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[Mad-Max90]

Yes I purchased both origins and awakening then gave my copies to my friend Ethan so he could enjoy them then I went out and bought the ultimate edition, I preordered this game four months in advance I stood in the rain for an hour purchased the collector's guide, so I'm sorry if I'm not a fan because I didn't register the game to my account, but hell just being in the registered game owners forum isn't good enough for your elitism

[skyrend]

Persephone wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You'd think that with DA2 sales shrinking to negligible amounts that the developers can give their honest opinons on DA2 by now.

Yes, because they couldn't POSSIBLY like their own game. They MUST be lying.

Maker's breath........!!!!!:innocent:

Let's be honest.  I think the developers are crazy if they think any single facet of this game was done better than in other games.  Nothing they did was particularly innovative or well done.  

Single city?  GTA, Assasin's Creed blows DA2 out of the water.  Kirkwall was one of the dullest settings I've ever stepped foot in.  

Action combat?  Hey, have another wave and exploding bodies when you stab them in the neck.

Storytelling?  Act I pace is really poor and hardly improves as the game goes on.  And seriously, when did you ever care that Hawke got rich and powerful?  I sure as hell didn't.  I cared about getting revenge on Loghain.  Hell, I even cared about City Elf getting his justice from that douchebag Arl's son more than I ever did about Hawke doing anything in DA2.

I did enjoy the party banter.  Other than that, this game just doesn't have much to stand on.  

The only daring thing they did in DA2 was seeing how much less work they could get away with while charging a premium price.

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Oh I'm sorry tainting the ashes wasn't world changing was it, for that matter neither was who you elected to rule orzammar, nor was putting alistar on the throne my bad I thought those were world changing events, you got me I had no idea what I was talking about good for you

Tainting the Ashes was hardly world changing....what are the consequences except Leli/Wynne leaving? Plot wise, I mean? (If you bring them along?).

No matter who rules Orzammar, the outcome at Denerim is the same, only difference are 3 (Or is it 4?) Golems if you keep the Anvil.

Putting Alistair on the throne is nice. For the first time. In my games he remains well away from it and someone competent actually gets the crown.

[Nightwriter]

Urik187 wrote...

Dragon Age II is a SOLID game.
I agree with the OP fully here that too many fans are whining about change.
They tried something different people. end of story. if you want the same game regurgitated then why not create your own mods for DA:O? that way you have the EXACT same game.

I must admit that at first I was dissappointed like most posters in here.
BUT I saw the goodness in DAII and that there arent bad things in the game, just things made differently.

People need to stop complaining like 14 year old spolied brats,
BioWare has always been good to its fans and always released steller games, if they didnt change things up they would not be where they are today.

See, this sounds like the kind of thing I really hated hearing when I was discussing how much I was disappointed with ME2.

"If you don't like it, don't play it."
"Quit whining."
"Stop being a spoiled brat."

I had arguable reasons for disliking the game, and I don't think voicing those reasons is whining, really. I wouldn't want to repeat the same behavior I disliked when I was disappointed with ME2.

[Mad-Max90]

Oh and if in case you forgot I admitted to b!tching and moaning, so what I like to b!tch and moan when somebody takes my money after false advertising, I spent well over 200 dollars in this series and for some ****** to say I'm not a fan because I don't like the way the sequel turned out, well that just fires me up

[Persephone]

skyrend wrote...

Persephone wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You'd think that with DA2 sales shrinking to negligible amounts that the developers can give their honest opinons on DA2 by now.

Yes, because they couldn't POSSIBLY like their own game. They MUST be lying.

Maker's breath........!!!!!:innocent:

Let's be honest.  I think the developers are crazy if they think any single facet of this game was done better than in other games.  Nothing they did was particularly innovative or well done. 

According to which dogma?

[Mad-Max90]

But still all of those little choices were in fact choices, and yes tainting the ashes would be like picking your teeth with Jesus's baby finger bone, that's a bit more world changing than let's say saving nameless bloodmage#4

[NedPepper]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Did you pay 60 bucks for their album? And yes I whine **** and moan, I'll admit that. No I don't want a pat on the back from them, what I want was a sequel to origins not some streamlined rubbish game, you can enjoy just as well as I can hate it, but don't say I'm not a fan because I happen to hate this one game they made, you should stop nursing bioware, they are not the coddling baby you think they are.

I'm not nursing or coddling.  I'm simply telling them I like their game.  YOU seem to have a problem with that.  And I'm so tired of "I paid sixty bucks!"....we're all gamers, here.  I think I can safely say that most of us have spent sixty bucks on a game we didn't enjoy.  Trade it in for a different game.

[Mad-Max90]

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

[Mad-Max90]

I'm not tired of the excuse I paid sixty dollars because well I payed sixty dollars for a game that didn't even look like they tested it on a sd tv not to mention the enormous amount of bugs in the game that took them over a month to release the patch to a beta game I paid 60 dollars, that was just the game I had so much faith in bioware I even purchased the 40 dollar guide because I was naive and excited about the game

[NedPepper]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

There are ways to giving constructive criticism and then there is just negative, whiny noise.  I'm not pointing a finger directly at you.  I'm pointing a finger at the majority of this forum.  How is Bioware supposed to FIND what people like and don't like in the game when they have to stroll through hundreds of pages of "This game is for dumbed down console users."?  Or "There's no story!" Or "Hit the Awesome button to kill ninjas."   If you've played the game, there's a story.  You might not like it, but saying Bioware just ripped you off and they should be ashamed of themselves is not telling them anything they can use when making DA 3.

I have a buddy who is playing the game right now.  He loves it.  In fact, he likes it more than the first game. He said he was thinking about coming to the forums to talk about it.  I told him to STAY AWAY.

The sad thing is this angry mob group think.  By himself, my buddy loves the game.  I think a lot of people actually like this game a lot more than they want to admit.  But it's not fashionable.  And when you dwell on the negative....you'd be amazed how much that can color your thoughts in general. 

Again, you can hate this game.  That's fine.  I don't care one way or another.  I'm just tired of the condescending attitude that IF you like this game, you're an idiot.  Pick a thread at random in the General Discussion forum and you'll see that. 

[Sabriana]

@ nedpepper

Oh my heavens. Please don't do this, it'll lead to no good. Please don't lump all the critics into the "unreasonable screamer' crowd. That's simply not true. There are also true biodrones around who will defend bioware with the most silliest of arguments. However, I refuse to lump those silly people together with the people who derived genuine enjoyment out of DA 2.

It's not 'fashionable' to be critical of a game that delivered a devastatingly disappointed feeling in many? What kind of thing is that to say? Angry mob group think? Have you checked the forums at all? Yes, I agree, there are those who lash about wildly being more than ridiculous with their bile and hatred, but the majority is quite calm and contructive. The biodrones and the unreasonable nay-sayers are recognizable, that's how low their number is overall.

You ascribe motives to the critics simply out of thin air without the backing of facts. I would never even dream of doing that for the supporters. If you like DA 2 then more power to you. I wish I could with all my heart. I don't dislike it to begin with, I think it's a 'meh' game that is way overpriced. After resigning to the fact that it is not a true RPG, but an action/h&s hybrid with a few RPG elements, I even got some fun out of it. I liked Act II very much.

And yes, I would most likely still buy it, but not for 56 euros. I would wait until it landed in the bargain bin. If I hadn't put blind faith into the company, and engaged in immature rush-buying behavior, I would not be so severely disappointed. I am partially to blame. I am an adult, and I didn't act like one. I will in the future though.

[AtreiyaN7]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

There's a point in giving them feedback and critiques, which people have done. However, harping on how DA2 wasn't the sequel that "true DA:O fans" wanted doesn't seem to be productive. The endless "EA is evil" and the "I spent $60, so..." and  the "<insert dev name> should be fired" threads, etc. aren't either. Or do you think those kinds of things qualify as good feedback?

In any case, I'm sure that this thread will get closed sooner or later - the complaining about complaining ones always do, don't they? However, it currently seems like the forums are infinitely recursive because the only thing that seems to be going on is complaining, and complaining about complaining, and more complaining, including complaining about complaining about complaining.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[Persephone]

nedpepper wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

I have a buddy who is playing the game right now.  He loves it.  In fact, he likes it more than the first game. He said he was thinking about coming to the forums to talk about it.  I told him to STAY AWAY.

The sad thing is this angry mob group thing.  By himself, my buddy loves the game.  I think a lot of people actually like this game a lot more than they want to admit.  But it's not fashionable.  And when you dwell on the negative....you'd be amazed how much that can color your thoughts in general. 

Again, you can hate this game.  That's fine.  I don't care one way or another.  I'm just tired of the condescending attitude that IF you like this game, you're an idiot.  Pick a thread at random in the General Discussion forum and you'll see that. 

This. Sad as it is, but yes.

And again, strange that the Spoiler Forums aren't at all like that. (Not saying that everyone there thinks DAII is perfection!) The discussions going on there actually DESERVE the term "discussion" while the "General Discussion" forum may as well be renamed to "The General Bickering" Forum.

[Sister Goldring]

 
Am I the only one who is finding the constant name calling a drag?

People are allowed to express their opinion....people.  Bioware itself has provided several avenues to facilitate consumer feedback and have expressed an interest in knowing what purchasers enjoyed or disliked about their product.

To my mind there is absolutely nothing wrong with liking DA2, it doesn't make you a dumbed down console player.  It means you are a person that enjoyed the product on offer.    Yeah, I'm pleased that someone has had a good time.  Happy is GOOD!

Likewise, people who didn't like the game are absolutely entitled to complain about something they paid money for and didn't enjoy.  If I pay for food and I don't like it, IF I LIKE the restaurant then I tell the company so they have a chance of keeping my business.  If I don't care much either way then I'll just never come back again and for a business that's a bad outcome.  I see most of the complaints coming from a place of Bio-love.  The fans want to keep buying the franchise, they want to enjoy the next game, they want Bioware to thrill them again.

I know that's what I want because nailing my colours to the mast....DA2  just wasn't for me  I LOVED Origins but I can't bring myself to load up a second round of DA2.  Even though the game has some good points, I thought the companion characters were a particularly strong element and I thought the plot based conversations interspaced with companion banter actually improved on the 'click to check if there was anything new to say' interactions in DAO.

However, the basic grind of playing through combat that I find repetitive and dull and revisiting the same locations a hundred times nukes any desire to load it up again......despite even my massive fangirl crush on Fenris and his awesome voice acting - so yummy!
 
So DA2 doesn't meet my expectations of a good game.  In order to get satisfaction I need to enjoy the experience of playing the game and want to replay it to get a different perspective on the story. DA2 is a fail for me....and you know it's OK by me if it's a win for you!

[Mad-Max90]

I'm not hating on you for liking the game man, I'm glad to see at least some people like it, oh and my friend Ethan I told him to steer clear of buying this game so ilet him borrow it, he brought it back the next day, he didn't like it he played through half of the second act realized there wasn't any deep rpg elements left in dragon age and thanked me for
Not letting his money go to waste, I was just upset by your posts complaining about people who were complaining, I'll say this right now if you read my posts prior to the release I was a completely different poster, it's just this game felt lacking in many areas to me, and I'm sorry for insulting you, it wasn't because you like the game but how you treated others who didn't share your opinion

[Mad-Max90]

If you look at my posts on those threads I've defended EA, and Mike laidlaw, I'm a very reasonable person, I'm upset with the game and I think I'm entitled to be so and I have the right to be angry at thenprice of this game that was only a sequel to origins by name, but hey it's called freedom, or are you a commie, if only walt Disney were here

[Esbatty]

I am entitled to the entitlement of dismissing your entitled opinion of your much deserved entitlement to be utterly disappointed that your self assumed entitlements did not entitle you to the game that you felt entitled to recieve in exchange for money. Money I'm going to assume you earned at a job rather than was handed to you because you felt entitled to have it given to you.

[Mad-Max90]

Ooh clever, I haven't played be the douchey smartass in a while, but hey I guess your entitled to be a have the humor and all the personality of Janice joplin's rotten tampon

[Rockpopple]

I think what's really emotionally draining, way more than what people think of the game (and when you think about it - who cares what others think of the game? It's purely subjective. People are free to have an opinion on products and services, no doubt about it) is how people state their beliefs about the game.

I've found that a lot of people resort to ad-hominum attacks on people when they talk about the game. Sometimes specific forum goers, sometimes devs, mostly just people who happen to enjoy the game in general. Yes, of course this happens on "both sides", but if we're honest we can say that it's mostly the people who usually resort to these attacks happen to despise the game.

And yeah, it starts to get old when I and people that like DA 2 are called stupid, dumb, simple, drones, fanboys, ADDisordered, kids, children, unsophisticated, basic, addled, and worse - just for finding the game more enjoyable than not.

But that's the internet for you. It's not enough to go after the product, you have to go after the end-user... for whatever reason.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 16 avril 2011 - 09:52 .

[echelon IV]

I can relate to the OP. It is quite a downer to go to the forum for positive discussion only to be called all kinds of weird names, for liking the game. I don't understand why I cannot simple be allowed to like the game and discuss it with like-minded, without a lot of people have to high-jack the thread with negative comments. Just accept that people are different, and expect different things from games.

I think the main problem for people with DA II is the bad execution. If the game was not so buggy and unfinished, i think there would be less negative comments. So in my opinion in comes down to how bothered you are by the "unfinished feeling" of the game, if you really like it or not(I know some people also have problems with the linearity of the plot and what not, but i think people would have been more positive overall if the game had been finally polished before launch).

I am extremely tolerant with games. I completed fall out II before the almost "infinite load " bug fix patch was released, DA:O and ME2 on a computer with a busted monitor full of vertical lines, morrowind on a computer with a very old on-board grafic card making everything extremmely pixelated(making arrows unusable) and gothic 3 on a very old and slow computer(leading to 20 sec waits between every 2 blows in combat), and loved all of them as i am only into the whole open sandbox exploration feel of rpgs.The same with DAII, i loved it(eventhough the world is not so big). But I also accept that some people are not as patient as I, thus not liking DAII, without having the need to call them names.

So just accept that some people might enjoy a game for a reason you do not, and stop trying to convince them that the game they like sucks...

Go to the constructive critisism thread instead if you want to complain. If you complain there, there is a bigger chance that it will be fixed in DAIII. If you complain here you will only annoy the people who like the game

Modifié par echelon IV, 16 avril 2011 - 09:56 .

[Radwar]

Persephone wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

I have a buddy who is playing the game right now.  He loves it.  In fact, he likes it more than the first game. He said he was thinking about coming to the forums to talk about it.  I told him to STAY AWAY.

The sad thing is this angry mob group thing.  By himself, my buddy loves the game.  I think a lot of people actually like this game a lot more than they want to admit.  But it's not fashionable.  And when you dwell on the negative....you'd be amazed how much that can color your thoughts in general. 

Again, you can hate this game.  That's fine.  I don't care one way or another.  I'm just tired of the condescending attitude that IF you like this game, you're an idiot.  Pick a thread at random in the General Discussion forum and you'll see that. 

This. Sad as it is, but yes.

And again, strange that the Spoiler Forums aren't at all like that. (Not saying that everyone there thinks DAII is perfection!) The discussions going on there actually DESERVE the term "discussion" while the "General Discussion" forum may as well be renamed to "The General Bickering" Forum.

Yes, we all know you would prefer if every board had discussions about kissing Bioware's (you know what). Why would we be unsatisfied since we only paid $60 for a game that isn't even close to being on par with it's original.

Modifié par Radwar, 16 avril 2011 - 09:54 .

[Fallstar]

nedpepper wrote...

It's funny neppakyo posted in this thread. Because you can always count on him/her whenever there's something negative to say. Tell me how that is not trying to bury this franchise? There's a clear diffrerence in being disappointed in a game, and posting in every thread how much you think this game is a giant "turd".

Those of you offended by this post might want to think about those of us who LIKE the game having everything we say negated by certain posters in EVERY THREAD. I can only look at that as a number of things:

1) Your disappointment has consumed you to point being obsessively bitter

2) It's become "cool" to bash the game. Hey, someone mention the AWESOME BUTTON. We've only seen the joke....everywhere. It's sheep mentality.

3) You are the type of person who looks for flaws in everything.

Whatever the case, why must those of us who look at video games as an escape from the DOOM and GLOOM of our culture and want to come to a board to talk about playing a game they enjoy, have a horde of trollspawn flank you with their cynical bitterness.

I honestly don't understand why Bioware would WANT people to register their games here. This place has all of the joy of a cemetery. By this point, if you don't like the game and you're not going to buy any DLC or, as some of you have said, DA 3, when do you finally say to yourself, "There's more games out there."

Firstly, I'm sorry if you think our culture is 'doom and gloom'. I happen to rather like it myself.

Secondly, there is a reason the awesome button is everywhere. Whenever I see an arrow cause a corpse to detonate as if it had dynamite inside, I am reminded of the 'press a button, something awesome happens' comment. And since combat is a significant part of this game, such a comment is not going to just tuck itself away under the carpet and hide.

Thirdly, don't generalise. Its stupid and invalidates the rest of your points. The vast majority of those making who come on these boards, and complain about DA:2, do so because they love the series and are just disappointed. I for one will purchase all the DLC and the next game.

Finally, you complain about the "horde of trollspawn", yet you fail to mention that a lot of the trolls are people who come on the forums and, like yourself, lay into those who are simply trying to voice their opinion. It is angry, somewhat childish posts like the one quoted that fill this forum with "doom and gloom". I admit that some of those complaining about the game could do so in a more adult manner, but as you show, you are no better than them.

/rant.

[Serpieri Nei]

nedpepper wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^that's the point in complaining about things we didn't like in the game isn't it, that in hopes they will do a better job on the next one, it has nothing to do with hating bioware, it has everything to do in hating some of the changes they made that broke the franchise

There are ways to giving constructive criticism and then there is just negative, whiny noise.  I'm not pointing a finger directly at you.  I'm pointing a finger at the majority of this forum.  How is Bioware supposed to FIND what people like and don't like in the game when they have to stroll through hundreds of pages of "This game is for dumbed down console users."?  Or "There's no story!" Or "Hit the Awesome button to kill ninjas."   If you've played the game, there's a story.  You might not like it, but saying Bioware just ripped you off and they should be ashamed of themselves is not telling them anything they can use when making DA 3.

I have a buddy who is playing the game right now.  He loves it.  In fact, he likes it more than the first game. He said he was thinking about coming to the forums to talk about it.  I told him to STAY AWAY.

The sad thing is this angry mob group think.  By himself, my buddy loves the game.  I think a lot of people actually like this game a lot more than they want to admit.  But it's not fashionable.  And when you dwell on the negative....you'd be amazed how much that can color your thoughts in general. 

Again, you can hate this game.  That's fine.  I don't care one way or another.  I'm just tired of the condescending attitude that IF you like this game, you're an idiot.  Pick a thread at random in the General Discussion forum and you'll see that. 

People are quite aware of how to give constructive criticism, and their is a lot of it. To disregard it as  whinny noise simple shows that you have closed your mind and are unwilling to see things objectively. Bioware has created a
few threads where the majority of the criticism is being collected. Also I hate to break it to you but stream lining,
weak plot, awesome button, and ninja's are valid complaints. If you wish to dismiss these that’s your prerogative but telling people their criticism won't be used is not.

Just as there are people who like the game, there are those that find it to be mediocre and others who feel it’s the worst game in ages. So who's right here? The answer is simple, we all are. I do find it interesting that you believe hating something is more fashionable then praising it, and that those who dwell on the positive are just as susceptible to having their thoughts colored.

You can love the game; no one is stopping you from doing that except yourself. And try not to hide behind a shield of indifference because it’s clear that you do care or you wouldn’t be posting. And just as you’re tired of the condescending attitude. People are just as tired of the Holy Crusade to rid the land of the infidels. How dare we speak out against Bioware.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 16 avril 2011 - 10:12 .