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[jeweledleah]

that story is pure nightmare fuel. and you could theoretically go further and wonder, exactly who is controlling the chip? and now you start wondering, what if the doctor was tampered with as well? and how do we know for sure that Shepard him/her self was not implanted after all? whom can you trust?

/shudder.

realistically speaking I don't think this scenario has happened, but... still, nightmares

[Dean_the_Young]

crimzontearz wrote...

are you kidding me? So Mordin solus who is recreuited because he is a medical genuis who is also a Salarian and therefore suspicious by nature just misses it right?...cool....why? simply to further this pointless hypothetical?

No.

Mordin not noticing can be justified on the basis of it not being easy to notice by design, and him not having reason to look deeper for no reasons. Being a medical genius doesn't make him all-knowing, or all capable. As he himself is quick enough to admit.

All hypotheticals, by their nature, can qualify for 'pointless.' So can talking about video games. In which case, why are you here?

And Miranda? She keeps quiet about a team member who could blow up the Normandy and everyone in it after they turn on Cerberus because it would stirr bad blood? Miranda? Seriously?

Of course seriously: Miranda's sits on a lot of things she doesn't feel like sharing if she doesn't have to.

No confession about her sterility, not a word about the still-obvious conflict of interest between her denounciation of Cerberus and the fact that Cerberus is still watching her sister. Nothing yet about her and Jack post LM, or her and Jacob post LM, or many other things that could stand to be mentioned.

Simply because it doesn't happen in ME2 doesn't mean it can't happen later.

This is, of course, if she does stay quiet about... which is not something I've insisted on, no matter what you wish to insist.

come the **** on you are just climbing mirrors

And doing a better job at justifying it than you.

[Bolboreta]

If Miranda did that, after the paragon ending I'm sure she would have said it, because she quits Cerberus. Or remove it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Miranda didn't mention a lot of things after the Paragon ending.

No one mentioned much after any ending whatsoever. Anything that wasn't revealed before the SM, wasn't.

[Dean_the_Young]

jeweledleah wrote...

that story is pure nightmare fuel. and you could theoretically go further and wonder, exactly who is controlling the chip? and now you start wondering, what if the doctor was tampered with as well? and how do we know for sure that Shepard him/her self was not implanted after all? whom can you trust?

/shudder.

realistically speaking I don't think this scenario has happened, but... still, nightmares

Heheh.

Fortunately, no one is asserting that this scenario did happen. But you can still dream...

[crimzontearz]

you are purposely pushing the least likely outcomes to a potential scenario and comparing them to totally unrelated situations such as Comparing Miranda's sterility to Garrus potentially killing everyone on Board. Or Mordin simply missing control devices because, for no better reason, he is not all knowing when he is plenty ablne to easily find all monitoring devices in the lab. No so far you are climbing mirrors, apparently, for the fun of it.

Enjoy then....since this thread is about having fun and all in all I am simply feeling the need to headdesk several times after reading your replies I think I'll just let it go.

[Dean_the_Young]

crimzontearz wrote...

you are purposely pushing the least likely outcomes to a potential scenario and comparing them to totally unrelated situations such as Comparing Miranda's sterility to Garrus potentially killing everyone on Board. Or Mordin simply missing control devices because, for no better reason, he is not all knowing when he is plenty ablne to easily find all monitoring devices in the lab. No so far you are climbing mirrors, apparently, for the fun of it.

There are so many unwarranted assumptions her as to suspend disbelief.

Edit: Since I realize it's not fair to say such things without consent:
-The assumption that Garrus would be used to kill everyone on board
-That Mordin easily finds the monitoring devices
-That Mordin finds all the monitoring devices




Fortunately...

Enjoy then....since this thread is about having fun and all in all I am simply feeling the need to headdesk several times after reading your replies I think I'll just let it go.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 16 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[atheelogos]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And maybe even slept with him?

You remember how in recruiting Garrus, he got his face blown to pieces?
Remember how, as close to death as he was, you handed him to Cerberus
and didn't ask too many questions? Remember how you were so relieved to
see him that you never asked what 'some cybernetics and other things'
might have implied?

Did you forget Miranda's inclination towards a control chip, but TIM shot her down because it was Shepard?

If you don't like TIM, you may wish you hadn't.


/Mind screw

In all seriousness, yes. I know this isn't going to be revealed as having happened. But I don't think I've ever heard someone raise the possibility, which is even scarier. How much is it that you don't think it could have happened... and how much is that you never wanted to consider the possibility?

Imagine, just imagine, if Cerberus had put a control chip in Garrus... and all that might imply.  How could that have turned out?


(Hint: possibly like this person's interpretation. Warning: not for the faint of heart, or those who like happy endings,)

Edit: Not sure if the link-to is working. Trying to fix it.

Dr Chakwas dude... she wouldn't do that to him

[Dean_the_Young]

Who said it would be Chakwas?

[atheelogos]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who said it would be Chakwas?

:pinched:Why wouldn't it be Chakwas? She's the only surgeon on the ship...

[darknoon5]

It'd be interesting, but for most of the mentioned reasons, I find it much more unlikely then likely that it's true. (Not saying it's impossible, but I'm not really sure Bioware would do something like this at all, and even if they did I think they'd be less subtle)

[jamesp81]

Chakwas did the surgery on Garrus.  I'm pretty sure if someone interferred with her to get mind control over Garrus, it'd have gone something like this....

Miranda: Doctor, I've brought the cybernetic implants
Chakwas: Already have a stash here, but I appreciate the thought
Miranda: You should use these instead
Chakwas: (dirty look) We're not implanting my patient with control chips or tracking devices
Miranda: I suggest you remember who you're working for
Chakwas: (presses silent panic button on her omni-tool)

Shepard: (barges into med-bay and shoots Miranda in the leg): and I suggest you remember who's in command of this ship

And that's if Miranda's lucky.  If she's not, Shepard just shoots her in the head and doesn't say a word.




And on a more meta note, this would not make a very good story line for BW to write.  The Garrus fans would not have it, for one, and for two, not even TIM is so all knowing that he implants everything he sees.  Actually, that sounded a bit wrong now that I think about it

Modifié par jamesp81, 16 avril 2011 - 09:28 .

[Dean_the_Young]

atheelogos wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who said it would be Chakwas?

:pinched:Why wouldn't it be Chakwas? She's the only surgeon on the ship...

Miranda had hands up your ass bringing you back to life.

[Dean_the_Young]

jamesp81 wrote...

Chakwas did the surgery on Garrus.  I'm pretty sure if someone interferred with her to get mind control over Garrus, it'd have gone something like this....

Miranda: Doctor, I've brought the cybernetic implants
Chakwas: Already have a stash here, but I appreciate the thought
Miranda: You should use these instead
Chakwas: (dirty look) We're not implanting my patient with control chips or tracking devices
Miranda: I suggest you remember who you're working for
Chakwas: (presses silent panic button on her omni-tool)

Shepard: (barges into med-bay and shoots Miranda in the leg): and I suggest you remember who's in command of this ship

And that's if Miranda's lucky.  If she's not, Shepard just shoots her in the head and doesn't say a word.

Why would Chakwas's stash not be the Cerberus supplied stash?

And on a more meta note, this would not make a very good story line for BW to write.  The Garrus fans would not have it, for one, and for two, not even TIM is so all knowing that he implants everything he sees.  Actually, that sounded a bit wrong now that I think about it

Just like Bioware would never force a Sole Survivor to side with Cerberus because, hey, that wouldn't be a good story line for BW?

The unwilling traitor is always good for drama.

[atheelogos]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who said it would be Chakwas?

:pinched:Why wouldn't it be Chakwas? She's the only surgeon on the ship...

Miranda had hands up your ass bringing you back to life.

no wrong again

"the Illusive Man selects Miranda to be the head of the Lazarus Cell and puts her in charge of the Lazarus Project. Over the course of two years, Miranda oversees the development and implementation of Cerberus' vast resources towards bringing Shepard back to life. " She was in charge of the project, but did not necessarily work on sheps body.

"While Miranda ran the project, Dr. Wilson was attached to the bio wing, acting as Chief Medical Officer." Wilson was the main person to bring him back. He just worked under Miranda

On top of that Garrus wouldn't want Cerberus in his head and Chakwas and Shepard know that. I don't think they would consent to letting them perform the operation.

[Sajuro]

I am fine as long as I know Garrus wouldn't do it willingly, since he is my Bro.

[atheelogos]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Chakwas did the surgery on Garrus.  I'm pretty sure if someone interferred with her to get mind control over Garrus, it'd have gone something like this....

Miranda: Doctor, I've brought the cybernetic implants
Chakwas: Already have a stash here, but I appreciate the thought
Miranda: You should use these instead
Chakwas: (dirty look) We're not implanting my patient with control chips or tracking devices
Miranda: I suggest you remember who you're working for
Chakwas: (presses silent panic button on her omni-tool)

Shepard: (barges into med-bay and shoots Miranda in the leg): and I suggest you remember who's in command of this ship

And that's if Miranda's lucky.  If she's not, Shepard just shoots her in the head and doesn't say a word.

Why would Chakwas's stash not be the Cerberus supplied stash?

And on a more meta note, this would not make a very good story line for BW to write.  The Garrus fans would not have it, for one, and for two, not even TIM is so all knowing that he implants everything he sees.  Actually, that sounded a bit wrong now that I think about it

Just like Bioware would never force a Sole Survivor to side with Cerberus because, hey, that wouldn't be a good story line for BW?

The unwilling traitor is always good for drama.

"Why would Chakwas's stash not be the Cerberus supplied stash?" It probably was their stash, but to think Chakwas, a doctor, wouldn't know what a control chip looked like and implant one into a patient without knowing it is just silly.

[Dean_the_Young]

What, and somehow you can't disguise a control chip to look like something else?

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

What, and somehow you can't disguise a control chip to look like something else?

I think the better question is, how do you know what a control chip looks like as compared to a regular brain activity monitering chip?

[Sajuro]

atheelogos wrote...
On top of that Garrus wouldn't want Cerberus in his head and Chakwas and Shepard know that. I don't think they would consent to letting them perform the operation.

Ah yes "Cerberus needs consent to perform operations" Paul Grayson has dismissed that claim.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Look, even if Miranda were inclined to stick a control chip in every random Turian who wanders onto the Normandy, there's virtually no chance that she just happened to have one lying around at the time of Garrus Vakarian's extremely random debut and head-injury.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Look, even if Miranda were inclined to stick a control chip in every random Turian who wanders onto the Normandy, there's virtually no chance that she just happened to have one lying around at the time of Garrus Vakarian's extremely random debut and head-injury.

If only Cerberus had a basis for expecting a Turian crew member as a part of high-risk missions in which physical harm was a high probability. Some sort of prior intelligence, a dossier maybe...

Then they could prepare, rather than order after the fact!

[Nathan Redgrave]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Look, even if Miranda were inclined to stick a control chip in every random Turian who wanders onto the Normandy, there's virtually no chance that she just happened to have one lying around at the time of Garrus Vakarian's extremely random debut and head-injury.

If only Cerberus had a basis for expecting a Turian crew member as a part of high-risk missions in which physical harm was a high probability. Some sort of prior intelligence, a dossier maybe...

Then they could prepare, rather than order after the fact!

The dossier, which included no information on who Garrus actually was, conveniently predicted a convenient head injury during recruitment?

Dr. Chakwas, if you'd be so kind, please equip Garrus and all future Turian crewmates with complimentary tinfoil hats. Yes, the ones with the pink fuzzballs hanging on strings, and the cute little anime kittens. Thanks, Doc, I appreciate it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

The dossier, which included no information on who Garrus actually was,

Why would it need to? Unless otherwise specified, you don't need to know that Archangel is Garrus for a control chip to be feasible, only that ArchAngel is a Turian.

And if a given merc can tell you ArchAngel is a Turian, chances are that Cerberus could know as well... whether or not they told you.

conveniently predicted a convenient head injury during recruitment?

Again, why would it need to?

A Turian control chip doesn't need to be implanted at recruitment, only the first plausible opportunity. That it would be seen would be a fortunate turn of fate, but hardly necessary. It coulde be the first mission or the fiftieth or even never.

Remember, the point of a opportunity-contingency isn't that you rely on something to happen... but that you are prepared to take advantage of if it does. That's how contingency programming works.

Dr. Chakwas, if you'd be so kind, please equip Garrus and all future Turian crewmates with complimentary tinfoil hats. Yes, the ones with the pink fuzzballs hanging on strings, and the cute little anime kittens. Thanks, Doc, I appreciate it.

Why would Chakwas need to know she's doing it if, say, the Control Chip is made to look like (and do the job of) a completely benign cybernetic?

Moreover, why would Chakwas need to be the one implanting it at all? We can already justify Miranda helping Chakwas.

[atheelogos]

Sajuro wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
On top of that Garrus wouldn't want Cerberus in his head and Chakwas and Shepard know that. I don't think they would consent to letting them perform the operation.

Ah yes "Cerberus needs consent to perform operations" Paul Grayson has dismissed that claim.

With my Shepard there they do.... but maybe your shepard is weak willed and would let them do whatever on your ship, but hey if thats how you choose to role play I won't judge you:P;)