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[BattleMageMarian]

I can only see my Shep as a biotic, my favorite class is Vanguard by a mile followed by Adept. I've not been able to get into the soldier in either game. As indicated by my forum name, I've always been partial to battlemage type classes.

[Whereto]

I like the soldier class for one reason only- and this is the reason why its on my main- because if he or she is a soldier it means they have nothing special about them. What do i mean by that? well if your a biotic, you were born great really. Soldier, infiltrator and engineer shep have nothing special about them and dont feel chosen thus more or less ascend to greatness. I know the biotics do to, but the soldiers just feel a that little be more special to me.

Of course i dont speak for everyone, so just stating my opinion

[g-w-m]

Whereto wrote...

I like the soldier class for one reason only- and this is the reason why its on my main- because if he or she is a soldier it means they have nothing special about them. What do i mean by that? well if your a biotic, you were born great really. Soldier, infiltrator and engineer shep have nothing special about them and dont feel chosen thus more or less ascend to greatness. I know the biotics do to, but the soldiers just feel a that little be more special to me.

Of course i dont speak for everyone, so just stating my opinion

I agree. As if Shepard achieved greatness of his own will & ability, as opposed to being born better than others. I find that far more impressive. 

[Deylar]

g-w-m wrote...
I agree. As if Shepard achieved greatness of his own will & ability, as opposed to being born better than others. 

You still have to train to use Biotics? Or no?

Everyone has a talent. Some kids may be better at magic than others. That doesn't make them better than anyone else, just their biology is different.

[Whereto]

Deylar wrote...

g-w-m wrote...
I agree. As if Shepard achieved greatness of his own will & ability, as opposed to being born better than others. 

You still have to train to use Biotics? Or no?

Everyone has a talent. Some kids may be better at magic than others. That doesn't make them better than anyone else, just their biology is different.

Yes that is most definatly the case, but it feels like you were sort of chosen to be great as you are different as a biotic, especially if your as powerful as shepard.Sure it takes training but you still got something that makes u more powerful than most

[Ghost Warrior]

g-w-m wrote...

Whereto wrote...

I like the soldier class for one reason only- and this is the reason why its on my main- because if he or she is a soldier it means they have nothing special about them. What do i mean by that? well if your a biotic, you were born great really. Soldier, infiltrator and engineer shep have nothing special about them and dont feel chosen thus more or less ascend to greatness. I know the biotics do to, but the soldiers just feel a that little be more special to me.

Of course i dont speak for everyone, so just stating my opinion

I agree. As if Shepard achieved greatness of his own will & ability, as opposed to being born better than others. I find that far more impressive. 

Yeah,but that only applies on ME1.In ME2,you have cybernetic implants and you are far from ordinary human.

[lolwut666]

He doesn't use biotics on the cutscenes because, in case you had choosen a non-biotic class, that would look weird.

It would have been nice if the devs made different cutscene animations for different classes, but that not being an option, easier to just keep things neutral.

[Deylar]

Whereto wrote...
Yes that is most definatly the case, but it feels like you were sort of chosen to be great as you are different as a biotic, especially if your as powerful as shepard.Sure it takes training but you still got something that makes u more powerful than most

The problem here is that it feels like people are saying a Construction worker is better than a Mathmatician.

Like construction, soldier or gunsman is a physical job. Yes, there may be some thougt involved, but its all mainly physical.

Biotics is less physical and more mental. To say because someone can use their brain makes them superior is a little ridiculous.

[Aklis]

lulwut666 wrote...

It would have been nice if the devs made different cutscene animations for different classes, but that not being an option, easier to just keep things neutral.

Don't see why it shouldn't be an option, to be honest.

I still remain convinced that Shepard does best without biotics, but that's just my opinion.

[lolwut666]

^

Because the devs are lazy, probably. I can't blame them. It's such a minor thing.

[JaegerBane]

Deylar wrote...

Whereto wrote...
Yes that is most definatly the case, but it feels like you were sort of chosen to be great as you are different as a biotic, especially if your as powerful as shepard.Sure it takes training but you still got something that makes u more powerful than most

The problem here is that it feels like people are saying a Construction worker is better than a Mathmatician.

Like construction, soldier or gunsman is a physical job. Yes, there may be some thougt involved, but its all mainly physical.

Biotics is less physical and more mental. To say because someone can use their brain makes them superior is a little ridiculous.

I think the point being made is that some people find the idea of Shep just being a normal human and yet accomplishing all these amazing things is somewhat more impressive than Shep being born with supernatural abilities and doing the same, not that physical talents are better than mental ones.

I don't agree with that, though. In Mass Effect 2 Shepard is either a cybernetic killing machine or a telekinetic killing machine - neither choice really offers the ability to play a bog-standard human. And I wouldn't want to even if the choice existed. Biotics are plain cool, and I find the idea of playing as a biotic to be far more fun and interesting than playing as a non-biotic. Same reason I prefer mages in the Dragon Age games.

[Whereto]

Deylar wrote...

Whereto wrote...
Yes that is most definatly the case, but it feels like you were sort of chosen to be great as you are different as a biotic, especially if your as powerful as shepard.Sure it takes training but you still got something that makes u more powerful than most

The problem here is that it feels like people are saying a Construction worker is better than a Mathmatician.

Like construction, soldier or gunsman is a physical job. Yes, there may be some thougt involved, but its all mainly physical.

Biotics is less physical and more mental. To say because someone can use their brain makes them superior is a little ridiculous.

Ok then ill use your analogy, lets say there are two people, one is very smart and just understands everything he or she is taught, no effort required. The less itellignet one, wants to become a mathmatician like the other, so he or she studies relentlessly and works for every cm gained. Then the day comes, they both find out they can do the course at uni or college(what ever country they live in). Through out the coruse the naturally gifted one is always just that bit better but  just on his tail is the trying one. Of course these sort of analogies lead to problems in that the jobs arent the same thus you can not compare them to being a soldier which is very much a mental and physical task, where as maths is soley mental

Modifié par Whereto, 16 avril 2011 - 01:54 .

[Bozorgmehr]

Deylar wrote...

Biotics is less physical and more mental. To say because someone can use their brain makes them superior is a little ridiculous.

Indeed.

Not mentioning that running 100 m in 2 seconds (haha, Bolt you're too slow); beating someone to death in 2 s (sorry Mike Tyson you hit like my grandma); somehow damage taken is cut in half (who needs armor); reduce time up to 70 % (sorry Neo, you're not the One), massive damage increase (one shot counts for two) etc.

I'm talking about ARush obviously - doesn't seem like something "normal" folks pull off every day

[PlumPaul93]

for me in ME1 I could never picture shepard as a biotic because light armor made him/her look like a weakling to me. And since then I just rolled as shepard as a soldier because I figured shepard should have real skills not just biotic implants. JMO

[lolwut666]

Seeing as biotic classes offer no gameplay advantages over other classes, and that the only difference between them is which powers and weapons they can use during combat, this thread is more of a throwaway excuse to say that "my favorite class is better than yours".

[Aklis]

Hm. The Mass Effect 2-version of Shepard sort of fits more as a biotic, now that I think about it, if you see it like this; Cerberus entirely rebuilt Shep from scratch, pretty much, and they do admit that they've put in things that make Shep superior to a regular human. There is a remote possibility that it would be possible to expose him to very precise doses of Eezo, and therefore make him develop biotic powers.

Sort of makes sense. I will keep that in mind when doing my latest playthrough.

EDIT: 

lolwut666 wrote...

Seeing as biotic classes offer no
gameplay advantages over other classes, and that the only difference
between them is which powers and weapons they can use during combat,
this thread is more of a throwaway excuse to say that "my favorite class
is better than yours".

I entirely disagree. I've played Vanguard (just never completed either game as one) and I absolutely loved the combination of mindblowing powers and shotguns. I just never really felt like Shepard while doing it.

Modifié par Aklis, 16 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Deylar wrote...

Biotics is less physical and more mental. To say because someone can use their brain makes them superior is a little ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous to say that someone who can throw or smash objects with their mind is superior than those who cannot?

When people mean that Biotic Shepard is superior than non-biotic-Shep, is because biotic-Shepard was basicly born with a unique ability that the majority of humans do not posses.

Sure biotic-Shep still had to train in order to have his powers be that deadly. But it does not change the fact that he was born with a rare ability that puts him ahead of everyone else. This is also the reason why some people (including me) feel that a normal Shepard is more inspirering compared to one with biotics. Since it means that they managed overcome the same odds, but without the luxery of having "super-powers".

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Indeed.

Not mentioning that running 100 m in 2 seconds (haha, Bolt you're too slow); beating someone to death in 2 s (sorry Mike Tyson you hit like my grandma); somehow damage taken is cut in half (who needs armor); reduce time up to 70 % (sorry Neo, you're not the One), massive damage increase (one shot counts for two) etc.

I'm talking about ARush obviously - doesn't seem like something "normal" folks pull off every day

True. Soldier Shepard is something of a supersoldier in ME2 due to the Lazarus project, but I would argue that all Shepard's are.

[Aklis]

While I hate doing this parallel, look at the manga/anime Naruto.

In the beginning, you have Naruto, who basically sucks at just about everything, but, through never giving up (true, he has a demon sealed inside himself) he WILL become the boss, stopping at nothing. You also have Sasuke, who's gifted from the beginning, but still needs to practice to become truly great.

It is the same thing with non-biotic vs biotic Shepard. Non-biotic Shepard is just a regular dude. A non-biotic colonist or earthborn Shepard could just as well have ended up as a farmer or petty criminal with no special abilities whatsoever, or just a regular rank-and-file marine as a spacer.

Biotic Shepard, on the other hand; even if he was just a colonist, his potential for biotics would have been discovered and he would've been a cut above everyone, no matter what career choice he did.

Now, in some eyes, the image of the Jedi who takes on the responsibilities he has because he can is epic.

In mine, someone who takes on the same responsibilities because it's the right thing to do and has been there, slogging in the mud with the worst of them to end up where he is today: That's what makes my Shepard great.

[lolwut666]

^

That depends, man.

You talk like Soldier Shep is just any regular dude, but that's not the case. He is probably one of the strongest and more athletic people in the world. Just because it's not supernatural, it does not mean it's not great.

Using a similar example, on a boxing manga called Hajime no Ippo we have Ippo and Miyata. Miyata has lighting fast reflexes and a natural knack for boxing, but he is frail and weak. Ippo, on the other hand, is clumsy and not very good at sports, but he has amazing strength and stamina. Miyata is considered a genius, while Ippo is an always seen as an underdog, but both succeed in the end. The point is that, while Miyata may be a boxing genius, Ippo is just as good because of his genius-like physical abilities.

That could very well sum up biotic Shep and non-biotic Shep.

[levannar]

Story-wise, I can definitely understand the appeal of the Soldier class in ME2. It may sound strange, but with Jack on the team, Shepard feels much more average and less unique as a biotic to me than (s)he does as a Soldier. It is explicitly stated that Jack is the most powerful human biotic, and therefore, a biotic Shepard is inferior to her. Whereas as a Soldier, Shepard is the very best. Think of it like this: a team of the galaxy's best engineers and most powerful biotics is led by the best soldier.

Having said that, I always play biotic Shepards. I just feel that ME2's story seems to push you a little towards the Soldier class, which never happened in ME1 because it wasn't about gathering the best team.

[Aklis]

lolwut666 wrote...

You talk like Soldier Shep is just any regular dude, but that's not the case. He is probably one of the strongest and more athletic people in the world. Just because it's not supernatural, it does not mean it's not great.

He's athletic, yes. Why? Training. However much sense it would make, I doubt that Shep just popped out of his mother as the dude (or broad) we know him (her) as today.

[Akizora]

At first in ME1 I played a biotic cause I was coming from kotor 1 and 2, I felt that I needed to be an awesome dude with superpowers. In ME2 however I more or less just played it because it was convenient and easier on the 360 than weapons. Singularities are a great defense against husks and either way you get an assault rifle eventually (if you want it).

[lolwut666]

Some people are born with more athletic potential than others.

[g-w-m]

It all comes down to personal preference.

Though its been interesting to read different perspectives on a biotic v. non-biotic Shepard.

Still, Soldier Shep ftw. =P

[Lumek]

Whereto wrote...

I like the soldier class for one reason only- and this is the reason why its on my main- because if he or she is a soldier it means they have nothing special about them. What do i mean by that? well if your a biotic, you were born great really. Soldier, infiltrator and engineer shep have nothing special about them and dont feel chosen thus more or less ascend to greatness. I know the biotics do to, but the soldiers just feel a that little be more special to me.

Of course i dont speak for everyone, so just stating my opinion

sorry, but that's not actually true. While yes, Biotic Shepard is born with some abilities that grant him his awesomeness, but those abilities are worth nothing without implants. However, that's the same case with Soldier shep. Soldiers (and to a lesser extend infiltrators and vanguards) all have genetic modifications, implants, etc. The point is, while yes, Shepard isn't using supernatural he was born with to  be a badass, he's still not normal, He's basically a supersoldier, not just a man who trained to use a gun.