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[Rifneno]

haroldhardluck wrote...

You must have Anders in the party. Otherwise the sibling just dies and that is the end of their story. After some playing around with the various possibilities for the siblings, I decided that making them a grey warden was the best choice.

Why's that?  I've seen a lot of people say the warden choice is the best one but I don't really see it.  Bethany seems to hate it.  It is indeed a hard and short life, too.  While the Circle sucks for her, she will be free in a few years and it opens her eyes in her words.  Carver... well, I just don't think the bastard deserves the honor of being a warden.  The nail in that coffin is that if Hawke takes him to the Deep Roads, Hawke is one that's breaking Leandra's heart by refusing to listen to her when she pleads with him not to take Carver into darkspawn territory.  If Carver joins the templars on his own because he just wants to be an **** to his mage brother/sister then that's his own doing.  Besides, she can still see him if he's a templar recruit I'm sure.

[sonoko]

haroldhardluck wrote...

sonoko wrote...

As for to take or not Carver with me to the Deep Roads I decided that if he himself wants to go with me so much then let it be his choice whatever the consequences. And I was happy with the result since gray warden Carder is cool.

You must have Anders in the party. Otherwise the sibling just dies and that is the end of their story. After some playing around with the various possibilities for the siblings, I decided that making them a grey warden was the best choice.

Harold

I know it now but when I started my first playthrough i was (mostly) unspoiled. Carver is one of my favorite characters and I'm glad I managed to get him alive and being gray warden without reading any spoilers. Now he is always gray warden in all my games. I watched some videos with him as a templar on youtube and that was meh.

[JnEricsonx]

I give Bioware credit, first time I played, I brought A: Carver with my mage because his brother wanted a bit of glory and I felt like he should get some, and I brought Anders with me because I figure two mage aoe masters of death is better than one, and boy did I luck out, when I heard Varric say "If we knew what was down there, the Champion would never have brought his brother." A chill went down my back, I was worried as hell that whole section. Kudos for Bioware for pulling some serious emotional moments in this game, cause then there was the Leandra bit-word of advice, don't frak with a mage's family, he WILL obliterate you. And then there was Anders nuking the Chantry, I took about 15 seconds to decide to kill him, and this was my noble, friendly and occasionally wise-ass mage deciding to do this,

[Saephy]

Rifneno wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

You must have Anders in the party. Otherwise the sibling just dies and that is the end of their story. After some playing around with the various possibilities for the siblings, I decided that making them a grey warden was the best choice.

Why's that?  I've seen a lot of people say the warden choice is the best one but I don't really see it. .

On my first playthrough, that is spoiler free playthrough, I left Carver in Kirkwall and he went off to be a templar.
After that I´ve taken him with me a few times.
I can`t speak for anyone else, but I suspect one of the reasons people find the Grey Warden path better for him is that there´s less animosity aimed at Hawke by going this way.
In either case it´s stated he rarely writes his family and has little contact with them, but in the Grey Warden case there`s a more objective reason for why he doesn`t.
Personally I´d say the templar route is better for him, sure he´s pissed off at you for not bringing him, but as you say, the life of a Grey Warden isn`t exactly a camping trip.
I find the "reunion" more... touching (for lack of a better word)  when he`s a templar too.

And what about Peaches if he becomes a Warden! 

[Braindeer]

sonoko wrote...

The Anders dilemma has never been difficult for me. On my first playthrough during "Justice" quest I understood that he is going to do something against the Chantry and Grand Cleric, but since my Hawke always supported mage's revolution and hated Chantry that beautiful explosion was a pleasant surprise for her rather than betrayal. I was so proud of Anders! Definitely the best moment of the game for me! A pity you can't hug or kiss or brofist him when he is sitting on his emo-box after the explosion...

Absolutely! I was punching the air when the Chantry blew.

[Plaintiff]

This is a basic rundown of how it went for me:

Me: Dude! You blew up the Chantry! High Five!
Anders: I know, I'm a terrible person! Execute me, I deserve it!
Me: But if I kill you, then who will I have sex with?
Sebastian: WTF is this ****?! I demand blood! Gank his ass or I quit!
Me: Well in that case... don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[Northern Sun]

Anders decision was easy for me: I give him what he wants(become a martyr), appease Seb, and pay him back for being a total ***** to my lover.

[Rifneno]

Plaintiff wrote...

This is a basic rundown of how it went for me:

Me: Dude! You blew up the Chantry! High Five!
Anders: I know, I'm a terrible person! Execute me, I deserve it!
Me: But if I kill you, then who will I have sex with?
Sebastian: WTF is this ****?! I demand blood! Gank his ass or I quit!
Me: Well in that case... don't let the door hit you on your way out.

You forgot this part the part where Meredith goes, "Kneel before Zod!"

[Yakko77]

I think the only way to get Merill's friendship is to help her down her dark path. I'd rather steer her away from blood magic but that just maxes out her rivalry if I'm not mistaken.

[haroldhardluck]

Rifneno wrote...

Why's that?  I've seen a lot of people say the warden choice is the best one but I don't really see it.  Bethany seems to hate it.  It is indeed a hard and short life, too.  While the Circle sucks for her, she will be free in a few years and it opens her eyes in her words.  Carver... well, I just don't think the bastard deserves the honor of being a warden.  The nail in that coffin is that if Hawke takes him to the Deep Roads, Hawke is one that's breaking Leandra's heart by refusing to listen to her when she pleads with him not to take Carver into darkspawn territory.  If Carver joins the templars on his own because he just wants to be an **** to his mage brother/sister then that's his own doing.  Besides, she can still see him if he's a templar recruit I'm sure.

Bethany eventually warms to being a warden and given the way mages are treated, it is a better life even after the Circle is broken. The wardens still exist as an organization and provide protection for her. As for Carver, as a warden he is less insufferable than as a templar. Besides the encounter during the end of act 2 implies the wardens will be playing a part in DA3. So maybe the sibling will show up as a warden.

Also from the story point, Hawke is well regarded by both sides and while you the player may have chosen sides long before the final confrontation, he is still considered an impartial 3rd party by Meredith and Orsino for most of the game. So keeping the sibling out of either camp seems to be the right thing to do.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

Yakko77 wrote...
I think the only way to get Merill's friendship is to help her down her dark path. I'd rather steer her away from blood magic but that just maxes out her rivalry if I'm not mistaken.

However you can marry her even with max rivalry which really should not happen.

Harold

[Rifneno]

haroldhardluck wrote...

Bethany eventually warms to being a warden and given the way mages are treated, it is a better life even after the Circle is broken. The wardens still exist as an organization and provide protection for her. As for Carver, as a warden he is less insufferable than as a templar. Besides the encounter during the end of act 2 implies the wardens will be playing a part in DA3. So maybe the sibling will show up as a warden.

I don't know about that (in regards to Bethany).  She says something along the lines of "I'm sorry about that.  You saved my life and I didn't even realize it."  It seemed more like she was apologizing for taking it badly rather than that she had warmed up to being a warden.  Warden or not, people will still view her as a mage.  They did towards the mage origin in DAO.  For instance Murdock grunts, "Great, magic.  As if we didn't have enough to deal with."

As for Carver, I'm still kind of on the fence.  Looked up his dialogue on youtube for a warden Carver and he's definitely much better.  I'm still just not sure if he deserves it.  Bethany would probably hate being a warden because she just wants a normal life, whereas Carver would love it.  The entire reason he's a bitter douche to Hawke is because Hawke makes something of him/herself and he's a failure.  After blaming Bethany's death on Hawke for pure spite (and Leandra's later, if he's a templar and given the chance) I'm not too anxious to give him what he wants.

Also from the story point, Hawke is well regarded by both sides and while you the player may have chosen sides long before the final confrontation, he is still considered an impartial 3rd party by Meredith and Orsino for most of the game. So keeping the sibling out of either camp seems to be the right thing to do.

But in-character Hawke can't possibly know that Bethany/Carver will wind up the Circle/Templars if left behind.  If one is making the decision based on which faction you want them in, it has to be a metagame decision.

[AlexXIV]

Wardens get the curse. They are not immune to it, it just does have a different course than if people are getting infected in battle or whatever. So yeah making Bethany a Warden is letting her getting the curse. She won't grow old, will have nightmares and spend her life fighting darkspawn. Not to mention that she probably never can have children. If she joins the Circle she does have a couple of difficult years there but eventually the Circle dissolves and Hawke can have her back and she can have a 'relatively' (for a mage) normal life.

I admire Wardens and all and I love my Grey Warden but I would not wish someone I care for to become a Grey Warden.

[DA_GamerGal]

tek427 wrote...

Anyway my point is: what was the hardest decision in Dragon Age II for you? What made it so hard?

On my first playthrough I was absolutely devastated when Anders blew up the Chantry! I was in a romance with him and he broke my heart. I was so upset and shocked ... and felt so betrayed, so I killed him. Then I felt horrible!
It took me a good 5 minutes to decide, though... that really was one of the hardest game choices I have ever made. 

 On a second playthorugh I let him live and we ended up running away together, but I ended up killing him two more times in other playthroughs (though one of those times he forced the issue when he showed up at the circle).

[SupidSeep]

Anders was easy - death was too merciful for him. If he had planted a dung bomb in Meredith's office - I would happily go along with it.
It was also easy to side with the Circle - both sides have faults but IMAO Meredith clearly was in the wrong to use the actions of a rogue mage as an excuse to annul the Circle.
Merril was harder for me, I want to be nice to her but I don't approve of blood magic so had quite a few issues there ... until I decided that enough is enough, I should have been firm on my stance against blood magic.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Wasn't that hard of a decision: While I didn't like Sebastian or his voice that much, Anders had to die for what he just did.

Now, Origins' endgame choice was much more difficult for me: either sacrifice yourself for the greater good, or allow the being you spent an entire game to be reborn, letting a huge and sure-to-backfire loose end exist. Then Awakening came, and meh...

[graavigala85]

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]graavigala85 wrote...

Killing Anders was difficult choice? Hell it was the easiest choice I had to make in whole game. That wanker lied to you and then went and blew people who were innocent and then saying "It was all for good of mages" THE HELL!!! Thats like some terrorist nuking piece of from world and then they are all like "We did to improve the image we have now"

My hardest part was when I had to decide if the child killing lunatic should live or die, and that was only because I had trouble deciding if I want +points for Fenris or Isabella..

Anders... PFFT!!!

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Dwarven ale.  It's not for amateurs, folks.

But its so sweet and bubbly!

[Sammyjb]

Mine was Magistrates Order, which was apparently written by an intern. Alas, 0 repercussions as far as I know.

[EpicTragedy]

what bothered me about that is I wanted anders to help me fix the pile of **** mess he created, then kill him (or rather have him kill himself, sepoku-type suicide) to end the shame he brought upon himself

but it's like, you have to kill him on the spot (which doesn't give him a chance to redeem himself, then pay later), or let him go free and unpunished as if what he did was right

[Rifneno]

Sammyjb wrote...

Mine was Magistrates Order, which was apparently written by an intern. Alas, 0 repercussions as far as I know.

How is "do I let a serial killer who targets children (and given the way they dance around the topic of rape and the way he refers to the children as "too beautiful," quite possibly a child molestor) go to his father who will release him, or kill him as even he knows is right" a difficult decision?

[TiaraBlade]

tek427 wrote...

I've just finished my first playthrough of Dragon Age II and I encountered my toughest choice in the game. Either kill Anders for nuking the Chantry and sparking a war between the mages and templars, or lose Sebastian and (potentially) have him seek vengeance on Hawke and Anders sometime in the future. What made this choice so hard was because I like both Anders and Sebastian and I hate having campanions leave my party forever. After sitting at my keyboard for about 10 minutes I decided to have Anders rejoin my party at the expense of Sebastian swearing vengeance on me.

Congrats to Bioware for making a situation where I had to truely think of what I wanted. Although I feel bad for Anders for those that killed him.

Anyway my point is: what was the hardest decision in Dragon Age II for you? What made it so hard?

I didn't find that decision hard. After the shock wore off, I looked at my choices. No WAY he was coming back to my party: he used and betrayed me in the worst way and that trust, once broken, can never be regained. As for letting him go, I saw his lack of remorse and knew he would did it again. Anyone who died at his hand directly or indirectly would stain my hands as well. That left the last option...

I never thought I'd do that in a Bioware game but it was the only decision I felt I could make: justice was needed and I served it even as my heart was breaking. While not my love interest, he was my friend and... well friends don't betray each other like that.

[haroldhardluck]

Rifneno wrote...
But in-character Hawke can't possibly know that Bethany/Carver will wind up the Circle/Templars if left behind.  If one is making the decision based on which faction you want them in, it has to be a metagame decision.

It is impossible to not make a metagaming decision on a replay of the game. When discussing which fate for the sibling is best, you are talking about metagaming decisions as you have no idea that there is more than one fate unless you have already played the game once.

Harold

[Zackaroth22]

Anders was a hard choice for me. My male hawke and him were bros. Yeah he ****ed alot and hit on me even though my Hawke didn't roll that way but they were good friends. And Anders betrayed that trust. My hawke couldn't bring himself to kill Anders but couldn't ignore what he did so he sent him away and never wanted to see him again.

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Well the ending for me was a pretty easy choice. I've been a Templar and Chantry guy since Origins and if Anders wants to die I'll stick a knife in his back.

[Kragghack]

AlexXIV wrote...

Wardens get the curse. They are not immune to it, it just does have a different course than if people are getting infected in battle or whatever. So yeah making Bethany a Warden is letting her getting the curse. She won't grow old, will have nightmares and spend her life fighting darkspawn. Not to mention that she probably never can have children. If she joins the Circle she does have a couple of difficult years there but eventually the Circle dissolves and Hawke can have her back and she can have a 'relatively' (for a mage) normal life.

I admire Wardens and all and I love my Grey Warden but I would not wish someone I care for to become a Grey Warden.

On the other side, Hawke (or anyone else) doesn't know that the Circle will crumble in a couple of years, so if she goes to the circle it is for life when it happens. We know that the circle will fall ownit since we have played the game, so it may make the choice easier. But then it is not a "RPG-chocie" where you play a character who makes chocies dependent on his knowledge and personality but ou you who make a perosnal chocie for whats best in the end of the story.