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[Paraxial]

nedpepper wrote...
It feels like people are mourning some imaginary thing they lost

Welcome to the internet.

Here's to hoping for more DLC to a game that I enjoyed the hell out of, and here is to the QQing about said DLC that will quench my thirst for some time.

[Kilshrek]

The black bell tolls! Death and damnation have come to this board and it seeks ye! Repent all ye lovers of DA 2 for hell hath a special plan for ye!

But really, I think the devs have earned some sort of break after busting their rears over putting this game out (whatever state it is in is irrelevant and should not be jumped on). Besides with the level of vitriol and other nonsense I don't see why anyone should pop in. I've seen John Epler posting here and there, mostly to teach people to be nice to each other.

[Doyle41]

neppakyo wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Most people who are criticizing the game, don't hate the franchise and we don't want to see the series fail.

^^This.

Nor do most of us hate Bioware. Since the fiasco of DA2, I will wait a week or two when ME3 comes out, see some user reviews from both sides of the camp, then make a descision to buy it.

I bought DA2 on the laurels of DA:O, and sadly its a sub-par game with many of the new implimentions poorly done.

I second this post.

[Serpentine 78]

  Despite some of it's flaws, I personally love Dragon Age 2....more than the first in some ways.

  So many people seem to be hating the sequel for what it is NOT, rather than trying to appreciate it for what it is.  It's not like this is a game in the league of  Two Worlds (which I admit to liking, but the quality and production of D.A. 2  is MANY worlds beyond...Two Worlds...I have both for the 360).

  It does suck that it had a myriad of bugs, but isn't that fairly typical for RPG's at launch?  *shrugs*  There's a patch now that stomps out most of those bugs.

  It IS glaringly obvious that areas are recycled to an almost depressing extent; however, I'd rather have the extra content in replicated caverns and warehouses than not.  It's the lesser of the two evils.  I believe, not only after reading developer interviews explaining why this was done,but that a company with the pedigree of Bioware would not purposely reuse environments out of pure laziness and arrogance.  Unlike Origins, E.A. put the pressure on them for the deadline. I think that is undeniable.  For me, once I engaged in combat, I quickly got over the feelings of Deja Vu(then of course one could argue that all the combat is the same...that everything is the same...blah blah...but I don't view it like that).

  I love the new combat and skill trees.  Playing on "hard", I executed the majority of the violent encounters in the same way as Origins--I paused to issue my commands.  I happen to LIKE being able to perform a basic attack with the push of a button instead of pressing attack and have my character stumble about for a few seconds before slowly swinging(I do wish the speed was just a liiiittle slower though).  If I try to play it like a regular hack n' slash game (on "hard"), then I typically get my butt handed to me fast.  *shrugs*  I guess I suck compared to those who say that even on "nightmare" it's a non-tactictal hack n' slash affair.  Kudos to the gamers who are THAT good.  For me, it is nice being able to play either way at times....it adds diversity and it's FUN.  Also, the new skill trees make leveling up more addicting and enable one to have greater customization over the heroes.  As far as "auto-attack" goes, I don't understand why that virtually breaks the game for some.  I could care less about it....but, that's me (as is all of this).

  Last, before I cease my rambling, it is silly to say that Dragon Age 2 is not an RPG because you can't buy armor for the companions.  I, for one,  happen to like the fact that they each retain their own look rather than all wearing the same combat attire.  You can still choose what weapons they wield (except for Varric), a necklace, two rings, and a belt (AND what runes they equip).  That is plenty of customization.  And you can get upgrades for their armor (I DO think it'd be cool if the upgrades slightly modified their appearance or if each character could get a variety of custom pieces....but oh well, I'm perfectly fine with it as is).  I've heard some compare D.A. 2 to an FPS.....maybe the remarks are sarcastic but they are idiotic as well.

  I do understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and, if people are unhappy about the game, the developer SHOULD hear or read about it.  We as gamers should not accept crap games that sell for $60; however, so many of the D.A. 2 complaints seem overblown and exaggerated.  Having said that, both BEAUTY and BEASTS are in the eye of the beholder, so I don't mean to be personal (except for those who call D.A. 2 an FPS).  Many disdain the game and vehemently express that.  I on the other hand, really enjoy it (I'm on my second play through); thus, I want to add some positive verbal radiance(and my own view, etc, blah blah) to the mix on this brooding, fueding board.  It is evident in all video game forums that some people just love to hate.  I guess it is a good thing that the serious has compelled gamers to have such intense feelings...yay OR nay.
  
 Peace to you all and let's hope the third time is a charm of charms that will mix the best of both worlds (Origins and D.A. 2) and continue to refine (not strip or streamline necessarily) what really shines in  the chaotic but wonderful realm of Thedas. 

[LyndseyCousland]

nedpepper wrote...

This board has become a lot of DOOM and GLOOM.  It's become depressing.  For those of us who love the Dragon Age franchise, give us a sign of things to come.  That the negative backlash from very loud and very busy posters hasn't put one of my favorite franchises into the grave they think it deserves to be in with.  For those of us who like DA 2 just as much as DA: O, we just want a sign that there will be some kind of DLC or another Gaider novel.

Because this place has sucked the joy and fun out of the gaming experience.  It feels like people are mourning some imaginary thing they lost and the rest of us are just left to think: Is Bioware giving in to this?  I hope not.

Melodramatic much?

[LyndseyCousland]

Doyle41 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Most people who are criticizing the game, don't hate the franchise and we don't want to see the series fail.

^^This.

Nor do most of us hate Bioware. Since the fiasco of DA2, I will wait a week or two when ME3 comes out, see some user reviews from both sides of the camp, then make a descision to buy it.

I bought DA2 on the laurels of DA:O, and sadly its a sub-par game with many of the new implimentions poorly done.

I second this post.

Also, ditto.

[Fallstar]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Doyle41 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Most people who are criticizing the game, don't hate the franchise and we don't want to see the series fail.

^^This.

Nor do most of us hate Bioware. Since the fiasco of DA2, I will wait a week or two when ME3 comes out, see some user reviews from both sides of the camp, then make a descision to buy it.

I bought DA2 on the laurels of DA:O, and sadly its a sub-par game with many of the new implimentions poorly done.

I second this post.

Also, ditto.

Agreed

[Mad-Max90]

I just don't like how someone who doesn't even know me thinks I'm not a fan because I complained about the sequel to one of my favourite games, oh and because apparently not regestering a game to your profile means you never played and your not a "true" fan, to that guy I wanted to say a lot more than a polite screw you

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

You're not alone OP.  All you can do is make posts highlighting the positive changes that DA2 brought to the games.  BioWare reads these boards and they see what people are saying.  All you can do is make sure they see the positive posts.  :D:D

You are right that there is a small group of loud [sensitve feelings protected] packin' the boards.  :)  I'd say roughtly half are just here to troll and cause trouble, the rest are honestly fans of how things used to be and are genuinely upset that things are changing.  All you can do it point out that their hard and fast This Is How RPGs Are doesn't apply to everyone.

BioWare will give us a sign in the form of DLC and DA3.  In a sense, they have already given us a sign.  Look at the early details of ME3.  There will be more choices, more powers to choose from, more "loot" in the form of options for Shepard's weapons.  To me, that looks to be bringing the amount of ability choices and gear options more in line with what DA2 offered.  Certinaly stripped down from the cumbersome ME1 interface and the trope filled interface of DAO.  To me, that's a sign.  I =like= how DA2 worked and how ME3 appears to work.

The future is so bright ---  B)B)

[-Skorpious-]

Interviewer: "Reception to DA2 has been very mixed. Can you elaborate on the situation please?"
Mike Laidlaw: "Does it matter? We've sold copies faster than Origins did, so everybody else can get over themselves and learn to like our game."
Me: Really Mike? Really?!

The above comment (slightly paraphrased) is why I worry about DA3.

Also, my friend recommended that I play Uncharted a while back - I was unimpressed with it. Did I go the Naughty Dog's forums and complain? No. Why? Because I don't care for Uncharted, thus, I do not really care about the series future. I do, however, care about the future of Dragon Age, so my "negative" posts are aimed at making DA3 an experience that I, a consumer of Bioware's products, will find both enjoyable and stimulating.

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

  I'd say roughtly half are just here to troll and cause trouble, the rest are honestly fans of how things used to be and are genuinely upset that things are changing.  All you can do it point out that their hard and fast This Is How RPGs Are doesn't apply to everyone.

I can cope with most of DA2's changes, but DA2 lacked a goddamn plot - a big no-no in RPG's. THIS is why I complain. Not because "I can't dress up my companions!", but "What was the point of playing this mindless game"?

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 16 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[jaybee93]

nedpepper wrote...

...Because this place has sucked the joy and fun out of the gaming experience.  It feels like people are mourning some imaginary thing they lost and the rest of us are just left to think: Is Bioware giving in to this?  I hope not.

Yeah.  Lots and lots of threads about "My BIGGEST disappointment was..." and "Dear Bioware, You must HATE your fans!" Honestly my biggest disappointment with DA2 has been this forum.  I thought it'd be a fun place to share thoughts about the game, and sometimes there are great discussions, but so often they're slogged down with the idea that nobody is allowed to like the game without contributing to the death of RPGs, etc. It is depressing. I keep coming back here for the good people and good convos, but the early promise that "Haters will get bored eventually and leave the forums alone" seems to have failed.

I don't really get it. And no, it isn't that "Nobody can criticize without being called a troll/hater." You'd have to be blind not to see that there is a huge amount of hate poured into these forums that has nothing to do with constructive criticism.

[jaybee93]

I also don't understand people who say their negativity is targeted at Bioware to make future games better. It seems much more targeted at DA fans (labeled "fanboys," inexplicably) because people are horrified that anyone might enjoy a game they don't like.

[elearon1]

To the actual point of the post ... it seems a little early to be calling for DLCs, the game only came out like a month ago. Let them make sure the patches are up to date, then start talking about Downloadable Content. They did just post that Anders Fiction piece on the front page, which should at least indicate they are trying to maintain some interest in the game.

I won't be expecting to see any DLC available until June; certainly nothing worth buying will make it out before then. (May, at best, if they were already working on it before release) Let us just hope that whatever does come out next will be worth our money - thus no costume packs, or weapon packs, but an actual adventure worth a couple hours of play and which actually expands the story a bit.

[Khayness]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

The future is so bright ---  B)B)

If you say that rushing out a faulty product is change for the better, then I salute you sir.

[-Skorpious-]

jaybee93 wrote...

I also don't understand people who say their negativity is targeted at Bioware to make future games better. It seems much more targeted at DA fans (labeled "fanboys," inexplicably) because people are horrified that anyone might enjoy a game they don't like.

If you can point out one instance in which I've done so I'll agree with you. 

[errant_knight]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

You're not alone OP.  All you can do is make posts highlighting the positive changes that DA2 brought to the games.  BioWare reads these boards and they see what people are saying.  All you can do is make sure they see the positive posts.  :D:D

You are right that there is a small group of loud [sensitve feelings protected] packin' the boards.  :)  I'd say roughtly half are just here to troll and cause trouble, the rest are honestly fans of how things used to be and are genuinely upset that things are changing.  All you can do it point out that their hard and fast This Is How RPGs Are doesn't apply to everyone.

BioWare will give us a sign in the form of DLC and DA3.  In a sense, they have already given us a sign.  Look at the early details of ME3.  There will be more choices, more powers to choose from, more "loot" in the form of options for Shepard's weapons.  To me, that looks to be bringing the amount of ability choices and gear options more in line with what DA2 offered.  Certinaly stripped down from the cumbersome ME1 interface and the trope filled interface of DAO.  To me, that's a sign.  I =like= how DA2 worked and how ME3 appears to work.

The future is so bright ---  B)B)

I'm not sure that quoting a song about imminent death in a nuclear apocalypse was the way you really wanted to go there.

[AlrinKireen]

Forum about Dragon Age 2 reminds me forum about Hellgate London after that game was released... Depresing you know. Game killed by community...

[Mad-Max90]

It is a fun place to share thoughts on a game, don't hate because the majority of posters aren't intune with your feelings, which is why this thread was started, he was simply pissed off at other peoples opinion of the game, it's an opinion, one would think fan opinions would show bioware that the majority of players were less than estatic when this game was released, and even made some of angry that the lead of this game would criticize the fans of the franchise when we pay his bills

[jaybee93]

-Skorpious- wrote...

jaybee93 wrote...

I also don't understand people who say their negativity is targeted at Bioware to make future games better. It seems much more targeted at DA fans (labeled "fanboys," inexplicably) because people are horrified that anyone might enjoy a game they don't like.

If you can point out one instance in which I've done so I'll agree with you. 

In which you've done what? Targeted fanboys? I haven't actually been paying attention to your posts so I kind of can't... Hi, nice to meet you?

Edited to say: But if you just wanted clarification, I meant that attacking people who enjoy the game is not going to tell Bioware anything, and often the negativity is directed at people who enjoy the game (eg. the "You're contributing the the death of RPGs" trend previously mentioned, and the "You're just a fanboy" or "You're obviously not a real RPGer" non-arguments that comes up) rather than the company.

Modifié par jaybee93, 16 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[lobi]

I mouth off about what I percieve as the games problems but, I am not blind to it's good point's. What I have to say is not just about one class and one playthrough. Have a look at my DA2 Char's see how many there are at level 23 and above. When I give criticism on the game it is informed criticism, not knee jerk h8 or jingoism. Sometimes I am tongue in cheek about some things, bitter about others. There is always the cavete that it is just my 'opinion' albiet a strong one. I will not censor myself to the point of banality.

[IndigoWolfe]

From the desk of Chris Priestly;



Enjoy!

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 16 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[-Skorpious-]

jaybee93 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

jaybee93 wrote...

I also don't understand people who say their negativity is targeted at Bioware to make future games better. It seems much more targeted at DA fans (labeled "fanboys," inexplicably) because people are horrified that anyone might enjoy a game they don't like.

If you can point out one instance in which I've done so I'll agree with you. 

In which you've done what? Targeted fanboys? I haven't actually been paying attention to your posts so I kind of can't... Hi, nice to meet you?

My post was...a tad excessive (and rude). I just dislike the thought of all the "negative" posters on this board being unfairly labeled as jerks who hate the fact people enjoy DA2.

While I can't speak for everyone, my posts are directed at Bioware's shockingly weak (if any) attempt at weaving both the plot and the character of Hawke together in an intelligent and enjoyable fashion. For example - was the player actively involved in Hawke's rise to power? Or were the events outside of the players hands? 

[billy the squid]

neppakyo wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Most people who are criticizing the game, don't hate the franchise and we don't want to see the series fail.

^^This.

Nor do most of us hate Bioware. Since the fiasco of DA2, I will wait a week or two when ME3 comes out, see some user reviews from both sides of the camp, then make a descision to buy it.

I bought DA2 on the laurels of DA:O, and sadly its a sub-par game with many of the new implimentions poorly done.

Might be an Idea to wait for the inevitable playthroughs posted on Youtube as well, to really get an idea of game play, graphics etc. The risk of spoilers is always there, but Its something I will be doing.

[Mad-Max90]

^this

[Mad-Max90]

Wait the post before I the one i said this^ to, that's what I was agreeing with, to the other person, they were completely justified buying a game blindly because of what the previous game did, the majority of consumers do this, but I guess your right as well