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[Dean_the_Young]

And maybe even slept with him?

You remember how in recruiting Garrus, he got his face blown to pieces?
Remember how, as close to death as he was, you handed him to Cerberus
and didn't ask too many questions? Remember how you were so relieved to
see him that you never asked what 'some cybernetics and other things'
might have implied?

Did you forget Miranda's inclination towards a control chip, but TIM shot her down because it was Shepard?

If you don't like TIM, you may wish you hadn't.


/Mind screw

In all seriousness, yes. I know this isn't going to be revealed as having happened. But I don't think I've ever heard someone raise the possibility, which is even scarier. How much is it that you don't think it could have happened... and how much is that you never wanted to consider the possibility?

Imagine, just imagine, if Cerberus had put a control chip in Garrus... and all that might imply.  How could that have turned out?


(Hint: possibly like this person's interpretation. Warning: not for the faint of heart, or those who like happy endings,)

Edit: Not sure if the link-to is working. Trying to fix it.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 16 avril 2011 - 01:55 .

[candidate88766]

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

It would've made an interesting idead though, but I imagine something similar will happen in ME3 but with indoctrination rather than Cerberus implantation.

Modifié par candidate88766, 16 avril 2011 - 01:59 .

[JeffZero]

That's awesome. It probably won't happen but it would make for one hell of a fun character arc if written right. I mean, on the surface it sounds like not much can be done with it besides TIM blowing Garrus to skullbits but they could turn him into an unassuming spy and give us a fun midway mission involving unveiling the traitor(s) in your operation and then twisting things around to reveal that one of them -- if not the only one -- is a sleeper agent.

Of course even with as dark and gritty as I tend to enjoy things, I'd want a way to save the guy. He's... he's... Garrus.

[JeffZero]

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

Oh. Well that might settle that.

[Dean_the_Young]

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

No one ever said that Chakwas was the only person to work on him... or that she was watching him the whole time.

You know who else is a medical expert at extreme medical procedures? Miranda. Why couldn't she be involved?

[candidate88766]

JeffZero wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

Oh. Well that might settle that.

I now feel like a bit of a party pooper 

[JeffZero]

candidate88766 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

Oh. Well that might settle that.

I now feel like a bit of a party pooper 

Eh, better to know the truth in life than blow hours on the what-ifs of things that can't possibly be... well, most of the time, anyway. :happy:

[Leonia]

The idea actually has crossed my mind before.. what exactly can be done with cybernetic implants? What about.. tracking devices? Maybe TIM can at least know where the Normandy is. Who knows really but given the Evolution comics and Retribution, I don't think TIM is a big fan of turians and isn't very likely to rely on one for anything this sensitive.

Anyway, such a plan would have had to be very spur of the moment.. according to the dossier, TIM didn't know who Archangel was until Shepard went to Omega and even had he known, he couldn't have planned for Garrus' injuries. It seems like a convenient idea until you realise how much planning goes into all of TIM's manipulations, even if it were true it would be a really half-arsed concept. If anything, relying on EDI for spying would be far more reliable and predictable.

Modifié par leonia42, 16 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[didymos1120]

Jacob: "The doc's corrected with surgical procedures and some cybernetics."

Yes, maybe she didn't do it all personally, but the evidence we actually have says she did. So, to me, the most plausible way he could have been chipped was if someone "doped" the implants before handing them off to the doc.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Since when was Miranda 'just' the Operative in charge? She was the one who was correcting Wilson in regards to dosages and medicine readings, and she's never indicated as anything but elbows-in Shepard's ressurection.

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jacob: "The doc's corrected with surgical procedures and some cybernetics."

Yes, maybe she didn't do it all personally, but the evidence we actually have says she did. So, to me, the most plausible way he could have been chipped was if someone "doped" the implants before handing them off to the doc.

Well, I guess that disproves it. No way would anyone ever manipulate medical technology and implants!

That would just be evil.

[candidate88766]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

He is repaired and operated on aboard the Normandy, so it stands to reason that the Dr is the one operating on him (along with Mordin if recruited) and as the Dr has worked with Garrus and Shepard before there is zero chance Cerberus has done anything to him.

No one ever said that Chakwas was the only person to work on him... or that she was watching him the whole time.

You know who else is a medical expert at extreme medical procedures? Miranda. Why couldn't she be involved?

Eh, as much as I like the idea I can't see that Miranda would've had the time to do anything like that even if the Normandy happened to have a stash of control chips and the tools to implant them: its not like she can tell Chakwas to take a break for several hours when it is Chakwas' job as medic to tend to Garrus. Then theres the chance that Shepard was watching part of the operation (Shepard is meant to be a seasoned soldier so I can't see him/her being all squemish here). Also, Miranda is merely in charge of the Lazurus Cell - they did all the work in bringing Shepard back. Miranda may well be very intelligent and have medical training but I she wasn't the top expert on it. She did some of the work, but required a whole team to do it - whcih she doesn't have on the Normandy.

One thing I would like to see is if you give Legion to Cerberus they do something similar to your idea with garrus - i.e. implant him and have a Cerberus controlled Geth.

Modifié par candidate88766, 16 avril 2011 - 02:14 .

[didymos1120]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jacob: "The doc's corrected with surgical procedures and some cybernetics."

Yes, maybe she didn't do it all personally, but the evidence we actually have says she did. So, to me, the most plausible way he could have been chipped was if someone "doped" the implants before handing them off to the doc.

Well, I guess that disproves it. No way would anyone ever manipulate medical technology and implants!

That would just be evil.

It seems like you didn't actually read my post.  Where did I say it disproved anything?  I was actually offering what I thought was the most plausible way it could have been done without alerting Chakwas or having to invoke her looking away at the right moment or whatever.

[Fiery Phoenix]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jacob: "The doc's corrected with surgical procedures and some cybernetics."

Yes, maybe she didn't do it all personally, but the evidence we actually have says she did. So, to me, the most plausible way he could have been chipped was if someone "doped" the implants before handing them off to the doc.

If there is one thing I love about Didy's posts, it's their remarkable objectivity.

[Leonia]

I assume the first thing Shepard would do after telling TIM to get stuffed is have Mordin and Chakwas look over her faithful turian companion. She knows Cerberus is going to be after her when she doesn't give up that base (and even if she does give it up apparently..) and it wouldn't be hard to think "Ok, I pissed Timmy off, this ship definitely has bugs on it according to the Shadow-broker.. I need to make sure all of my squaddies are clean as well as the ship or things are going to going to go bad very quickly." Shepard's not exactly an idiot and she cares about Garrus a great deal, even if they aren't in a romance so of course she's going to have the doctors make sure he is ok and free of any Cerberus influence.

But what a twist it would be if the most loyal of companions ended up being an unintentional spy..that would be good writing, as painful as it would be to experience.

[Dean_the_Young]

candidate88766 wrote...

Eh, as much as I like the idea I can't see that Miranda would've had the time to do anything like that even if the Normandy happened to have a stash of control chips and the tools to implant them: its not like she can tell Chakwas to take a break for several hours when it is Chakwas' job as medic to tend to Garrus.

Why on earth not?

'You've been up for 22 hours, and the crisis point has passed Doctor. Go take a rest: I'm more than suited for the routine cybernetics.'

Then theres the chance that Shepard was watching part of the operation (Shepard is meant to be a seasoned soldier so I can't see him/her being all squemish here).

Why would a seasoned soldier know one medical cybernetic from another? Especially if said cybernetic is meant to look and function like another?

Also, Miranda is merely in charge of the Lazurus Cell - they did all the work in bringing Shepard back. Miranda may well be very intelligent and have medical training but I don't think she's meant to be an expert on it.

She was established as an expert in it from the opening cutscenes and throughout the game whenever Lazarus is referred to. She was just as much the expert in putting Shepard back together, just as he was.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Because Garrus doesn't try to stop you if you destroy the base. If TIM implanted him, I think he would have tried to make Garrus stop you, just like he try to do with Miranda.

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jacob: "The doc's corrected with surgical procedures and some cybernetics."

Yes, maybe she didn't do it all personally, but the evidence we actually have says she did. So, to me, the most plausible way he could have been chipped was if someone "doped" the implants before handing them off to the doc.

Well, I guess that disproves it. No way would anyone ever manipulate medical technology and implants!

That would just be evil.

It seems like you didn't actually read my post.  Where did I say it disproved anything?  I was actually offering what I thought was the most plausible way it could have been done without alerting Chakwas or having to invoke her looking away at the right moment or whatever.

T'was being sarcastic for the benefit of others, not at you. I aplogize: not intending to barb you, as I do agree with you.

[Badpie]

candidate88766 wrote...

You hand him to Dr Chakwas.

Word.  That old gal has your back.

[Dean_the_Young]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because Garrus doesn't try to stop you if you destroy the base. If TIM implanted him, I think he would have tried to make Garrus stop you, just like he try to do with Miranda.

Perhaps, but you could also justify it that while Garrus is a surprise card, control-chip Garrus can't beat 2-1 odds like that, so employing him (only to see him shot down), while great tragedy, would be a wasted move.

No other subordinate besides Miranda might have been counted upon to side against Shepard. With Miranda, however, she makes the go-to first option... and when she says 'no', it's back to 2-v-1.



As for why Miranda hasn't said... well, before SM, she wouldn't admit, and afterwards it might be one of those 'admitting it won't change anything' delimmas about when/if it will be eventually raised.

'Hey, Shep, you boy-toy has been a Cerberus puppet meant to support and watch you since he came back. We can't take the control chip without killing him, and I don't know what actions are him natural and what is him under the chip's influence. Sorry.'

Not the conversation anyone wants.

[Dean_the_Young]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Since when was Miranda 'just' the Operative in charge? She was the one who was correcting Wilson in regards to dosages and medicine readings, and she's never indicated as anything but elbows-in Shepard's ressurection.

Uhm, ... :
Wilson: "It's not working [...]"
Miranda: "Give him another dose!"
... doesn't really sound like she'd knew anything about medics besides adding another dose increases its effects. I could have done so too.

And you missed the points right before how she spotted Wilson's 'error' before he knew, and afterwards when she was continually credited as a central part of the project and not 'just' an overseer?

[Dean_the_Young]

Ah, you clicked the link?