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[FellowerOfOdin]

Volourn wrote...

DA2 = better writing,s tory, and characters

Oh crap, my troll radar just exploded.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...




The guys at my local GameStop actually warn people who are buying it, no joke.

People even refused to buy it when offered the official guide as well.

[Romantiq]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Volourn wrote...

DA2 = better writing,s tory, and characters

Excuse me while I go cry in that corner over there.

Indeed.

I don't know about you Volourn but characters like Morrigan, Alistair, Loghain, Oghren, Leliana and Zevran are very, very memorable compared to the ones we got in DA2. Hell, even Sandal, Merill, Isabella, Cullen and so on are from Origins.
I don't agree to better writting and story but you're welcome to your opinion.

Modifié par Romantiq, 16 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[Romantiq]

Volourn wrote...

"and the 'story' was all about Varric and Anders. Hawke wasn't important."

Varric and Anders were not the story. Anders was just a blip on the radar. And, Varric was the storyteller. Hawke was the story. the story is all about Jawke.

Unlike DA1. whose story is all about the Archdemon. From starting custscnee to ending cutscne - it's all about stopping the archdemon.

It's also about political turmoil with Loghain taking over the country.

[naughty99]

DTKT wrote...

I do believe that "shipped" =/ "sold".

So you might ship 1 mil units but only sell 500k.

Sure, this is true, even worse (on very rare occasions, Walmart can return as much 80-90% of its orders for DVDs and games, for example), but it is the same story for all the games on the chart. Those key account returns can come back much later and AFAIK they don't get reported in the published numbers for any of the games being tracked. It's not like box office receipts, where there is a clear picture of how many tickets were sold.

The VGChartz tally for PC boxed version units sold showed almost the same numbers as the PS3 units for the first couple of weeks. It's not so common for PC sales to be nearly as high as PS3 sales.

Adding those to the OP's total for Xbox and PS3 brings the total well above 1 million over the 5 weeks. No idea how many PC digital downloads were sold, but whatever it is that is on top of the rest.

I still think DA2 will reach 2m units over time across all platforms including PC and digital downloads. Certainly there will be some returns from key accounts, but no idea what % that would be. Eventually there will be discount sales and "ultimate" editions, etc. 

(Edit: and regarding the SEC fining companies - movie studios do this all the time for DVDS. The returns come back later and in the meantime, technically you have "sold" a certain number of discs to retailers.)

Modifié par naughty99, 16 avril 2011 - 08:13 .

[Baelyn]

Gatt9 wrote...

No it didn't.  Go reread Bioware's post,  they do not claim at all to have sold 1 million units,  they claim to have moved 1 million units.  They cannot use the word "Sold" unless they can definitvely show they did,  as the SEC would fine the heck out of them because they're publicly traded. 

So by virtue of the fact that they did not state they "Sold" 1 million units,  we can definitively confirm they did not sell 1 million units.  The only reason not to use the word is because you didn't do it,  but you want people to think you did,  so you carefully craft a statement designed to make the reader think "Sold" instead of shipped.

IGN says differently.

Modifié par Baelyn, 16 avril 2011 - 07:31 .

[UltiPup]

Sales do not always show how great a game is.

Okami on the PS2? Sales were effing terrible and yet it was given a Game of the Year.

[daemon1129]

Baelyn wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No it didn't.  Go reread Bioware's post,  they do not claim at all to have sold 1 million units,  they claim to have moved 1 million units.  They cannot use the word "Sold" unless they can definitvely show they did,  as the SEC would fine the heck out of them because they're publicly traded. 

So by virtue of the fact that they did not state they "Sold" 1 million units,  we can definitively confirm they did not sell 1 million units.  The only reason not to use the word is because you didn't do it,  but you want people to think you did,  so you carefully craft a statement designed to make the reader think "Sold" instead of shipped.

IGN says differently.

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start –
breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than
Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support,"

That is so full of crap it's sad.  We supported you, and what did we get in return?  Not only for those who have already bought the game won't get ME2 for free, most of us already have the game anyways, so its just fail marketing.  They should give us something we don't have yet.

[UltiPup]

daemon1129 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No it didn't.  Go reread Bioware's post,  they do not claim at all to have sold 1 million units,  they claim to have moved 1 million units.  They cannot use the word "Sold" unless they can definitvely show they did,  as the SEC would fine the heck out of them because they're publicly traded. 

So by virtue of the fact that they did not state they "Sold" 1 million units,  we can definitively confirm they did not sell 1 million units.  The only reason not to use the word is because you didn't do it,  but you want people to think you did,  so you carefully craft a statement designed to make the reader think "Sold" instead of shipped.

IGN says differently.

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start –
breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than
Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support,"

That is so full of crap it's sad.  We supported you, and what did we get in return?  Not only for those who have already bought the game won't get ME2 for free, most of us already have the game anyways, so its just fail marketing.  They should give us something we don't have yet.

You should be grateful that Bioware is doing something to try to please your fickleness. Stop being so selfish.

[Mysterygent]

The Corporate wrote...

It'll break 1mil on both combined, but in a fortnight or so.

Will it break 2mil, even across all platforms? Not a chance in hell.

You have to start wondering if this game was loss-making at this point. Either way, it beggars belief that BioWare are still trying to spin it as a success and Laidlaw refuses to admit that his "streamline everything fun out of the game" approach was a backwards step.

It seems Laidlaw also streamlined the sales out of the game too!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

man giraffe dog3 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg...2/dragon-age-ii

So...

Yeah.

Not looking real good.  Probably will only just barely break 1 million on 360 and PS3 lifetime COMBINED.

I'd love to be a fly (or a man giraffe dog) in Biowares offices right now.  I bet they all mad n beefin wit each other yo.

[...]

I wonder why people didnt buy it.  Surely it must be a good game, right?

I suppose your stats don't take into account the people who have returned their games because bugs made them unplayable?

It's a month after launch and there's STILL an issue on the PC that prevents the game from launching. I'm aware of several people who have since handed the game back (and probably warned their friends).

[mdugger12]

First lets start with information from NPD about Video game sales

http://www.digitaltr...6-pct-in-march/

Homefront Sales
360: http://gamrreview.vg...4846/homefront/
PS3: http://gamrreview.vg...4845/homefront/

Bulletstorm Sales

http://gamrreview.vg...09/bulletstorm/
http://gamrreview.vg...08/bulletstorm/

First few weeks of Crysis 2

http://gamrreview.vg...35001/crysis-2/

Dragon Age II is selling par for the course. Video Games as a whole aren't selling very well compared to numbers we would normally see. And if you look at the the percentage of drop off every week, DA2 is actually doing better than would be expected.

Stop throwing these ridiculous threads up. I've said a million times you can't use raw numbers out of context to prove your point. If you just want that warm feeling of validation that others share in your hate for this game just look for one of the many threads and get your fix. But don't try to use any facts to back up your feelings. You'll look foolish.

Modifié par mdugger12, 16 avril 2011 - 08:03 .

[Everwarden]

Mysterygent wrote...
It seems Laidlaw also streamlined the sales out of the game too!

I award you +1 internets for this post. 

[naughty99]

The Corporate wrote...

Will it break 2mil, even across all platforms? Not a chance in hell.

Are you sure about that?

The same source (VGChartz) reports 235k for PC boxed version, 305k for PS3 and 650k for Xbox.

That works out to 1.2m units for the first five weeks, excluding the PC digital downloads sales.

I think the total for all platforms including digital downloads is very likely to reach 2m units, especially when you consider sales and promotions later in the year when they release more DLC and special editions, as well as special publisher sales on Steam, etc. 

Modifié par naughty99, 16 avril 2011 - 08:08 .

[Everwarden]

mdugger12 wrote...
Stop throwing these ridiculous threads up. I've said a million times you can't use raw numbers out of context to prove your point.

The context was set by Bioware themselves, who anticipated DA2 selling 4.5-5 million copies. That obviously is never going to happen. Hell, I'd be shocked if they manage to break 2 million. 

 But don't try to use any facts to back up your feelings. You'll look foolish.

Unless the facts back our position, which they do. Sorry if you don't like that DA2 isn't selling well ("well" is not a subjective term, Bioware set an objective goal and at the current rate of sales they won't hit the halfway mark), but that's just the state of reality right now. Perhaps you should go around spreading the word of how awesome DA2 is? Bioware would appreciate the free advertising, I'm sure. 

[mykeme]

man giraffe dog3 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg...2/dragon-age-ii

So let me get this straight: these numbers are for number of copies "moved", not sold, and they don't account for any returns? That's... sad.

Modifié par mykeme, 16 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[mdugger12]

Everwarden wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...
Stop throwing these ridiculous threads up. I've said a million times you can't use raw numbers out of context to prove your point.

The context was set by Bioware themselves, who anticipated DA2 selling 4.5-5 million copies. That obviously is never going to happen. Hell, I'd be shocked if they manage to break 2 million. 

 But don't try to use any facts to back up your feelings. You'll look foolish.

Unless the facts back our position, which they do. Sorry if you don't like that DA2 isn't selling well ("well" is not a subjective term, Bioware set an objective goal and at the current rate of sales they won't hit the halfway mark), but that's just the state of reality right now. Perhaps you should go around spreading the word of how awesome DA2 is? Bioware would appreciate the free advertising, I'm sure. 

But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now. It doesn't matter what they hoped they sell or what number you'll be shocked they hit. No spring release is doing those numbers. And since DA 2 is on par with the mainstream releases that you "feel" it was striving to imitate then I guess Bioware did its job right?

[daemon1129]

UltiPup wrote...

daemon1129 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

No it didn't.  Go reread Bioware's post,  they do not claim at all to have sold 1 million units,  they claim to have moved 1 million units.  They cannot use the word "Sold" unless they can definitvely show they did,  as the SEC would fine the heck out of them because they're publicly traded. 

So by virtue of the fact that they did not state they "Sold" 1 million units,  we can definitively confirm they did not sell 1 million units.  The only reason not to use the word is because you didn't do it,  but you want people to think you did,  so you carefully craft a statement designed to make the reader think "Sold" instead of shipped.

IGN says differently.

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start –
breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than
Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support,"

That is so full of crap it's sad.  We supported you, and what did we get in return?  Not only for those who have already bought the game won't get ME2 for free, most of us already have the game anyways, so its just fail marketing.  They should give us something we don't have yet.

You should be grateful that Bioware is doing something to try to please your fickleness. Stop being so selfish.

Yes I have learn my lesson and won't preorder a game ever again, however if you think giving ME2 away in a way of rewarding fans or to increase sales is a good stradegy, I'm going have to disagee with you.

[Everwarden]

mdugger12 wrote...
But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now.

So your argument is that the game isn't selling not because of overwhelming dislike for the direction and the glaring flaws, but because springtime isn't "game season"? Sorry, no sell. 

Honestly this is the most desperate, blatant reach for an excuse to dismiss the bad sales I've seen since someone tried to blame the earthquake. 

[Rixxencaxx]

400.000 are preorders and will not materialize on da3 after this bad game.
In the end the game is a gigantic fail especially if you take into account the damage to Bioware reputation and the possible effect on ME3 preorders....

[TJSolo]

mdugger12 wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...
Stop throwing these ridiculous threads up. I've said a million times you can't use raw numbers out of context to prove your point.

The context was set by Bioware themselves, who anticipated DA2 selling 4.5-5 million copies. That obviously is never going to happen. Hell, I'd be shocked if they manage to break 2 million. 

 But don't try to use any facts to back up your feelings. You'll look foolish.

Unless the facts back our position, which they do. Sorry if you don't like that DA2 isn't selling well ("well" is not a subjective term, Bioware set an objective goal and at the current rate of sales they won't hit the halfway mark), but that's just the state of reality right now. Perhaps you should go around spreading the word of how awesome DA2 is? Bioware would appreciate the free advertising, I'm sure. 

But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now. It doesn't matter what they hoped they sell or what number you'll be shocked they hit. No spring release is doing those numbers. And since DA 2 is on par with the mainstream releases that you "feel" it was striving to imitate then I guess Bioware did its job right?

There was no such conclusion about video games not selling, your NPD link concludes that the total amount of cash made from physical game sales are down because of the lack of AAA titles for the month but that conclusion could be refuted with sales figures from digital sales.

Modifié par TJSolo, 16 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[Baelyn]

Everwarden wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...
But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now.

So your argument is that the game isn't selling not because of overwhelming dislike for the direction and the glaring flaws, but because springtime isn't "game season"? Sorry, no sell. 

Honestly this is the most desperate, blatant reach for an excuse to dismiss the bad sales I've seen since someone tried to blame the earthquake. 

How is comparing a MAINSTREAM game's sales in a given time period to other MAINSTREAM game's sales in the same time period and finding them on par a desparate reach?

I'm not seeing your logic here at all. His point is entirely valid.

[naughty99]

mdugger12 wrote...

But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now. It doesn't matter what they hoped they sell or what number you'll be shocked they hit. No spring release is doing those numbers. And since DA 2 is on par with the mainstream releases that you "feel" it was striving to imitate then I guess Bioware did its job right?

You make a great point here mdugger. 

Personally I enjoyed the game and I suspect there are a lot out there who might eventually be inclined to buy a copy at some point but are holding off on their purchase decision because of early negative reviews and reports of bugs.  

Modifié par naughty99, 16 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[mdugger12]

Everwarden wrote...

mdugger12 wrote...
But reality has nothing to do with how good or bad either one of us feel the game is. The reality is video games just aren't selling right now.

So your argument is that the game isn't selling not because of overwhelming dislike for the direction and the glaring flaws, but because springtime isn't "game season"? Sorry, no sell. 

Honestly this is the most desperate, blatant reach for an excuse to dismiss the bad sales I've seen since someone tried to blame the earthquake. 

You can say that but I used the top FPS released in the same time period to back up my statement. Every last one of them expected to do huge sales and they actually have the review scores to back up getting those numbers. It isn't happening. 

I never gave my opinion on DA 2. I never said if I thought it was great or not. But It doesn't matter.  The industry isn't moving units the way it was predicted they would. So just because Bioware was wrong on a sales forecast doesn't mean that DA 2 isn't holding it's own against the 3 top FPS released this spring. I don't see how that proves that nobody likes the game.