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[upsettingshorts]

*clears throat*

If I had to make an attempt at an "objective" guess, it would be that people are upset because of fear. They're afraid that a genre they are fans of - best represented for better or worse by Dragon Age: Origins - is going to disappear, or at least morph into something they no longer recognize. I'm not unsympathetic, one of my favorite genres - flight (and space) sims - has been on life support for about a decade now. Mike Laidlaw in his role as lead designer to Origins' sequel is basically the guy who personifies the future of that genre. If he is essentially making statements that imply what said individuals fear will happen to such games, then hostility is natural. It doesn't make it wise or useful, but it does make it understandable.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[Blacklash93]

I hope Bioware understands that the least of DA2's problems lie in the faster combat and new dialogue system.

How bland and lifeless Kirkwall is. How few areas there are. The rehashed dungeons. Insta-spawning. Glitches. Those are what make DA2 no more than just mildly decent.

[Kail Ashton]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I hope Bioware understands that the least of DA2's problems lie in the faster combat and new dialogue system.

How bland and lifeless Kirkwall is. How few areas there are. The rehashed dungeons. Insta-spawning. Glitches. Those are what make DA2 no more than just mildly decent.

What does this have to do with the topic? oh right nothing, any exscuse to whine endlessly right? 

but let's look at the stupider common complaints found here: bland and lifeless(origins??)? rehaashed dungeons(origins dlc much?) insta spawning? (where do those darkspawn come from in origins hmm?)& gasp! glitches! in a modern western game? no wayz!  once again follow the leader mentality here cause clearly you never played origins and saw some random troll here say that in some half assed justifcation to his need for attenion and now you're simply copying him

Yet again the sheer lack of common sense and independant thought by users on these forums truely boggles the mind, they will simply follow anytroll sheep herder like good little sheep out of some need for attention to be part of a group mind no matter how obviously hypcritical & idiotic their points are

Does DA2 have faults? certinly, do it have so many drastic ones to warrant the never ending stream of stupid that pours out of the majorioty of you? no, whining endlessly does not fix anything nor does only focusing on every minor negative cause someone else said it, think for your selves for once in your goddamn lives and truely poner how awful/good DA2, i'm sure once you actually step away from living on these forums 24/7 in the group mind atmosphere of mindless negativity you' might actually *gasp!* enjoy DA2? i know! shocking what thinking for yourselves could do!

[Abispa]

There are many fans who hated DA2 before it even came out, and even a "perfect" DA2 would never have made them happy since it's obvious that DA2 was never going to be a direct sequel, nor was it going to keep the "old school" RPG formula. I can sympathize, but in the end ignore that groups' cries of outrage.

I did enjoy DA2, and have completed several play-throughs already. I loved the rival/friend system, the characters, voice acting and the dialog wheel and I don't mind the gooey red fireworks during combat.

But it isn't perfect. The level design and reused maps can be embarrassing, and the inconsistencies in the mage storyline (ironically, the canon storyline) stretches credulity to breaking point.

I am CAUTIOUSLY awaiting the DLCs for this game, but I will expect a HELL of a lot better from Bioware the next time around. My problem with the online interviews and articles in GAME INFORMER is that the creators seem to be blowing off any criticism of the game, lumping people like me with the raging DA:O fans. I realize that it is so soon after the release, so maybe they're afraid that any acknowledgment of the game's short-comings on their part will be seen as an admission that the raging fans are right and kill the all important early sales.

They're not going to be able to win over those who demand all future DA releases be repackaged versions of DA:O, but those of us who like the experimentation by Bioware just want to know from some official source that Bioware is going to fix the newly created shortcomings in the series (for the love of dog, hire someone who understands how Assassin's Creed managed to make the game design of a single city seem exciting).

If they don't, I'm not going to whine and moan for days on a social network. I'm just not going to buy the video games and DLC. In the end, that's the best way to convince a company to improve their products.

[Mad-Max90]

I personally think that laidlaw shouldn't be fired just his position as lead should be switched to more of a collaborater, while after mass effect 3 comes out Hudson should be put as lead designer, he might have proved himself In a sci-fi setting, but damn did this guy revolutionize rpg gaming with the shear amount of choices that you make with each one having multiple consequences wether you let someone live or die or how you went about a mission, what you did will impact what you can do and how you can achieve your goal, Hudson not only listened to critics who wanted more rpg like the first game but gave what the sequel lacked tenfold in the third game, this guy knows what the hell he's doing, I just read the article in game informer and nothing blew me away more than what this guy is doing to please his fans, I now have a personal hero in the game industry

[The Angry One]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Hudson not only listened to critics who wanted more rpg like the first game but gave what the sequel lacked tenfold in the third game

Do you mind if I borrow your time machine so I can get myself a copy of ME3 from the future too?

[Mad-Max90]

Maybe if you spent more to time reading his interviews and spent less time being a smartass, you would see what I'm talking about, the guy never criticized his fans for wanting some elements from the first game, what he did was listen and gave what his fans lacked in the sequel back but with more customization, you can have a pistol and attach upgrades that not only make it perform better but visually change it's appearance, if that's not enough choices in his games actually matter and he is proud of what he accomplished in both the first and the sequel, he does not bash the first game like laidlaw, if that says anything it's how proud he is to be part of the biggest franchise this generation, so yeah I think he is a little more suited for the job, his work shows it, laidlaw's shows how much a sequel can abandon the core elements of it's previous title

[The Angry One]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Maybe if you spent more to time reading his interviews and spent less time being a smartass, you would see what I'm talking about, the guy never criticized his fans for wanting some elements from the first game, what he did was listen and gave what his fans lacked in the sequel back but with more customization, you can have a pistol and attach upgrades that not only make it perform better but visually change it's appearance, if that's not enough choices in his games actually matter and he is proud of what he accomplished in both the first and the sequel, he does not bash the first game like laidlaw, if that says anything it's how proud he is to be part of the biggest franchise this generation, so yeah I think he is a little more suited for the job, his work shows it, laidlaw's shows how much a sequel can abandon the core elements of it's previous title

Why would he talk down about the first game? He made it.
Also, none of this changes the fact that you referred to the third game in a past tense.

[Mad-Max90]

That's because the changes made are already in "effect", see what I did there, but why woul laidlaw bash origins, if you follow that principle? And him not bashing his audience as well was covered which let's face it should be a no-brainer to people selling a product

[Mad-Max90]

And specifically tell me where I spoke about the changes in past tense, I reread my post and I'm oblivious to where I said I played the game and this is what happens, like I said I follow his interviews, mass effect was not my first rpg, but it sure was my favorite

[The Angry One]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

That's because the changes made are already in "effect", see what I did there,

As far as it's been promised, I take it.
If it's one thing I don't do it's believe developer hype. You may trust Casey Hudson but then there was a time long, long ago when people trusted Peter Molyneux. No, really.

but why woul laidlaw bash origins, if you follow that principle? And him not bashing his audience as well was covered which let's face it should be a no-brainer to people selling a product

Laidlaw didn't make Origins. But obviously I agree that talking down about a previous and respected game is stupid.

[Merced652]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*clears throat*

If I had to make an attempt at an "objective" guess, it would be that people are upset because of fear. They're afraid that a genre they are fans of - best represented for better or worse by Dragon Age: Origins - is going to disappear, or at least morph into something they no longer recognize. I'm not unsympathetic, one of my favorite genres - flight (and space) sims - has been on life support for about a decade now. Mike Laidlaw in his role as lead designer to Origins' sequel is basically the guy who personifies the future of that genre. If he is essentially making statements that imply what said individuals fear will happen to such games, then hostility is natural. It doesn't make it wise or useful, but it does make it understandable.

Thank you, sir.

[Mad-Max90]

He did help make origins, he wasn't lead but that shouldn't make him angry people prefer origins to his bastard sequel, I have no reason not to trust Hudson, his awards speak for themselves, he never made a bad game sure mass effect 2 was different than the first but it was improved so much most players didn't care that much about the loss of some rpg elements that's the difference between Hudson, molynuex and laidlaw, so I wouldn't think that's a fair comparison to me at least but I do respect your thoughts as well as mine, I don't have to agree but you are bringing your arguments to the table and I respect you for it

[Tommy6860]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

And specifically tell me where I spoke about the changes in past tense, I reread my post and I'm oblivious to where I said I played the game and this is what happens, like I said I follow his interviews, mass effect was not my first rpg, but it sure was my favorite

You said, "Hudson not only listened to critics who wanted more rpg like the first
game but gave what the sequel lacked tenfold in the third game, this guy
knows what the hell he's doing" Note the bold italics, for emphasis.

That is past tense form my perspective.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 17 avril 2011 - 04:06 .

[cljqnsnyc]

The question for me is if Mike Laidlaw becomes the lead designer on DA3, how will he deal with the fans he seemingly antagonized, namely DAO fans? Does it really make sense to take anything other than a diplomatic approach when addressing fans you may have alienated? Fans that will be needed when the time comes to sell dlc and a sequel. I'm curious to see how this will be handled.

[The Angry One]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

The question for me is if Mike Laidlaw becomes the lead designer on DA3, how will he deal with the fans he seemingly antagonized, namely DAO fans? Does it really make sense to take anything other than a diplomatic approach when addressing fans you may have alienated? Fans that will be needed when the time comes to sell dlc and a sequel. I'm curious to see how this will be handled.

Well it's already been stated that they want the CoD fans..

[Mad-Max90]

Laidlaw is a jerk he never once payed for drugs..not once
Oh and your right I did use the past tense I'm sorry, I guess it's because he stated in the interview that he did listen to critics, and is going to listen that's what I should have said, sorry for the error, you were right

[Sen4lifE]

Why does Laidlaw keep insulting the fanbase??Why do senseless threads keep appearing?

[Dragoonlordz]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

The question for me is if Mike Laidlaw becomes the lead designer on DA3, how will he deal with the fans he seemingly antagonized, namely DAO fans? Does it really make sense to take anything other than a diplomatic approach when addressing fans you may have alienated? Fans that will be needed when the time comes to sell dlc and a sequel. I'm curious to see how this will be handled.

I question the direction he wishes to take the franchise, I got nothing against him personally and I have no questions about his abilities or competence only the direction and way forward he wishes take the series.

I also have no problem with what he says in interviews myself. 

Just his goal overall for Dragon Age I don't agree with myself, so far using DA2 as a basis it's putting me off DA3 if in charge only because my personal preference/enjoyment is not apparently the same as his own of what he wants. But even so I will still wait see what it turns out like before I will decide to buy or not to buy in the end.

The only thing specifically DA2 has done is put me off pre-ordering Bioware titles but nothing more than that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 avril 2011 - 04:27 .

[HolyWarrior21]

winge winge b*tch b*tch some peoples need to get a life! SERIOUSLY its a frikin GAME

[Mad-Max90]

^ you come off as a bit of an ass/******, take you pick you sound like one of them^

For the record I already stated I love to whine(that's how you spell it) and b!tch, but I don't like whining about dragon age 2, if it was good to me I wouldn't pout about it, jackass

[cljqnsnyc]

The Angry One wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

The question for me is if Mike Laidlaw becomes the lead designer on DA3, how will he deal with the fans he seemingly antagonized, namely DAO fans? Does it really make sense to take anything other than a diplomatic approach when addressing fans you may have alienated? Fans that will be needed when the time comes to sell dlc and a sequel. I'm curious to see how this will be handled.

Well it's already been stated that they want the CoD fans..

True. Since that hasn't exactly worked out the way they had wished, what now?

I'm wondering if there's a back up plan in all of this. Morphing DAO into DA2 was obviously a highly risky proposition.

Bioware's next move as far as DA is concerned will be interesting. I can't recall a time where they have ever found themselves in this position. A segmented fanbase, rising mistrust, etc. I guess we'll have to wait on this one. 

As far as their other big releases go, I doubt this situation will affect ME3 or The Old Republic. Separate teams who seem to be dotting I's and crossing T's. I think Bioware will have a very strong 3rd and 4th Quarter, more than enough to make up for whatever DA2 didn't deliver saleswise.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 17 avril 2011 - 04:51 .

[TRfore]

RE quotes from Laidaw:
Mike Laidlaw: I've certainly seen a fair amount of feedback that says, "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison!"
Context of quote:
Question was asked:
Eurogamer: Imported saves don't appear to do much in Dragon Age 2. Will they be beefed up for Dragon Age 3?
Mike Laidlaw: A defence of Dragon Age II
http://www.eurogamer....e-ii-interview

What did Laidlaw mean?  What I'm getting from his answer is 999,990 people liked DAO but 10 people didnt like it because "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison!," then I will change what the 999,990 people liked about the game into something 10 people would like.

OP wants Laidlaw/Bioware to do an apology similar to the FF14's (The MMO)  lead designer's apology to the FF MMO fans.  OP wants Laidlaw to say DA3 will be similar to DAO rather than DA2.  OP wants Laidlaw to address  DA2's shortcomings.

Current Metacritic player's review score of DA2 is 4.3/10.  I consider that a fail but this is what Laidlaw said:
I am. What we're seeing is a pretty wide range; I've seen perfects, I've seen less than perfects.

Above was in response to this question:
Eurogamer: Are you happy with the reviews of Dragon Age II?

As an apology Bioware should make all future DA2 DLCs free.

[Mad-Max90]

^what over 9000^

[Rockpopple]

Over 9000 9000s, apparently. I mean... wow.