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[Nightwriter]

*still doesn't understand what was bad about the game*

[Persephone]

Zjarcal wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

LOL, it is funny since I can only see the reflexive defenders of the game in every thread. It truly is a matter of perspective.

The ratio of Anti-DA2 posters to "defenders" has got to be more like 70% to 30%. Maybe you pay more attention to the defenders, but there's definitely more negative posters on the forums at the moment. Well, on the general discussion forum anyway. I've noticed that most everyone who's actually enjoying the game sticks to the Companion forum. I should do that too.



A; path=/; domai

Strange, isn't it? How positive the Spoiler Forums are (Where you actually need to know the game well enough to participate). Must be a conspiracy of us Biodrones.

[Persephone]

Nightwriter wrote...

*still doesn't understand what was bad about the game*

Like any Bioware game, DAII had its strengths and weaknesses.

I could write pages about how DAO is just as "awful" if I were to apply the same rigid standards on DAO.

But I love them both, flaws included.

[neppakyo]

Persephone wrote...

Like any Bioware game, DAII had its strengths and weaknesses.

I could write pages about how DAO is just as "awful" if I were to apply the same rigid standards on DAO.

But I love them both, flaws included.

I can get by the flaws in DA:O, love that game, I can get by the flaws in The Witcher 1, but some reason I can't in DA2. They're too in your face to me, and the combat(and wave spawns)/quest really dragged the fun factory down the toilet.

The story and writing are decent, but the whole package (to me) was executed poorly.

Make sense, Pepsi?

[Persephone]

neppakyo wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Like any Bioware game, DAII had its strengths and weaknesses.

I could write pages about how DAO is just as "awful" if I were to apply the same rigid standards on DAO.

But I love them both, flaws included.

I can get by the flaws in DA:O, love that game, I can get by the flaws in The Witcher 1, but some reason I can't in DA2. They're too in your face to me, and the combat(and wave spawns)/quest really dragged the fun factory down the toilet.

The story and writing are decent, but the whole package (to me) was executed poorly.

Make sense, Pepsi?

Sure it does, Cocey. One man's trash is another man's jewel and all that. I guess me not caring for combat (In Bioware games) plays a part here. I play on casual and only hurry through the battles to get to the next cutscene.:happy:

[Mad-Max90]

Actually the whole story/lack of a proper ending to cash in on dlc and the fact that we were promised choices only to play the game with no real choices other than be cocky/jerk/nice but no matter what you do the end result is the same Anders takes the story from hawke to himself greatly disappointing fans because you didn't drive but you were taken for a ride

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Actually the whole story/lack of a proper ending to cash in on dlc and the fact that we were promised choices only to play the game with no real choices other than be cocky/jerk/nice but no matter what you do the end result is the same Anders takes the story from hawke to himself greatly disappointing fans because you didn't drive but you were taken for a ride

I loved the story.

The ending left me hungry for more.

I saw many, MANY choices and agonized over them.

And a companion being more than a chatty follower? A driving force? Brilliant.

I loved those things.

You did not. Fine. But that does not mean either side is right or wrong.

[Mad-Max90]

I'm sorry I forgot on these forums people automatically think that if you post something you declare it as fact lest you put in my humble opinion, oh by the way may I ask what world changing decision you came across that was ultimately up to you, or were you just along for the ride

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

I'm sorry I forgot on these forums people automatically think that if you post something you declare it as fact lest you put in my humble opinion, oh by the way may I ask what world changing decision you came across that was ultimately up to you, or were you just along for the ride

This is a No Spoiler forum, so no spoilers here.

Look at the Spoiler forums.

World changing, there is the word. I neither want nor need world changing decisions. They aren't believeable to me. DAII was subtle there, but I swear, some of the decisions were bloody harrowing, even the 6th time around. Esp. considering the consequences in DA3. 

[Mad-Max90]

That's the point no matter what you do it will be the same in dragon age 3 except for maybe a cameo or two, but they've already stated that they don't care about your choices, they will continue to chug along the same narrow story no matter what you choose look at Anders, you could kill him in awakening yet he finds his way to kirkwall with justice who could also "die" in awakening, you have far fewer choices than you perceive

[Nightwriter]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Actually the whole story/lack of a proper ending to cash in on dlc and the fact that we were promised choices only to play the game with no real choices other than be cocky/jerk/nice but no matter what you do the end result is the same Anders takes the story from hawke to himself greatly disappointing fans because you didn't drive but you were taken for a ride

Oh my goodness, is that the reason??

You were never going to be able to change the war, just like you were never going to be able to let the Blight win. That was clear from the beginning.

Besides, wars are fictionally desirable. The mage rebellion is the next big story! It's huge and revolutionary and exciting, and there are darkspawn and Grey Wardens and religion involved! Flemeth prophesized it! What more could one ask? I'm excited.

[NedPepper]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Yes he does have every right to be, thats not the problem, complaining about people who did not like the game was, if the poor bastard made one mistake it was to cross the people who like the franchise but hate the game by saying we are not fans, which was baseless. This was just another bioware brownnoser who didn't want his feelings hurt because other people didn't like the game and were saying why they didn't like it.

A Bioware brown noser?  Heh.  I've said this in multiple threads.  I don't think DA2 is a perfect game.  I also didn't think Origins was a perfect game.  In fact, I'm not one to really see perfection in anything.  I believe everything can be improved.  I just recently posted that one of the issues I had with the game was not utilizing the strengths of the lore.  The wonderful cities and cultures we haven't really seen yet.  To keep it Kirkwall was probably a mistake.

THAT BEING SAID, I enjoyed the game.  I had fun.  It wasn't nearly as bad as some people want to it be.  And I don't feel like I'm being subjective there.  I feel like I'm being realistic.

And you want to talk about brown-nosing?  What kind of person feels so entitled by a company that they claim to be loyal to and then whine and cry on their own forum every single day about the same thing?  What's bizarre is that you somehow feel like Bioware or Laidlaw or Gaider should give you a pat on the back and tell you that YOU ARE RIGHT.  Their game is awful.  It's the worst RPG ever made.  That is flat out delusional.

I LOVE the band The Decemberists.  I've bought every record.  Their newest record, "The King is Dead" wasn't what I had grown to love from the band.  Gone were the sweeping historical epics.  They changed their sound and went in a new direction.  I respected the decision, thought maybe as artists they wanted to experiment, and hoped they would get back to sweeping epics by their next album.

What I didn't do is go on their website and troll daily about how much I was disappointed in the album.  Or tell them that I hope the album's sales suffer because they dared to go against my preconceptions of them.  I have their old albums and the hope that they'll keep evolving, but hopefully in a direction in I like on their next album.  I don't demand my money back.  I don't want the band to break up. I don't declare that "The Decemberists are dead".  What is the point of this?  Constructive criticism is one thing.  Obsessively crying that a game developer "hurt your feelings" because they made a game for more than a niche audience is a whole thing. 

I have no problem with the term "fanboy."  As a comic book fan, I've been called that my whole life.  Doesn't hurt me.  It means I'm passionate about what I love as far as entertainment. 

The reality: I think this thread exposes YOU more as the "poor bastard" than me. 

[Mad-Max90]

It's not just fighting the big baddie at the end, it's the fact that there was no end, and at least while you were fighting the blight you made world changing decisions at every turn, in this game they call it an rpg when all it is is half a story being told to you by a dwarf who only visits his friend the champion every other three years, not to mention one of the quotes was rise from a refugee to champion over a decade, sorry but that was not a decade of story, the warden did 10x the amount hawke did in less than 2 years and his adventure spanned a whole country

[NedPepper]

Persephone wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Persephone wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

.......

Forget it. I think I'm getting the sign, although it's not the one I wanted.

I give up.

Don't give up and don't let ANYONE ruin your enjoyment of this game. It is my favorite Bioware title atm and I'm in my sixth playthrough (Thank you, Patch 1.02) and having a wonderful time.

I too am looking forward to announcements from Bioware re: new content. And there will be some, that much is certain.

Don't let those who resort to namecalling ala "fanbros", "Biobots" and other such childish gibberish bog you down. Be proud of loving DAII. You have every right to be!

lol, sounds like you're promoting a DA2 Pride parade! Let the french accents and ass-less chaps commence!

you.. you.. Pepsidrone!

Orlesian accents? The Loghain fan within me is OUTRAGED!



But yes, threads like this make me sad. We've arrived at people feeling bad over enjoying a game. That sickens me.

I don't feel bad about loving the game.  I feel worried that all of this nerd rage will mean I won't have another game to play.  If that's the case, I'll move on with my life.  While some of these people will still be here complaining or trying to get some kind of validation for their bitterness. 

[skyrend]

You'd think that with DA2 sales shrinking to negligible amounts that the developers can give their honest opinons on DA2 by now.

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

It's not just fighting the big baddie at the end, it's the fact that there was no end, and at least while you were fighting the blight you made world changing decisions at every turn, in this game they call it an rpg when all it is is half a story being told to you by a dwarf who only visits his friend the champion every other three years, not to mention one of the quotes was rise from a refugee to champion over a decade, sorry but that was not a decade of story, the warden did 10x the amount hawke did in less than 2 years and his adventure spanned a whole country

World changing decisions at every turn in DAO? Did we play the same game?

And Varric does not "visit his friend the champion every other three years".

And you rose from a reguee to being a champion. Would I have liked more? YES. But it happened.

[Mad-Max90]

Did you pay 60 bucks for their album? And yes I whine **** and moan, I'll admit that. No I don't want a pat on the back from them, what I want was a sequel to origins not some streamlined rubbish game, you can enjoy just as well as I can hate it, but don't say I'm not a fan because I happen to hate this one game they made, you should stop nursing bioware, they are not the coddling baby you think they are.

[Maleficent]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Yes he does have every right to be, thats not the problem, complaining about people who did not like the game was, if the poor bastard made one mistake it was to cross the people who like the franchise but hate the game by saying we are not fans, which was baseless. This was just another bioware brownnoser who didn't want his feelings hurt because other people didn't like the game and were saying why they didn't like it.

Yeah but the point he was trying to make and get across was that it seems like the naysayers opinions are somehow more important than those that liked and enjoyed it.Check any thread and someone defends the game then gets labeled as a ''14 year old,dumbed down console player'' or just plain shot down.This is fact.OK OK OK OK we get it,Bioware get it,even bloody Ea get it point taken,noted.You don't like the game.Get me a new record:whistle:

[Persephone]

skyrend wrote...

You'd think that with DA2 sales shrinking to negligible amounts that the developers can give their honest opinons on DA2 by now.

Yes, because they couldn't POSSIBLY like their own game. They MUST be lying.

Maker's breath........!!!!!:innocent:

[Mad-Max90]

Oh I'm sorry tainting the ashes wasn't world changing was it, for that matter neither was who you elected to rule orzammar, nor was putting alistar on the throne my bad I thought those were world changing events, you got me I had no idea what I was talking about good for you

[Urik187]

Dragon Age II is a SOLID game.
I agree with the OP fully here that too many fans are whining about change.
They tried something different people. end of story. if you want the same game regurgitated then why not create your own mods for DA:O? that way you have the EXACT same game.

I must admit that at first I was dissappointed like most posters in here.
BUT I saw the goodness in DAII and that there arent bad things in the game, just things made differently.

People need to stop complaining like 14 year old spolied brats,
BioWare has always been good to its fans and always released steller games, if they didnt change things up they would not be where they are today.

[Nightwriter]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

It's not just fighting the big baddie at the end, it's the fact that there was no end, and at least while you were fighting the blight you made world changing decisions at every turn, in this game they call it an rpg when all it is is half a story being told to you by a dwarf who only visits his friend the champion every other three years, not to mention one of the quotes was rise from a refugee to champion over a decade, sorry but that was not a decade of story, the warden did 10x the amount hawke did in less than 2 years and his adventure spanned a whole country

While I did feel like the Warden's story seemed more important, I don't think that makes it better. DA:O gives us in breadth what DA2 gives us in depth. It was more focused, but also more personal. Almost every decision you make in DA2, high and low, has some effect later in the story. The difference is it simply has an effect on the city rather than Fereldan.

There's really no way around the fact that they can't give you ten years worth of gameplay, so there are going to be years where nothing is happening. I thnk watching your companions' relationships develop and evolve over time is more than enough reason to say the decade dynamic wasn't totally worthless, however.

[Urik187]

btw, Mad-Max90. some things i want to point out. all you have done is b!tch and moan about DA2 yet your signature is DA2 related.
You claim to LOVE DA:O yet you dont even have that game registered?
I wonder, is your life so sad that all you can do is b!tch and moan about a game you actually might like?

[Mad-Max90]

Wow all this positivity, it's making me want to throw the emperor into a random hole filled with lightening, seriously, you guys are really just complaining about people for finding things they don't like with the game, I don't care if you enjoy the damn game but I'll be damned if I have someone else tell me how I'm supposed to feel about it so their feelings don't get hurt

[TJSolo]

Urik187 wrote...

Dragon Age II is a SOLID game.
I agree with the OP fully here that too many fans are whining about change.
They tried something different people. end of story. if you want the same game regurgitated then why not create your own mods for DA:O? that way you have the EXACT same game.

I must admit that at first I was dissappointed like most posters in here.
BUT I saw the goodness in DAII and that there arent bad things in the game, just things made differently.

People need to stop complaining like 14 year old spolied brats,
BioWare has always been good to its fans and always released steller games, if they didnt change things up they would not be where they are today.

People are complaining about the bad execution of changes and the reasons for some changes, not change itself. Changing things up is only a positve when the changes are well recieved.