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[Dean_the_Young]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I've always loved how everyone BUT Tali lauds you if you reveal the truth... and then Tali goes about how 'it's a Quarian thing, I shouldn't have expected you to understand.'

Except, of course, that she's about the only Quarian who holds that view.

Shepard is a human raised elsewhere. Do your Shepards have the perfect point of wiev of everything? I do expect someone who was born and raised on the flotilla to know that culture better.

Oh, that might fly... if anyone on the Flotilla reflected that. Instead, you have every admiral from all sides, the ship captain, and the generic quarian public opinion pretty much lauding Shepard for doing the Right Thing.

And no one reflecting Tali's claim.

Anyone on the flotilla does reflect this.

If you keep Tali's secret then talk to Admiral Gerrel and tell him off-the-record that Tali's father was experimenting on Geth, he says he's glad Shep doesn't bring it up and that Tali doesn't have to suffer for her father's mistakes.  Which means he knew Tali would suffer even if found innocent, because it would besmirch her father's legacy. It's a quarian thing. 

That's in no way mutually exclusive.

[ArmedChimp]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I've always loved how everyone BUT Tali lauds you if you reveal the truth... and then Tali goes about how 'it's a Quarian thing, I shouldn't have expected you to understand.'

Except, of course, that she's about the only Quarian who holds that view.

Shepard is a human raised elsewhere. Do your Shepards have the perfect point of wiev of everything? I do expect someone who was born and raised on the flotilla to know that culture better.

Oh, that might fly... if anyone on the Flotilla reflected that. Instead, you have every admiral from all sides, the ship captain, and the generic quarian public opinion pretty much lauding Shepard for doing the Right Thing.

And no one reflecting Tali's claim.

Anyone on the flotilla does reflect this.

If you keep Tali's secret then talk to Admiral Gerrel and tell him off-the-record that Tali's father was experimenting on Geth, he says he's glad Shep doesn't bring it up and that Tali doesn't have to suffer for her father's mistakes.  Which means he knew Tali would suffer even if found innocent, because it would besmirch her father's legacy. It's a quarian thing. 

Again that's Renegade. You don't please everyone because they don't like the truth. Yes Tali may be depressed about it but the Quarian fleet itself will improve. Then there's the question that t the victims of the whole geth incursion are allowed to know who's responsible I'm not quite sure who was on the specific ship but I was under the impression there were some Quarians who didn't know wtf Tali's father was doing.

There's both ways of looking at it. And both have valid points.

[ExtremeOne]

lovgreno wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...There are ways of getting revenge  

Revenge on who, why and how? If you feel unfairly treated by BioWare you expect too much. They don't need to be fair to anyone except their profit. But I guess you can just not buy ME3 and thus deny them your money.

 



Oh I could do that. but the better way is to enact revenge with in the game. I want to unleash renegade hell on the Allaince in ME 3 and the only way to do that is to buy the game. disobedience and being a total renegade when it comes to the Alliance will be a just due revenege in my eyes. 

Modifié par ExtremeOne, 16 avril 2011 - 10:44 .

[PicdiCr80]

ExtremeOne wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...There are ways of getting revenge  

Revenge on who, why and how? If you feel unfairly treated by BioWare you expect too much. They don't need to be fair to anyone except their profit. But I guess you can just not buy ME3 and thus deny them your money.

 



Oh I could do that. but the better way is to enact revenge with in the game. I want to unleash renegade hell on the Allaince in ME 3 and the only way to do that is to buy the game. disobedience and being a total renegade when it comes to the Alliance will be a just due revenege in my eyes. 

Translation:


I have nothing better to do either way and therefore will live out my fantasy of being a Renegade in a Bioware game while simultaneously slating Bioware on the forums.

[ExtremeOne]

PicdiCr80 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...There are ways of getting revenge  

Revenge on who, why and how? If you feel unfairly treated by BioWare you expect too much. They don't need to be fair to anyone except their profit. But I guess you can just not buy ME3 and thus deny them your money.

 



Oh I could do that. but the better way is to enact revenge with in the game. I want to unleash renegade hell on the Allaince in ME 3 and the only way to do that is to buy the game. disobedience and being a total renegade when it comes to the Alliance will be a just due revenege in my eyes. 

Translation:


I have nothing better to do either way and therefore will live out my fantasy of being a Renegade in a Bioware game while simultaneously slating Bioware on the forums.

 


Oh I plan on getting revenege with in the game what better way to make the precious Allaince suffer for Bioware 's stupid choice in screwing us Cerberus fans 

[ArmedChimp]

ExtremeOne wrote...

PicdiCr80 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...There are ways of getting revenge  

Revenge on who, why and how? If you feel unfairly treated by BioWare you expect too much. They don't need to be fair to anyone except their profit. But I guess you can just not buy ME3 and thus deny them your money.

 

Wha.....?



Oh I could do that. but the better way is to enact revenge with in the game. I want to unleash renegade hell on the Allaince in ME 3 and the only way to do that is to buy the game. disobedience and being a total renegade when it comes to the Alliance will be a just due revenege in my eyes. 

Translation:


I have nothing better to do either way and therefore will live out my fantasy of being a Renegade in a Bioware game while simultaneously slating Bioware on the forums.

 


Oh I plan on getting revenege with in the game what better way to make the precious Allaince suffer for Bioware 's stupid choice in screwing us Cerberus fans 

[PicdiCr80]

ExtremeOne wrote...

PicdiCr80 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...There are ways of getting revenge  

Revenge on who, why and how? If you feel unfairly treated by BioWare you expect too much. They don't need to be fair to anyone except their profit. But I guess you can just not buy ME3 and thus deny them your money.

 



Oh I could do that. but the better way is to enact revenge with in the game. I want to unleash renegade hell on the Allaince in ME 3 and the only way to do that is to buy the game. disobedience and being a total renegade when it comes to the Alliance will be a just due revenege in my eyes. 

Translation:


I have nothing better to do either way and therefore will live out my fantasy of being a Renegade in a Bioware game while simultaneously slating Bioware on the forums.

 


Oh I plan on getting revenege with in the game what better way to make the precious Allaince suffer for Bioware 's stupid choice in screwing us Cerberus fans 

Bioware implemented the options on ****ing over the Alliance you intend on using, therefore you're not insulting Bioware at all, you're just enjoying their game. They made a game with options in it to screw over the Alliance and you used them...how is that at all getting revenge? Stop insulting Bioware because you don't agree with what a fictional character in a video-game said/did, it's stupid. You just seem too sad to actually just...NOT play the game if you hate it so much, instead you feel the need to play the game and be a "total renegade" and destroy a FICTIONAL universe to stick it to other players...yet those other players aren't connected to YOUR universe at ALL.. So all you're doing is playing the game like everyone else and imagining other players are part of the universe you are destroying when they are in reality...not.


Way to stick it to the man, chump.

[Gamer Genocider]

This is the way I see it in Mass Effect 3. The Paragons get the entire galaxy to help them in the fight with Reapers.

The Renegades basically fight the Reapers with just Humanity and everyone in the Galaxy thinks they are powerful for defeating the Reapers so you secure Human dominance in the Galaxy.

[TridentWhisper]

Paragons: Saved the Genophage Cure = No help from the Salarians. Spared the Rachni = No help from the Krogans. Not giving the evidence at Tali's trial = Bigger chance for Quarians going to war against the Geth. etc.

Pure Paragons trying to play on everybodys team is going to backfire in ME3. Paragons are going to have a hard time picking which side to support in ME3. Renegades will just have an easier time choosing sides.

Bottom line is that I belive Paragons and Renegades will both have a hard time against the Reapers.

[Fiery Phoenix]

No matter your alignment, you will win. I remember a developer back on the old forums stating that the trilogy does end with Shepard defeating the Reapers, so that's really out of the question. The real difference lies within the how of it, which is when your alignment comes into play. I imagine Renegades will only have a harder time against the Reapers, considering they don't have that many allies. But probably nothing beyond that.

[TridentWhisper]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

No matter your alignment, you will win. I remember a developer back on the old forums stating that the trilogy does end with Shepard defeating the Reapers, so that's really out of the question. The real difference lies within the how of it, which is when your alignment comes into play. I imagine Renegades will only have a harder time against the Reapers, considering they don't have that many allies. But probably nothing beyond that.

Yeah, good luck trying to get Turians, Salarians, Krogan, Rachni, Geth and Quarians working together without killing each other .


I'll just keep my Collecter Base and make Batarian smoothies.

[emmanuelsieyes]

Oh god, this thread again.

ITT: Paragons AND Renegades both have really out of place choices. Rewriting the Heretic geth should be a renegade option. Presenting the evidence at Tali's trial should be paragon.

However, the blue and red options for Tali make perfect sense.

[AVPen]

TridentWhisper wrote...

Paragons: Saved the Genophage Cure = No help from the Salarians. Spared the Rachni = No help from the Krogans. Not giving the evidence at Tali's trial = Bigger chance for Quarians going to war against the Geth. etc.

Did you even see or read the Renegade version of Tali's Trial if the Evidence on her father is revealed? The entire Flotilla essentially becomes balkinized, with the majority of the Military ships priming and preparing to go to war against the Geth. 

As an additional note, withholding the Evidence by using either Charm/Intimidate options or Rallying the Crowd option will further give you the opportunity to voice your views to the Conclave as to whether you believe the Quarians should make war or peace with the Geth (which I believe might be a critical decision to import into ME3, but we'll see when the game is released).

Modifié par AVPen, 17 avril 2011 - 05:51 .

[JedTed]

AVPen wrote...

As an additional note, withholding the Evidence by using either Charm/Intimidate options or Rallying the Crowd option will further give you the opportunity to voice your views to the Conclave as to whether you believe the Quarians should make war or peace with the Geth (which I believe might be a critical decision to import into ME3, but we'll see when the game is released).

The way Shepard shakes his head after telling the quarians NOT to go to war makes me think it won't really matter much in ME3.  There's also the email you get from Admiral Xen who claims to have found Rael's research even if you don't present it at the hearing, she wants to use it to reprogram the geth and make them slaves(that can only end badly).

Atleast if you blow up the heretics then there's a chance the quarians won't get completly wiped out when they try to retake their homeworld.

[MikkroBitti]

Casey Hudson in Gameinformer: "The goal is to reward gamers for playing how they want to, not to penalize them by withholding content. It'll be different but not worse."

Modifié par MikkroBitti, 17 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[JKoopman]

Elite Midget wrote...

NoxNoctum wrote...

Uh pretty much all the renegade decisions are just whether or not to let some criminal live or just throw him out the window/blast his head off. Either that or not taking BS from someone, which is just a different (better IMO as history as shown) style of leadership: see Patton. Or making some tough choice about whether to sacrifice certain people to save some other people. Or not talking to some ****** reporter about top secret stuff. I mean cmon.

I can't really remember ANY that involved backstabbing teammates or anything like that.

Renegades aren't "evil", they just get the job done regardless of the cost. Which is what probably MOST people would do if they were faced with an enemy that threatened to wipe out all sentient organic life.

Wasen't Patton killed in an 'accident' after the war ended though? By accident I mean a 'very' suspicious coincidence that he died after the war was over and they didn't need him anymore. Many speculate that he was murdered because he was too much a BA that was only kept around when he was useful to them. With the war over he really wasen't that useful anymore and he pissed off a lot of powerful people so... Yeah.

Patton and two friends were involved in a low-speed collision with a truck making an illegal left turn. No one else in either Patton's jeep or the truck were injured and there was very little damage to either vehicle, but Patton unfortunately hit his head on a metal partition inside the jeep and was taken to a hospital where he later died of a pulmonary embolism.

If it was an assassination attempt, then his assassin was both incompetant and the luckiest sob to ever walk the earth.

Honestly, I haven't heard anyone speculate that Patton was assassinated; let alone many people. But then, some people see conspiracies everywhere...

Modifié par JKoopman, 17 avril 2011 - 06:47 .

[Stukovkh]

I actually just started another playthrough as a renegade shep... I was actually surprised to see the options were more get to the point and or get this sh*t done rather than I'm just an evil ******... Not to mention renegade or not Shepard is always a good public speaker, he makes people follow him through inspiration or intimidation, so irregardless of how he has been, he will find away to find allies in the coming fight.

[masseffectexpert94]

if you go paragon by me3 you will have a cerberus army a krogan army a geth army a rachni army and a alliance army. if you go renegade you will have nothing

[masseffectexpert94]

Stukovkh wrote...

I actually just started another playthrough as a renegade shep... I was actually surprised to see the options were more get to the point and or get this sh*t done rather than I'm just an evil ******... Not to mention renegade or not Shepard is always a good public speaker, he makes people follow him through inspiration or intimidation, so irregardless of how he has been, he will find away to find allies in the coming fight.

renegade means bad ass and right to the point not evil

[MikkroBitti]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

if you go paragon by me3 you will have a cerberus army a krogan army a geth army a rachni army and a alliance army. if you go renegade you will have nothing

How can paragon have Cerberus army? It's renegade who keeps the base...

[jamesp81]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

Stukovkh wrote...

I actually just started another playthrough as a renegade shep... I was actually surprised to see the options were more get to the point and or get this sh*t done rather than I'm just an evil ******... Not to mention renegade or not Shepard is always a good public speaker, he makes people follow him through inspiration or intimidation, so irregardless of how he has been, he will find away to find allies in the coming fight.

renegade means bad ass and right to the point not evil

That's what it's supposed to mean.  And, most of the time, it does.  However, there are some renegade decisions that ARE outright evil.  Two I can think of are executing Shiala and executing the Rachni queen.  Those sorts of renegade choices break the morality system.

[Elliot Slack]

Cerberus fans should not be cheated that Cerberus turned agents Shepard because Cerberus is a results at all costs group that is willing to experiment on other people and assinate people, so Cerberus would not be Cerberus if they were not trying to kill and outsider that knew too much, they could try to capture him and try to experiment on him which could be not be preferable to death. Cerberus is a shady black ops organization and everyone knew that before ME2 even started.

[GodWood]

jamesp81 wrote...
Two I can think of are executing Shiala and executing the Rachni queen.  Those sorts of renegade choices break the morality system.

Just because it makes you uneasy that doesn't mean it's 'evil'.
If you had the option to give the queen to the Council I guarantee they'd have done the same.

[Black_Arrow141]

Elliot Slack wrote...

Cerberus fans should not be cheated that Cerberus turned agents Shepard because Cerberus is a results at all costs group that is willing to experiment on other people and assinate people, so Cerberus would not be Cerberus if they were not trying to kill and outsider that knew too much, they could try to capture him and try to experiment on him which could be not be preferable to death. Cerberus is a shady black ops organization and everyone knew that before ME2 even started.

The Illusive Man is most likely just thinking Shepard turned his back on him, as the Alliance is re-designing the new Normandy, etc. There still may be a chance to get back in his good books after a small confrontation with him. An even better chance for that to work, is if you gave him the Collector base.. he'll have another thing to think about, as Shepard 'did' help him.

Modifié par Black_Arrow141, 17 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Using Tali's trial as an example I would say that the Renegade option isn't about being a d*ck, but a direct 'cut to the chase' move. Rather then wrangle through the red tape and pseudo politics of Quarian's floating trailer park the Renegade lays out all the dirty laundry of Tali's dad and proves her innocence. From a storyline the trial isn't about getting her loyalty it's about proving her innocence. Her loyalty is a game mechanic. If you RP (this is role play game, eh?) then you shouldn't even be worrying about game mechanics. I don't. Tali's in a highly emotional and unstable place during the trial and can't think of things objectively. The Renegade doesn't give a rat's ass about all that - he/she is a soldier that bludgeons through burearcy (I can bludgeon pretty good a la Noveria) and like all soldiers doesn't allow his/her emotions get involved in the way.

A player with high Renegade points may have less options and suffer more casualities - lose more systems to the Reapers etc but in the end they can still 'win'.