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[Dragoonlordz]

Volourn wrote...

"I don't know about you Volourn but characters like Morrigan, Alistair, Loghain, Oghren, Leliana and Zevran are very, very memorable compared to the ones we got in DA2. "

Morrigan is awesome. Allistair is crap. Loghain is alright. Oghren is the worst dwarven npc ever in a BIO game. Leliana is alright. Zevran is plain garbage.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!



I as well as many others think Alistairs humour shines through and is one of the big highlights of the game.

"And I say half of the DA2 sales it owes to DA:O."

You'd be wrong. Both DA1, and DA2 owe their high sales to BIO's reputation that have managed to gain over the past 10+ years with games like BG, BG2, NWN, JE (despite it being on the lower end sales wise), KOTOR, and ME1.

DA1 deserves no credit since it probably had people loathe it who opted out of DA2 because they hated DA1. R00fles!

Not really when most people preorder a titles because it's a follow up to a previous same franchise/series/IP not because it's from a specific developer. When it comes to new IPs even within same developer people aren't sheep they look at the new IP itself before preordering because it has a vastly larger chance it won't be what they want as opposed to second in a series of the same IP.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 avril 2011 - 03:59 .

[Volourn]

"(Also how do you know I have glasses?)"

II didn't. It's a figure of speech basically styating that you are looking at things wrong.


"No no, its a bit of both. "

No, it's not a bit of both. It's all because of BIO. Period. DA1 is a symptom not the cause. BIO games sell. Period.


"HOW DARE YOU!!!!

I as well as many others think Alistairs humour shines through and is one of the biggest highlights of the game."

You, and manyn others, are wrong. If I want humouir from DA1, I'll turn to Shale. The one good thing about Alisatir is he's better than Oghren. Oh, and I like the fact he stands his ground when it comes to delaing with Loghain depsitecertain players being butthurt over it.

Modifié par Volourn, 16 avril 2011 - 03:59 .

[AkiKishi]

Volourn wrote...

"(Also how do you know I have glasses?)"

II didn't. It's a figure of speech basically styating that you are looking at things wrong.


"No no, its a bit of both. "

No, it's not a bit of both. It's all because of BIO. Period. DA1 is a symptom not the cause. BIO games sell. Period.

Explain then the people who bought DA2 and did not already have ME2 when the freebie came up. If sales were purely down to the Bioware brand then everyone would have ME2 already.

[Dragoonlordz]

Volourn wrote...

You, and manyn others, are wrong.

The moment you applied that logic all further comments by you became redundant.

Thanks for participating so far but from this point anything you say cannot be taken seriously.

[nopho]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

"(Also how do you know I have glasses?)"

II didn't. It's a figure of speech basically styating that you are looking at things wrong.


"No no, its a bit of both. "

No, it's not a bit of both. It's all because of BIO. Period. DA1 is a symptom not the cause. BIO games sell. Period.

Explain then the people who bought DA2 and did not already have ME2 when the freebie came up. If sales were purely down to the Bioware brand then everyone would have ME2 already.

bob, i may call you bob right?
so bob, i found you writing many smart posts here so i wonder, why do you still react on volourn? didn't anyone tell you that it is useless? you can't outargue someone who uses no arguments andf is immune to them. every answer will just create a new generic trolling.


on another note, you are right, DA2 being from bioware was just some backup for me i thought, i did buy DA2 because it was..DA TWO. i had no copy of any mass effect title at this point.

Modifié par nopho, 16 avril 2011 - 04:02 .

[MingWolf]

Volourn wrote...

"(Also how do you know I have glasses?)"

II didn't. It's a figure of speech basically styating that you are looking at things wrong.


"No no, its a bit of both. "

No, it's not a bit of both. It's all because of BIO. Period. DA1 is a symptom not the cause. BIO games sell. Period.


"HOW DARE YOU!!!!

I as well as many others think Alistairs humour shines through and is one of the biggest highlights of the game."

You, and manyn others, are wrong. If I want humouir from DA1, I'll turn to Shale. The one good thing about Alisatir is he's better than Oghren. Oh, and I like the fact he stands his ground when it comes to delaing with Loghain depsitecertain players being butthurt over it.

Hah, symptom and not the cause, I love it.  And we're all wrong.  Your doing this on purpose aern't you? 

The company is Bioware, by the way. 

[Volourn]

Because, nothing is absolute, obviously. It's not like every BIO game sells exactly the same. Afterall, every BIO has not sold 2mil copies on the button. JE - which sold 'only' 1.5-2mil- copies is proof of this.

But, the trend doesn't lie. BIO games tend to sell in a certain range. That's why the silly taken out of context '10mil copy' quote is not to be takens eriosuly. No BIo game will ever sell that much. Evar.

Let's not forget that there are plenty of people who bought DA1 and hated it so chose to opt out of DA2. Heck, there are liekly people who bought DA1, hated it, but like BIO so much they went out and bunch DA2 anyways. Just like there are people who are hating on DA2 who will likely be there to buy DA3 when(if) it comes. Afterall, NWN was supposed to be the death of BIO yet until DA1/ME2 came along, NWN was BIO's most successful game.

BIO's core fan base may change but the numbers have been pretty solid. DA2 will not change this.


"so bob, i found you writing many smart posts here so i wonder, why do you still react on volourn? "

Because Bob is a cool dude who doesn't take things personally or too seriously. No harm no foul.


P.S. BIO isthe kewl way to refer to bioware as bioware just is not. Sorry.

Modifié par Volourn, 16 avril 2011 - 04:06 .

[AkiKishi]

nopho wrote...
bob, i may call you bob right?
so bob, i found you writing many smart posts here so i wonder, why do you still react on volourn? didn't anyone tell you that it is useless? you can't outargue someone who uses no arguments andf is immune to them. every answer will just create a new generic trolling.


on another note, you are right, DA2 being from bioware was just some backup for me i thought, i did buy DA2 because it was..DA TWO. i had no copy of any mass effect title at this point.

Bob is fine ,hardly anyone calls me MrSmith.

I was not aware of that, thanks for the heads up.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 16 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[Night Prowler76]

Volourn wrote...

"Not looking real good. Probably will only just barely break 1 million on 360 and PS3 lifetime COMBINED."

It alreayd broke a million sales, and it did it in 2 weeks. vgcharts is fantasy numbers. Plain and simple.

btw, It did finish 4th overall in sales (no numbers available) for March which is pretty good for a RPG by BIO according to NPD which while not 100% accurate or covering all sales, it is a hell of a heck lot more trustworthy than vgchartz.

Actually your entire post is false, when BioWare announced they had over 1 million sales, VGchartz also had the game listed as selling just over 1 million copies across 3 platforms, so I guess by your logic BioWare is liing about the sales as well and are just guessing right? I mean the numbers matched, so either both are fairly accurate or not accurate, you cant have your cake and it too, people who think VGcharts are way off are just out of touch, are they 100 percent accurate? No, but they are fairly close in their numbers most of the time, so quit SAYING VGCHARTS IS WRONG WHEN THEIR NUMBERS ARE THE SAME AS BIOWARE'S.

[Volourn]

No, their numbers are not the same as BIO. We don't even have BIO numbers outside of a very vague 1mil+.

VGCHARTZ does their numbers out fo sheer guess work, and randomness (aka randomly calling random stores than multipying it by number of stores). That's a rather poor way to do things.  It doesn't count online sales at all.

Modifié par Volourn, 16 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[MorrigansLove]

Maybe it will finally get through to Bioware now that DA2 is not a good game?

[Guldor]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble kid but DA2 is still the best selling RPG for PC on Amazon.co.uk

Click

Wow AMAZON UK, yes that means a lot.

[John Forseti]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Maybe it will finally get through to Bioware now that DA2 is not a good game?

DA2 is a good game, its just unfortunate to find itself the sequel of a great game.

[Night Prowler76]

mdugger12 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


ME2 came close to 3mil sales, baring in mind they also made some big changes. Without those changes could it have hit 4mil, possibly but no way of knowing for sure. According to VG DAO made 3.66mil sales, over it's lifetime so far, could DA2 have hit 4mil if had stuck closer to DAO and further from Darksiders, I think so.
 

I'm not even going to go down that road. ME 2 made HUGE changes and became GOY material because of them. But the reason I brought up ME2's PS3 numbers is because even a game that we know what kind of sales its capable of hasn't even moved 400k on the PS3. The market is sluggish. Thats all DA2 sales figures prove. The fans aren't "sticking it" to Bioware and showing they're unhappy. The fans are broke.

The PS3 doesnt have a very good attach rate for any game except the odd exclusive or COD etc, their numbers are always really low, even if the game is really good. 
  If game is really good, it will sell decently on any platform, sure there is a economic slow down, but look at COD Black OPS, it sold like crazy and beat all the cod records and it is still selling like crazy, (all in the slow economy), Im not saying its a super game, but it is good and it beat MW2's records easily, so your logic is a bit flawed.

[Night Prowler76]

Volourn wrote...

No, their numbers are not the same as BIO. We don't even have BIO numbers outside of a very vague 1mil+.

VGCHARTZ does their numbers out fo sheer guess work, and randomness (aka randomly calling random stores than multipying it by number of stores). That's a rather poor way to do things.  It doesn't count online sales at all.

  Oh shoot, Im sorry, I didnt tell you I was finished with you and your lack of intelligence,  I should have made that clear, please poke your head back in the sand and forget reality called. *pats you on head*

[Guldor]

Volourn wrote...

No, their numbers are not the same as BIO. We don't even have BIO numbers outside of a very vague 1mil+.

VGCHARTZ does their numbers out fo sheer guess work, and randomness (aka randomly calling random stores than multipying it by number of stores). That's a rather poor way to do things.  It doesn't count online sales at all.

Well their sells are steadily falling, unlike DAO, still cannot be good.

[Jerrybnsn]

[quote]mdugger12 wrote...

[quote]Elton John is dead wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble kid but DA2 is still the best selling RPG for PC on Amazon.co.uk

Click

[/quote]


Oh let's not let this get buried since everyone seemed to ignore it the first time.[/quote

  What is the importance of this?  Does this mean we are ignoring.....what?  I believe the subject is that DAII sales in week five have dropped off dramatically.

[aries1001]

I went to my local electronics store today (they sell games, too). And there was only 1(1!) copy of DA:O Ultimate Edition left, while the 6 copies I saw for DA2 for

Also, on the back of the box it says something like 'you're Hawk, forced to flee your homeland. You must climb the social ladder to restore honour and decide your fade' or something like that. (and in Danish for some reason - why? - it is not a kid's game --- most damish people can read and understand English quite well...)And I thought to myself, if I didn't know that this game was from Bioware, and that the horned guy was a Quanari, I wouldn't bother with the game either. On the back of the box for DA: Origins, it said this: "as the last of the grey wardens, you must now fight to unite your homeland, slay the arcdemon, and look into treachery' or something similar. Very much better and also very much better in describing the content of the game; I actually want to play DA: Origins after reading this.

If the back of the DA2 box had said something like - 'participate in world changing events, deal with ruthless enemies, discover lost treasure' and 'choose between four play modes' (and then listed them) as well as mentioned this 'play as male or female', I bet more people would have bought it. As I understand it, playing in hard or nightmare mode makes this game, DA2, more tactical.

And the people at Gamestop should not be warning people against buying certain games - they should sell the game(s) that people want to them, the people, of course. And it is no wonders that people are not buying that many games anymore...people don't have much money anymore, it seems...

[The Angry One]

BioWare's marketing and box design have always been substandard.
Instead of focusing on the unique aspects, they just give an impression of another generic sci-fi or fantasy game the market is saturated with.
For example, Mass Effect 2's box and promotions show only one thing. A generic sci-fi shooter with a generic space marine. The dialog, adventure aspects and character customisation are barely touched upon at all.. if they're even mentioned.

[The Corporate]

The Angry One wrote...

BioWare's marketing and box design have always been substandard.
Instead of focusing on the unique aspects, they just give an impression of another generic sci-fi or fantasy game the market is saturated with.
For example, Mass Effect 2's box and promotions show only one thing. A generic sci-fi shooter with a generic space marine. The dialog, adventure aspects and character customisation are barely touched upon at all.. if they're even mentioned.

How on Earth are they meant to get any of those things on to a box cover? A Shepard with five customised heads and speech bubbles?

[The Angry One]

The Corporate wrote...

How on Earth are they meant to get any of those things on to a box cover? A Shepard with five customised heads and speech bubbles?

a) No mascot. There's no need for a mascot. There are plenty of things you can put on the cover that don't involve Sheploo.

 A couple of lines detailing character customisation and dialog, etc.

c) Show a shot of the chargen screen. Why not? Contrary to popular belief, a lot of people are very interested in such a feature. Hell, it's among the first questions fans ask about a new BioWare or TES/Fallout game.

[Warheadz]

The Angry One wrote...

BioWare's marketing and box design have always been substandard.
Instead of focusing on the unique aspects, they just give an impression of another generic sci-fi or fantasy game the market is saturated with.
For example, Mass Effect 2's box and promotions show only one thing. A generic sci-fi shooter with a generic space marine. The dialog, adventure aspects and character customisation are barely touched upon at all.. if they're even mentioned.

I think they should just slap a Shepard rapeface- sticker to every Bioware game with the words: Shepard Approves!

[Otterwarden]

SoR82 wrote...

I think ive gianed more enjoyment from these forums since release than i did playing the game itself XD

I'll reiterate that sentiment.  It's been very entertaining watching Bioware take on their base in an RPG offering.  Never a wise move; but, whereas a similar play by Activision with the CoD crowd would probably just spark a "shoot first and ask questions later" response, Bioware's fans have picked apart every possible rationale, investigated every fault, provided solutions, analyzed lore.,.. basically role played it from every angle and followed the trees down every nook and crany.  After all, it's what they love to do

Nopho pointed out that at a little over one month from release

you can buy it for ~14pounds and get ME2 for free wich costs 10pounds. you pay 4pounds for DA2, nice price.

As a PC player, I would call that game, set and match

Modifié par Otterwarden, 16 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Stegoceras]

mdugger12 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble kid but DA2 is still the best selling RPG for PC on Amazon.co.uk

Click

Oh let's not let this get buried since everyone seemed to ignore it the first time.

This one made me laugh, really. have you guys even checked it beyond looking what's on number 1?
It just shows that if you pick the right options you can easily bend something like this to your own advantage.

The poster not only picked the list of rpg's but also picked the pc, because that's the only platform that had this game on top. Beyond the obvious fact that you can probably pick a dozen other sites where the game is not on the top of bestsellers, so take these kind of post with a grain of salt.

Beyond that I'm not going to air my opinion on how well this game has sold, because to be honest, I don't know, I just know I'm not the kind of customer they seem to have in mind when they made this.

Modifié par Stegoceras, 16 avril 2011 - 07:54 .