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[Statulos]

I think the problem is, again, the push a button and something awesome happens.

Maybe I am terribly biased because I love grand strategy games that tend to have a slow learning curve and it takes time to fully master the mechanics. Well, maybe not anymore because I have played a lot of them but still...

RPG´s shouldn´t be like playing a spreadsheet, sure, but if you play one skipping the dialoge, not caring about customization and in general not caring about the plot... Why are you playing an RPG to beggin with?

Bioware should NOT design games targeted at players like that, because that is simply not what an RPG experience is about. I don´t play sports games because I find the boring to no limit; sport games studios do not (and should not!) care about players like me; so why they should water down their products just like other genres do?

Modifié par Statulos, 22 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[Whisky]

DA:O is not hard, as long as you know some basics. Those who find this kind of game too hard to play ON CASUAL/NORMAL should either:
- play something else, or
- learn to play (this is what I did).

[Oopsieoops]

bzombo wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Origins was too difficult? News to me.
Difficult for lobotomised people, maybe.

snobbish responses like this are a major problem with rpgs today. too many think rpgs are just for them. well, good luck finding games to play. this is why pc games are getting fewer and fewer. too many people with entitlement issues and thinking they're better/smarter than anyone who finds a game hard that they don't. congratulations. you're special.

PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

[SirShreK]

Oopsieoops wrote...
PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

Do you have some data to support that or hearsay? I am genuinely interested. NOT SNARKY AT ALL.

[Oopsieoops]

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...
PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

Do you have some data to support that or hearsay? I am genuinely interested. NOT SNARKY AT ALL.

That's pretty much the standard response devs and companies give for the shift anyway. It's not hard to find articles and interviews supporting that. Eg from this article (http://www.shacknews...-after-consoles) : "To be honest, if PC wasn't pirated to hell and back, there'd probably be a PC version coming out the same day as the other two. The level of  piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because people just steal that version, piracy's basically killing PC."
BTW that's also why multiplayer games are getting such a prominance.

Modifié par Oopsieoops, 22 avril 2011 - 11:37 .

[SirShreK]

Oopsieoops wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...
PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

Do you have some data to support that or hearsay? I am genuinely interested. NOT SNARKY AT ALL.

That's pretty much the standard response devs and companies give for the shift anyway. It's not hard to find articles and interviews supporting that. Eg from this article (http://www.shacknews...-after-consoles) : "To be honest, if PC wasn't pirated to hell and back, there'd probably be
a PC version coming out the same day as the other two. The level of
piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because
people just steal that version, piracy's basically killing PC.
"

Wan't the console version of DA2 pirated before the PC version?

[Anathemic]

Oopsieoops wrote...

bzombo wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Origins was too difficult? News to me.
Difficult for lobotomised people, maybe.

snobbish responses like this are a major problem with rpgs today. too many think rpgs are just for them. well, good luck finding games to play. this is why pc games are getting fewer and fewer. too many people with entitlement issues and thinking they're better/smarter than anyone who finds a game hard that they don't. congratulations. you're special.

PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

I dare you to pirate StarCraft 2

[Oopsieoops]

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...
PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

Do you have some data to support that or hearsay? I am genuinely interested. NOT SNARKY AT ALL.

That's pretty much the standard response devs and companies give for the shift anyway. It's not hard to find articles and interviews supporting that. Eg from this article (http://www.shacknews...-after-consoles) : "To be honest, if PC wasn't pirated to hell and back, there'd probably be
a PC version coming out the same day as the other two. The level of
piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because
people just steal that version, piracy's basically killing PC.
"

Wan't the console version of DA2 pirated before the PC version?

It's easier to pirate a console game, but because to play a pirated game in a console you have to give up technical support, warranty, online play, etc, console users are much less likely to pirate than PC users.

[Marionetten]

Whisky wrote...

DA:O is not hard, as long as you know some basics. Those who find this kind of game too hard to play ON CASUAL/NORMAL should either:
- play something else, or
- learn to play (this is what I did).

This. The game is ****** easy on every difficulty other than Nightmare which might require a few reloads. That said, Nightmare is pretty easy in itself assuming you have some kind of basic understanding when it comes to the underlying gameplay mechanics. If you don't... well, might I suggest a different genre?

Dragon Age: Origins was not a difficult game. That said, Dragon Age II is an even easier game. This is unfortunate.

[SirShreK]

Oopsieoops wrote...

It's easier to pirate a console game, but because to play a pirated game in a console you have to give up technical support, warranty, online play, etc, console users are much less likely to pirate than PC users.

That is true no matter what platform you pirate from.

[Oopsieoops]

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

It's easier to pirate a console game, but because to play a pirated game in a console you have to give up technical support, warranty, online play, etc, console users are much less likely to pirate than PC users.

That is true no matter what platform you pirate from.

I meant you lose those things for your whole console, not just for the game. Because a console won't run a pirated game unless you open it and mess with the chips, pirating a game on a console basically dooms you to gicve up those things forever, unlike pirating on a PC.

Modifié par Oopsieoops, 22 avril 2011 - 11:49 .

[SirShreK]

Oopsieoops wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

It's easier to pirate a console game, but because to play a pirated game in a console you have to give up technical support, warranty, online play, etc, console users are much less likely to pirate than PC users.

That is true no matter what platform you pirate from.

I meant you lose those things for your whole console, not just for the game. Because a console won't run a pirated game unless you open it and mess with the chips, pirating a game on a console basically dooms you to gicve up those things forever, unlike pirating on a PC.

That's completely new knowledge to me being a PC gamer. Thanks. 

[Melca36]

If PC Gamers would not whine about DRM issues, then developers wouldn't have that attitude about PC Games.

[Melca36]

Oopsieoops wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...
PC gamming is declining because of piracy, it has nothing to do with your imaginary entitlements issues.

Do you have some data to support that or hearsay? I am genuinely interested. NOT SNARKY AT ALL.

That's pretty much the standard response devs and companies give for the shift anyway. It's not hard to find articles and interviews supporting that. Eg from this article (http://www.shacknews...-after-consoles) : "To be honest, if PC wasn't pirated to hell and back, there'd probably be a PC version coming out the same day as the other two. The level of  piracy that you get with the PC just cannibalizes the others, because people just steal that version, piracy's basically killing PC."
BTW that's also why multiplayer games are getting such a prominance.

While that maybe the case, it will never totally die.  The death of PC gaming has been predicted for years and it hasn't happened.

PC users just need to stop whining about the DRM issues and grasp the fact that they do not own the game they are buying, they are merely purchasing a license to play it.

[1000questions]

Melca36 wrote...

If PC Gamers would not whine about DRM issues, then developers wouldn't have that attitude about PC Games.

If you dont understand what the DRM issue was then you should not comment on it. I would advice first go and read what the issue is. Understand the privacy concerns , why PC gamers are weary . More importantly why DRM is or is not an issue.

Just one quick question though .... do you have a PC 

[1000questions]

Melca36 wrote...

While that maybe the case, it will never totally die.  The death of PC gaming has been predicted for years and it hasn't happened.

PC users just need to stop whining about the DRM issues and grasp the fact that they do not own the game they are buying, they are merely purchasing a license to play it.

And some people need to understand that it is MY DAMN PC, you can not just install software which you control on MY SYSTEM. which uses my resources and benefits YOU.... I think the developers need to understand this too.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

The thing is, though, that some people won't be good at every single game. I suck at Demon's Souls, but I eventually beat it with persistence. Anyways, not every game is as user friendly as CoD and whatnot. I would hate to see modern gamers play something difficult like Fallout 1/2.

I just wish that developers didn't alienate the entire base that supported the game fully.

[1000questions]

Hey , I can not play chess , it is difficult but I can play carrom, so why not chess guys make the game simple like carrom.

It is not rocket science to understand not every game, every genre is for everyone. You play what you enjoy or learn how to play it.

Just like someone here said demon souls was tough game but people enjoyed it... same goes with the level of difficulty think if you are not comfortable with nightmare mode then select the mode which you are comfortable with...

Modifié par 1000questions, 23 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[MassEffect762]

I'll admit to finding DA:O difficult, especially the first time around the back alleys of Denerim.

I didn't have the patience for it, not that I don't appreciate skillful/tactful gameplay.(I like RTS and even FFTactics)

Once I got a hold of the dev console and nexus mods I never looked back.(doing the same thing for DA2)

I know I'm "cheating" myself of the full experience but it's alright, the combat doesn't do anything for me.(either game)

I look forward to the story(if theres any to be found *leers at EA*) and consequences of player input most.


That's my 00.2

[Whisky]

If they really think Origins is too hard, simply add a super-easy mode or a god mode for casual players. No need to ruin the whole game.

[Spartansfan8888]

Is nightmare on this game really that easy for you guys that play it consistently? I'm finding the hard to nightmare leap a lot more difficult in DA2 than in Origins; this now being my first all nightmare playthrough. The fact that most abilities now have FF and not just the mages really throws me for a loop sometimes; shield bash and mind blast to name a couple.

Enemy immunities are also a new challenge to deal with that wasn't in Origins. Qunari immune to fire and electricity? That means even if you bring both a primal and elemental mage to fight them both mages have half their spells that are useless as well as their preferred staff element.

I tore through nightmare on Origins; nothing really changed except you did less damage and you had to be mindful of where your team was when casting spells. DA2 throws more things at you for nightmare. I'm not used to archers and warriors being able to tear up the team with friendly fire. Maybe it will get easier once I'm used to it but it seems like DA2 gives a more tactical challenge with combat.

[Whisky]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Is nightmare on this game really that easy for you guys that play it consistently? I'm finding the hard to nightmare leap a lot more difficult in DA2 than in Origins; this now being my first all nightmare playthrough. The fact that most abilities now have FF and not just the mages really throws me for a loop sometimes; shield bash and mind blast to name a couple.

Enemy immunities are also a new challenge to deal with that wasn't in Origins. Qunari immune to fire and electricity? That means even if you bring both a primal and elemental mage to fight them both mages have half their spells that are useless as well as their preferred staff element.

I tore through nightmare on Origins; nothing really changed except you did less damage and you had to be mindful of where your team was when casting spells. DA2 throws more things at you for nightmare. I'm not used to archers and warriors being able to tear up the team with friendly fire. Maybe it will get easier once I'm used to it but it seems like DA2 gives a more tactical challenge with combat.

Yes, many players think so, but DA2 doesn't give a more tactical challenge, it just makes every combat much longer and more annoying.

[1000questions]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Maybe it will get easier once I'm used to it but it seems like DA2 gives a more tactical challenge with combat.

I would agree with most of your post but DA2 doesnt give anything more as tactical challenge.

Just sending multiple waves of enemies doesnt make the game tactical, all you need is more potions and running around to cover cool of times. This is not tactical game play.

Now I would have agreed that some enemies and troop types are more resistant to certain things but getting completely immune doesnt make sense ..... nope

[Oopsieoops]

1000questions wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

If PC Gamers would not whine about DRM issues, then developers wouldn't have that attitude about PC Games.

If you dont understand what the DRM issue was then you should not comment on it. I would advice first go and read what the issue is. Understand the privacy concerns , why PC gamers are weary . More importantly why DRM is or is not an issue.

Just one quick question though .... do you have a PC 

Nobody is saying PC gaming will die, just that we will be doomed to afterthought console ports. Which has already
happened in fact. DA2 was made clearly with consoles in mind, and I doubt anyone would argue that.

[1000questions]

Oopsieoops wrote...

Nobody is saying PC gaming will die, just that we will be doomed to afterthought console ports. Which has already
happened in fact. DA2 was made clearly with consoles in mind, and I doubt anyone would argue that.

No , we are not arguing that,it is already wide know fact that EA/Bioware targeted COD/GTA/Button-Mashing console guys...

However I would like to know why people forget about the games which are released only on PC ???? Like Witcher... CDProjeckt game...... anyone ?