space rock weighting 0.2grams which would be otherwise dangerous would weight 0.0000002grams thus being ineffectual and easily shrugged off by the mass effect shields.

What does it do to planets or stars then?  Such obstructions will inevitably intersect with the corridors if they're in normal space.  That could cause some very...interesting...effects.  Especially if the corridor only screws with part of the body in question, leaving the rest unaffected.

[Whereto]

didymos1120 wrote...

Whereto wrote...

well if it creates a mass free corridor, wouldn't all the mass in that corridor be much much lighter, so a space rock weighting 0.2grams which would be otherwise dangerous would weight 0.0000002grams thus being ineffectual and easily shrugged off by the mass effect shields.

What does it do to planets or stars then?  Such obstructions will inevitably intersect with the corridors if they're in normal space.  That could cause some very...interesting...effects.  Especially if the corridor only screws with part of the body in question, leaving the rest unaffected.

Ah we are at this point in the discussion, sorry didnt know. Well i propose to your problem this:

Relays were placed so they had  clear views to their counter part most of the time. Before a ship is allowed to shoot to the the next relay, the current relay shoots a signal to the seconday reciever and if it doesnt get a reply back, it classes it as blocked. From there the relay looks for the closest open relay. Once it find a clear one it sents to ship over. So cut short, your sling shot from one relay to another till u get at your desired one. If this theory holds true, the reason they dont show it in the game, could be cause its pointless. Its a game and know one wants to wait for 30 jumps till thier ship gets to the location. Sure it might do that in the game just we dont know, cause like i said its unimportant

Begin your disection !

[Scimal]

didymos1120 wrote...

Scimal wrote...

They could bounce matter off of the 5th dimension, bypassing the physical Universe entirely.

Drift could be nothing more than rounding by the relays as matter re-enters Space-Time.

Uh, if there are additional dimensions, they're just as much a part of the physical universe as the other, familiar four.

That's rather nitpicky.

Bouncing around the 5th dimension allows re-entry into any point in space-time, bypassing any particles that exist in space-time since you're effectively outside it. I doubt that's how the Relays work, though, since the Reapers would be capable of time travel to any era in which the Relays exist.

Instead, maybe the corridors the Relays create are both massless and energy-less, since the two are interchangable. Without mass or energy, outside particles couldn't affect anything inside the corridor since there's nothing to transfer energy to or rob energy from. That would give a clean shot, no matter the interference, to the corresponding relay - which integrates the ships back into matter and energy.

Maybe the giant Eezo cores are just giant 0/0 detectors that are used to interpret changes in a force we don't know aobut.

[Almostfaceman]

If it's creating a virtually no mass corridor through time-space and it's agreed it's a wormhole - why can't the method of avoiding other mass be the effect of the folding of space? If space is folded (I know, I know, it's a very simplified diagram) then that effectively cuts a shortcut of sorts around all matter between point A and B. No?

[Thrombin]

Scimal wrote...
Bouncing around the 5th dimension allows re-entry into any point in space-time, bypassing any particles that exist in space-time since you're effectively outside it. I doubt that's how the Relays work, though, since the Reapers would be capable of time travel to any era in which the Relays exist.

I think that's a bit of a stretch.  Few, if any, of the other sci-fi shows which use worm holes have them as anything other than a short cut from one point in space to another. No time travel involved.

The possibility of using Worm Holes to travel in time is no reason to dismiss them as the theory behind the relays as that's just one possibility (and I believe not one considered possible by modern Science). All you have to do is say that they can bend space and not time and you're sorted