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[Dave666]

commandoclone87 wrote...

Back to the point of this thread.  It is not a full-fleged trial just yet, Shepard has been called upon as a Human Alliance soldier. Now that he is known to be alive, his status is likely to be changed from K.I.A. to A.W.O.L. The HA is going to want answers as to wtf Shepard has been doing for the last 2 years and last I heard, soldiers who go AWOL, go to prison.

As a human, Shepard is also subject to the Geneva conventions (or 23rd. Century equivalent) and will need to be brought up on charges of Genocide. If not because they care whether or not 300,000+ plus lives were lost, but because the Human Alliance needs to keep the Batarians from using this to start a war which could cost Humanity its seat on the Council and many Human lives.

And as with Saren's attack on Eden Prime and the Collector's attack on Human colonies, this will be Humanity's problem and to be on the Council is to take care of your own problems. So no, Spectre status, whether you got it or not will not factor into the trial.

Besides, If you are a Renegade Shepard, you couldn't care less why they are putting you on trial, because you're expecting your buddies in Cerberus or your crew to break your butt out of prison and off you go to use the Presidium's lake as your toilet.

Besides, Bioware needs some plot device to introduce the end of the world and just as the Galaxy is calling you crazy for believing in Reapers, to have them show up and prove you right is a very common way to do it.

A few points here, Shepard can't be classed as AWOL.  Shepard was released from the Alliance when (s)he became a Spectre.  Hacket even says as much in ME:1. 

Saying its a Human problem just doesn't cut it.  Shepard is no longer a member of the Alliance and is now (in some playthroughs) a Spectre again.

Would a Renegade Shepard who couldn't give a damn about a trial even show up?

[Urdnot Orrad]

Akizora wrote...

It would be very easy for the council to simply move the trial to earth as a political move to avoid an all-out war with the Terminus systems. Political maneuvering is done all the time and I doubt it's missing from the mass effect universe.

... Ya think so, do ya?

[CubbieBlue66]

Saren was a Spectre. And when he attacked Eden Prime, the Council stripped him of his status and sought to have him apprehended to pay for his crimes. It's not like being a Spectre is the same thing as immunity from prosecution.

And given the fact that Earth will only be prosecuting Shepard to avoid war with the Batarians, it isn't a stretch to say that the Council would be more than willing to say "sorry, you went too far" to avoid a full-scale war of their own with the Batarians.

Of course, the devs could always get crazy in-depth and have a prosecutor argue jurisdiction simply because Shepard did so many of those N7 sidequests in ME. Obviously he still thinks of himself as Alliance.

Modifié par CubbieBlue66, 17 avril 2011 - 03:48 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

Saren was a Spectre. And when he attacked Eden Prime, the Council stripped him of his status and sought to have him apprehended to pay for his crimes. It's not like being a Spectre is the same thing as immunity from prosecution.

And given the fact that Earth will only be prosecuting Shepard to avoid war with the Batarians, it isn't a stretch to say that the Council would be more than willing to say "sorry, you went too far" to avoid a full-scale war of their own with the Batarians.

Of course, the devs could always get crazy in-depth and have a prosecutor argue jurisdiction simply because Shepard did so many of those N7 sidequests in ME. Obviously he still thinks of himself as Alliance.

Know what I think would be funny? If the batarians are steaming mad, but then the Reapers show up during the trial-- of course they will, but that's not my point here. What I mean is, what exactly is gonna happen with them once EVERY space-faring race in the galaxy that was aware of the Council and Shepard... realizes Shep was right all along?

Asari Councilor: *looks to Turian Councilor* "I knew you shouldn't have jinxed us with the air-quotes..."

Modifié par Urdnot Orrad, 17 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[MasterSamson88]

The-Person wrote...

Anyways, the council could just renounce your status. You kind of did blow up an entire system, and to the council the Reapers do not exist, so you pretty much threatened citadel space by attacking the Batarians.

I think this is probably the most logical explanation. The council warned Shep to keep a low profile, and there Shep goes, blowing up worlds.

Modifié par MasterSamson88, 17 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[commandoclone87]

Dave666 wrote...

commandoclone87 wrote...

Back to the point of this thread.  It is not a full-fleged trial just yet, Shepard has been called upon as a Human Alliance soldier. Now that he is known to be alive, his status is likely to be changed from K.I.A. to A.W.O.L. The HA is going to want answers as to wtf Shepard has been doing for the last 2 years and last I heard, soldiers who go AWOL, go to prison.

As a human, Shepard is also subject to the Geneva conventions (or 23rd. Century equivalent) and will need to be brought up on charges of Genocide. If not because they care whether or not 300,000+ plus lives were lost, but because the Human Alliance needs to keep the Batarians from using this to start a war which could cost Humanity its seat on the Council and many Human lives.

And as with Saren's attack on Eden Prime and the Collector's attack on Human colonies, this will be Humanity's problem and to be on the Council is to take care of your own problems. So no, Spectre status, whether you got it or not will not factor into the trial.

Besides, If you are a Renegade Shepard, you couldn't care less why they are putting you on trial, because you're expecting your buddies in Cerberus or your crew to break your butt out of prison and off you go to use the Presidium's lake as your toilet.

Besides, Bioware needs some plot device to introduce the end of the world and just as the Galaxy is calling you crazy for believing in Reapers, to have them show up and prove you right is a very common way to do it.

A few points here, Shepard can't be classed as AWOL.  Shepard was released from the Alliance when (s)he became a Spectre.  Hacket even says as much in ME:1. 

Saying its a Human problem just doesn't cut it.  Shepard is no longer a member of the Alliance and is now (in some playthroughs) a Spectre again.

Would a Renegade Shepard who couldn't give a damn about a trial even show up?

Hackett said that Shepard was still Human and still is a representative of Humanity and the Alliance even though they were a Spectre. And if Shepard was not considered part of the Alliance, why would the Alliance still consider Shepard a commander. It seemed to me that they were considering the commander a loaner to the Council. Further still they will want Shepard's account of the last 2 years.

In both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, whenever it came to something that is not affecting another Council race, it was considered a Human problem and did not warrant Council intervention. Shepard's actions in Arrival, while affecting the whole Galaxy, The Council sees this as an ongoing issue between Humanity and The Batarian Hegemony. Two long-time enemies with A LOT of bad blood between them. Even "IF" the Council viewed the matter as one of some concern, they would not interfere in fear of retaliation from the Hegemony.

As for Renegade Shepard, he's gonna show up because it will be a major plot-device. If not, then the Alliance issues a warrant/subpoena and he gets dragged in anyway.

[IamSithari]

Let's all remember if shepard didn't save the council he's screwed royally because the old wasn't alive to reinstate his spectre status. That would mean had no legal right blow up the mass relay, and destroying anything 'prothean' to them is like spiting in someones eye hope they don't attack u for it. But the alliance will put him on trial because all the brass in alliance knows he's working for cerberus, don't forget that if you sending them intel on cerberus during and after some of they sidequests they obviously will know. And the TIM is against him for destroying the collector base then he has no where to turn and if he allowed most of the alien crew members to die then he won't have anyone to back up his word to their race on his capabilities. All asari will listen to a justcar, when the turians find out that garrus fought saren and the collectors and that he's archangel their gonna stroke his fringe. The krogan will grunt because he's their better and he follws the commander. The quarians need him he singlehandedly defeat the geth, and the outcast humans knows he'll always fight for their cause and regular humans and biotics need him if plan on surviving everything the galaxy has to throw at it. If TIM thinks there's something beyond the reapers then they'll need shepard. He'll plead not guilty for reasons of being a GOD.

[IamSithari]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

Saren was a Spectre. And when he attacked Eden Prime, the Council stripped him of his status and sought to have him apprehended to pay for his crimes. It's not like being a Spectre is the same thing as immunity from prosecution.

And given the fact that Earth will only be prosecuting Shepard to avoid war with the Batarians, it isn't a stretch to say that the Council would be more than willing to say "sorry, you went too far" to avoid a full-scale war of their own with the Batarians.

Of course, the devs could always get crazy in-depth and have a prosecutor argue jurisdiction simply because Shepard did so many of those N7 sidequests in ME. Obviously he still thinks of himself as Alliance.

 no actually saren got stripped of his status because he got caught and eden prime was a council mission he screwed up attacking at the same moment that the monster that his shepard was about to be unleashed.n.

[IamSithari]

It could that be that with all the trauma suffered previous ms1. Shepard could be crazy, and trial is humanities effort to wrestle control from the council by putting a spectre on trial. Spectres are arm the right hand of the council and their shadow power. Just like cerberbus is the alliances shadow power, nobody in the alliances hates TIM they just dislike his methods. In my point of view they knew kenson was gonna destroy the relay. Shepards job was to bring her back to face the music. But object rho happened and it all went hell. I have two throughs P/R and I'm. Looking forward to the trial.

[Uszi]

It seems like given that the Alliance is an enitirely different political body, they can prosecute Shephard however they damn well please. I don't see why they should care about Spectre status.

[Ghost Warrior]

Then maybe Shepard must have two trials. 164 years of prison.

But seriously,maybe Council refused to trial Shepard. Maybe they just don't want his reinstatement to go public,or they feel like they are personally involved (after all,Shepard did sacrifice thousands of human lives to save them.) But if he left Council die,they never actually reinstated him,only Anderson if chosen for Councilor and that doesn't count.

[Kasces]

1.) Your Spectre status in ME2, if you even want it back, is cosmetic at best. Anderson and/or the Council tell you it's just a show of good faith that you'll keep a low profile.
 
2.) Unless the Council explicitly comes to take Shep away as "their problem", Spectre status doesn't matter. A crime is a crime and it was not in the galaxy's best interest since near no one believes the Reapers exist. 

3) I recall the GameInformer article saying something along the lines of: "There's no time to say 'I told you so' to the Council" as the Reapers invade during the trial/prologue, so the Council could very well be on Earth, whether physically or holographically so, to clear up Shep's status and if it matters in this context. They will unarguably say it doesn't. 

4) Reapers invade mid-trial anyway, so the trial probably won't matter as the Reaper threat proves all too real.

MasterSamson88 wrote...

The-Person wrote...

Anyways, the council could just renounce your status. You kind of did blow up an entire system, and to the council the Reapers do not exist, so you pretty much threatened citadel space by attacking the Batarians.

I think this is probably the most logical explanation. The council warned Shep to keep a low profile, and there Shep goes, blowing up worlds.

Also this. And I lol'ed.

Modifié par Kasces, 17 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[TheDarkLordOfMordor]

Given that the batarians knew about Kenson being an undercover agent and Hackett never said anything about them recognizing Shepard as anyone but 'solitary rescue party', why couldn't the Alliance brass say somenthing along the lines of "Dr. Kenson went crazy and did it."? She actually bears the lion's share of the blame in this matter since she didn't read the safety advice: IF IT'S REAPER TECH DON'T TOUCH IT UNLESS YOU KNOW FOR SURE IT'S DEAD!