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[dreman9999]

If I was the alliance I would trial Sheperd guilty no matter what and as soon as Sheperd wakes out of the door....Blam! Have a sniper take him down, to make him look like he was assasinated. Then Sheperd is rush to safty to an enclosed area, have people speculate if he's dead or not for a few days. Then annouce Sheperd's death when he's not. Planet a fake body and make Sheperd a ghost again.

[chelseaisthepan]

I don't have a problem with the trial, per se, but like someone said in another thread, I just want the option to be childish and deny everything.

Judge: You killed 300,000 innocent batarians to save the galaxy from the 'Reapers'. What do you have to say for yourself?
Shepard: Do what? I don't know what you're talking about.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

I can see it now... before the trial starts a certain reporter comes to interview Shepard... WHACK!! WHAM!! XD

[Misnomer]

From what I gathered Shepard more-or-less voluntarily stands trial to prevent a war with the Batarians, while the Reaper threat is coming ever closer.

[Krimson_Wolf]

How I see it is, Shepard is a Spectre, yes, but hes also a member of the Alliance. So its most likely being tried as a member of the Alliance not a Spectre.

[Polliot]

Here's a couple of reasons why Alliance instead of Council trial maked sense:

1.Shepard wasn't there on Spectre business
2.Bahak is not under Council's jurisdiction
3.Shepard's reinstatement was simply cosmetic
4.Shepard is human and that means he is under Alliance's jurisdiction whatever he does and where ever he does it

[TheJiveDJ]

First of all Shep is allowed to do anything he wants (including going into the Terminus) if he believes it to be for the interest of galactic safety. Whether or not the Terminus recognizes Spectres is a different issue all together. The Spectre knows the council cannot support him in the Terminus so he ventures there at his own personal risk.

The council simply states that they cannot send a fleet into the Terminus in support of Shep because that would start a war, but again, he can do pretty much whatever he wants. The only time the council will stop a Spectre is if they believe he/she is in dereliction of duty, or is acting outside of the interests of galactic safety.  Hence I see little reason as to why the council would reprimand him for destroying Bahak.  Spectres do crazy things all the time and get away with it (see Mass Effect Revelation).

/my two cents

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 16 avril 2011 - 11:02 .

[Maj.Pain007]

I thought going to trial was to smooth what happened over so war doesn't break out between the Batarians and Humans.

[tktomma]

 Could it be that perhaps the Council are the ones to put Shepard on trial then?  And would there even be a trial if one didn't take part in Arrival?  Who's to say....

[Zimary]

Everyone seems to assume that the trial has something to do with the DLC....Anybody bother to think it might have something to do with Shepard disappearing while on duty, with the Normandy SR1 being destroyed, and then him popping back up and working for Cerberus with a brand new high-tech ship? Maybe the Arival DLC is just added to that if you did it. It would explain everything, since Cerberus is considered a radical human extremist group equal to terrorists and the Alliance knows nearly nothing about them. It would also explain why the Alliance is in the process of dismantling the ship when you escape on it.

[Kusy]

Hey guys, whatchadoin? Disecting a game's story before any actual information about it was released? Hmm... I'm fine with that. Geeks.

[1136342t54_]

Here is a few reasons many people seem to forget why shepard would be on trial.

Lets take a look at Saren. He is a Spectre and was responsible for the attack on Eden Prime that likely killed hundreds of people. He wasn't there on Spectre business and was on a mission unrelated to Citadel Space safety and killed innocents. The council was able to revoke his spectre status on evidence proving what he did. Shepard may not have killed Citadel space species citizens but he did destroy a Mass Relay, killed 300,000 innocents, and likely incited a war in which the whole point of spectres is to stop wars.

The Systems Alliance is on the Council and a major member to. If the human council member and the Councilors agreed on the trial (which they likely did) then Shepard has no choice but to go to Earth or be declared gone rogue. What Shepard did was in no way related to any mission given to him by the Council. The Council were being very lenient to let you get your spectre status back by working with a terrorist group as long as you don't do anything so big that it could be connected to the Council and Shepard failed that.

Now the only way the Systems Alliance can stop a war with the Batarians is to put Shepard on trial. Actually even a renegade shepard may approve of it since Shepard knows that a war with the Batarians or the larger Terminus systems would make everyone weaker when the Reapers arrive.

[Junker4ce]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but IIRC, the council didn't make it public that Shepard got his Spectre status back. In fact, didn't they restrict his work to the Terminus systems so the public wouldn't know?
I think killing 300,000 might make the council change there minds.

[Junker4ce]

Edit* Double Post

Modifié par Junker4ce, 17 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[CROAT_56]

sorry if this has been asked before but has it been confirmed your on trial for the actions that took place in the Arrival DLC? If that hasnt been confirmed I wager to take a guess that the trial is more of a public interogation into your actions with Cerberus, this would explane why Cerberus is ******SPOILER****** Hunting you in ME3.

Thaughts

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Well, actually... the Renegade response is pretty much **** off, I do as I please.  The Paragon response is to submit to the trial, trusting that you can explain in a rational manner why there was no other choice.  Sure, you are a Spectre, but you are a human first, and the PARAGON thing to do is to follow humanity's laws and judgement.

[TomY90]

dreman9999 wrote...

If I was the alliance I would trial Sheperd guilty no matter what and as soon as Sheperd wakes out of the door....Blam! Have a sniper take him down, to make him look like he was assasinated. Then Sheperd is rush to safty to an enclosed area, have people speculate if he's dead or not for a few days. Then annouce Sheperd's death when he's not. Planet a fake body and make Sheperd a ghost again.

dont like that idea especially considering shepherds disappearance was for logical reasons in ME2.

[wizardryforever]

1136342t54 wrote...

The Systems Alliance is on the Council and a major member too. If the human council member and the Councilors agreed on the trial (which they likely did) then Shepard has no choice but to go to Earth or be declared gone rogue. What Shepard did was in no way related to any mission given to him by the Council. The Council were being very lenient to let you get your spectre status back by working with a terrorist group as long as you don't do anything so big that it could be connected to the Council and Shepard failed that.

Now the only way the Systems Alliance can stop a war with the Batarians is to put Shepard on trial. Actually even a renegade shepard may approve of it since Shepard knows that a war with the Batarians or the larger Terminus systems would make everyone weaker when the Reapers arrive.

This is basically what I was going to say.  The Alliance is part of the Council now, and thus Council business is their business.  Being human, Shepard goes to trial on Earth, but said trial could very well be conducted by the Council, or at the very least with Council supervision.  Since Shepard ultimately answers only to the Council, they would need to be there in some way for it to make any sense.

As for why they would put him on trial in the first place, there's a few good reasons, apart from the obvious blowing up of a star system (not to mention the irreplaceable mass relay).  First, the spectre reinstatement was only if Shepard kept a low profile and restricted his/her operations to the Terminus.  Batarian space is not the Terminus, despite what some here have claimed.  The Hegemony may be a pariah state, but they are not geographically part of the Terminus, and destroying a star system is certainly not keeping a low profile.  Second, they need someone to blame, both the Council and the Batarians, and Shepard is a good scapegoat.  He/she is a good scapegoat because he/she is more or less immune to standard legal procedure unless the Council says otherwise, and because the evidence linking him/her is shoddy, meaning Shepard would go the way of Saren, with the Council scoffing at the lack of evidence.  There's more, but for some reason my brain stopped working just now.  I'll post it if it comes back to me.

[Destroy Raiden_]

sigh...the council clearly explained this if you took back your spector status. If you got it back via the council itself ie kept original one alive they say its in good faith only and so long as you don't do anything too drastic they'll stay away from you.

If you kept them alive and went all rouge insult on them they warn one slip up is all its going to take to bring the galactic arm down on you

and if you killed the council and elected Anderson he gives it to you and says its ceremonial at best he also says it'll do you no good in council space only in select situations so its nothing to write hope about. Anderson gives the best explanation of all three scenarios explaining its limitations and its uses neither of which are get out of jail free cards.

Notice the difference between official ME spector and unofficial ME2 spector

ME: works with council, has council funds, has council to report to after every major mission, has council protection against charges unless the council decides to revoke themselves

ME2: Not working with council they don't' even want to see him really, not filing reports to council, does not have council funds, has a title and no council protection other then the weight of the word itself.

So yes shep can be tried. The council as threatened will bring down the galactic arm on a twice genocidal ren shep and crazy delusional para Shepard. As far as being tried on Earth did the council, shep, codex, or anyone or thing every say where rouge spectors were tried? NO they didn't everyone assumes the council will take care of them but were is such a high profile person to be kept on the citadel by C-sec? Thane recognizes alot of flaws to the system surely not ideal for a rouge spector with unusual allies, then there is the destiny ascension the ship so massive it couldnt' protect itself from the reaper invasion so shoot a few good missiles in the side and its as good as yours nope too much risk so send him back to Earth.

But where on Earth are you going to keep him? The station? Risky probably got as many loop holes in security as C'sec if not more are they even set up with prisons or only brigs? Earth has several places to hide lots of bunkers and putting the trial on TV allows the citizens to see it but no one else to know where the trail is. Shep can be locked up with only a relative small window of places someone like thane could use sense bunkers are usual a one way in and out with guards everywhere it's be much securer to bring him to Earth for a secure trial.

We also have zero evidence to say Saren wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. We certainly don't have the spector handbook that says if you go rouge you'll be tried this way. So the council probably lets the home worlds prosecute their way ward spectors ie Turians go to Palvin, Humans go to Earth, Asari go to wherever their homeworld is ect. regardless of if they have colonies or bases closer. It's better for those worlds to see, hear, and try their own criminals.

[eye basher]

first of all what reaper invasion?cause all the prove went up with the system shepard blew up all shepard has is his/her word and we know the council thinks shepard mentally unstable and yes they gave shepard specter status back but only in the terminus where the council has no authority.

[Destroy Raiden_]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

I can see it now... before the trial starts a certain reporter comes to interview Shepard... WHACK!! WHAM!! XD

Yes! Face of steel report has to be there with no option to avoid her! This trial is right up this girls ally and she'll be enjoying every minute of it! then we can do ren, neutral slap, or  punch or para kick!

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

eye basher wrote...

first of all what reaper invasion?cause all the prove went up with the system shepard blew up all shepard has is his/her word and we know the council thinks shepard mentally unstable and yes they gave shepard specter status back but only in the terminus where the council has no authority.

The reapers that showe up in that former star system are quite obviously there.  It will take them a few months or so to get to another mass relay, but they HAVE arrived.  If the Council doesn't beleive Shepard, oh well The proof is on it's way.

[Lvl20DM]

Having read the GI article, it's not exactly clear that Shep is on trial. The exact words are "inquiry". So Shep goes to Earth and submits to questions - that doesn't mean they can actually prosecute him. Shep could be volunteering for this in order to diffuse the situation with the Batarians.

[commandoclone87]

Back to the point of this thread.  It is not a full-fleged trial just yet, Shepard has been called upon as a Human Alliance soldier. Now that he is known to be alive, his status is likely to be changed from K.I.A. to A.W.O.L. The HA is going to want answers as to wtf Shepard has been doing for the last 2 years and last I heard, soldiers who go AWOL, go to prison.

As a human, Shepard is also subject to the Geneva conventions (or 23rd. Century equivalent) and will need to be brought up on charges of Genocide. If not because they care whether or not 300,000+ plus lives were lost, but because the Human Alliance needs to keep the Batarians from using this to start a war which could cost Humanity its seat on the Council and many Human lives.

And as with Saren's attack on Eden Prime and the Collector's attack on Human colonies, this will be Humanity's problem and to be on the Council is to take care of your own problems. So no, Spectre status, whether you got it or not will not factor into the trial.

Besides, If you are a Renegade Shepard, you couldn't care less why they are putting you on trial, because you're expecting your buddies in Cerberus or your crew to break your butt out of prison and off you go to use the Presidium's lake as your toilet.

Besides, Bioware needs some plot device to introduce the end of the world and just as the Galaxy is calling you crazy for believing in Reapers, to have them show up and prove you right is a very common way to do it.

[HighMoon]

Moot... how I hate that word. It's comparable to someones mouth overflowing with condensed milk.