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[heathxxx]

brightblueink wrote...

The Metacritic score might be 4.3 with players, but on Gamespot and Gamefaqs it's in the 7.7 range or so. Laidlaw's comment that there's been mixed reviews seems pretty accurate to me, both in the professional critic realm and the fan realm.

Wouldn't you agree though, that the most important ratings/scores are from the players - those paying to play the game, over those getting paid to "professionaly review" it?

If I were a developer/publisher, in spite of initially good sales figures (many of which seem to have been from pre-orders), I certainly wouldn't be impressed with the "overall" feedback.

If those in charge choose to ignore the negative feedback, even that which is well intentioned and constructive in its appraisal, then it's entirely at their own peril. If they're critical of those who ultimately, buy their product and pay their wages, then they're biting the hand that feeds them.

That I'm afraid, rubs people the wrong way. Turn your back on on genuinely concerned customers and they will turn their back on you.

Where do I stand personally? Suffice it to say I'll vote with my wallet. I doubt I'll be alone.

Modifié par heathxxx, 17 avril 2011 - 10:17 .

[Serpentine 78]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

 
  Um...this game IS NOT mediocre.  It's great.  I guess you are a gaming god whose opinion is law, so forgive me sir.  I guess I am a mere peon due to immensely enjoying Dragon Age 2.  *sniff   Now I'm gonna go back to the masterpiece...I mean, "fun time waster..and such".  Please don't strike me dead with lightening masta.

[Firky]

^ I think it's great, too. Not as a time waster. I'm making time. (Life is busy.)

heathxxx wrote...

Wouldn't you agree though, that the most important ratings/scores are from the players - those paying to play the game, over those getting paid to "professionaly review" it?

Well, as the latter, I can tell you that the review copy had to be returned - so I bought one - so I'm also the former. And if you're getting paid to review it, you are also getting paid to provide your professional opinion - which does not mean giving it auto-10/10. It means carefully analysing it, knowing your readers and providing an opinion.

[Dubya75]

OP (original post) is a whole lot of farts in the wind. Nothing more.

[FedericoV]

The "let's fire Laidlaw by petition" trend I've seen in the forums lately is the zenith of entitlement and idiocy. I think that it's the lowest point in the history of those forums and that's quite a record in itself. At the same time it's so stupid that it cannot be taken seriously. Hope Bioware share my view.

[heathxxx]

Firky wrote...

^ I think it's great, too. Not as a time waster. I'm making time. (Life is busy.)

heathxxx wrote...

Wouldn't you agree though, that the most important ratings/scores are from the players - those paying to play the game, over those getting paid to "professionaly review" it?

Well, as the latter, I can tell you that the review copy had to be returned - so I bought one - so I'm also the former. And if you're getting paid to review it, you are also getting paid to provide your professional opinion - which does not mean giving it auto-10/10. It means carefully analysing it, knowing your readers and providing an opinion.

Have a link for your review?

Call me a sceptic, but when I see glaring differences between reviews/ratings from the media, usually supported by advertising from games publishers they want to keep sweet, compared to the wider buying public...

...it sort of makes me think that something isn't quite right.

There are sometimes exceptions in the published media, however I find they're very rare.

As a fan of both Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher, I'm certainly going to be interested in comparing "professional" and "user" reviews for DA2 and TW2, upon the release of the latter. 

[Firky]

@heath If you're Aussie, you can read it in this month's PC Powerplay. It's print.

I consider myself both a gamer and a professional. Foremost a gamer. (I only make 8-10 grand a year from freelancing.) I can tell you (and I've posted this around here before - but I don't want to make a habit of it, because I'm a fan) that I've never felt any pressure at all from advertising or my employers to score a game highly. I do get very annoyed about the whole "reviews are bought" business. It's not my experience at all. I spent a week trying to score DAII "correctly."

Also, my job is literally on the line if I'm found to be consistently scoring in a way that I can't very carefully justify. As a freelancer, they don't need a reason. They just stop sending me reviews.

As to The Witcher, I can't wait. I'm guessing I'm third in line for the review, unfortunately, but it could happen. But, ultimately, users can throw around whatever score they like without any consequences. At least there are consequences for me scoring badly. (edit: as in not carefully and justifiably - not badly as in 2/10)

Modifié par Firky, 17 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Darth Krytie]

Serpentine 78 wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

 
  Um...this game IS NOT mediocre.  It's great.  I guess you are a gaming god whose opinion is law, so forgive me sir.  I guess I am a mere peon due to immensely enjoying Dragon Age 2.  *sniff   Now I'm gonna go back to the masterpiece...I mean, "fun time waster..and such".  Please don't strike me dead with lightening masta.

Whenever people call Dragon Age 2 mediocre, I wonder if they've ever played something truly mediocre like Venetica or Nier or something...Dragon Age 2 might not be perfect, but it's hardly saddled with the sort of crappy mechanics and so-so-graphics and boring plot and crapped out ability trees as some games I've tried to play.

[Legbiter]

What a whiny OP. Grow a pair.

[Jamesnew2]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

To be honest tho . i dont take you word for it as you've already caused your fair share of hate. I know you hate the game and i hate how you try to impose your thoughts on others. Jeez

[TJSolo]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Serpentine 78 wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

 
  Um...this game IS NOT mediocre.  It's great.  I guess you are a gaming god whose opinion is law, so forgive me sir.  I guess I am a mere peon due to immensely enjoying Dragon Age 2.  *sniff   Now I'm gonna go back to the masterpiece...I mean, "fun time waster..and such".  Please don't strike me dead with lightening masta.

Whenever people call Dragon Age 2 mediocre, I wonder if they've ever played something truly mediocre like Venetica or Nier or something...Dragon Age 2 might not be perfect, but it's hardly saddled with the sort of crappy mechanics and so-so-graphics and boring plot and crapped out ability trees as some games I've tried to play.

I have not played Venetica or Nier but I have played a slew of other games that for me range from bad to great.  DA2 falls into the category of mediocre if I were judging it purely on technical merit - clipping, resued areas, the one-sided combat, and various bugs bring the game down.

[Dragonslayr09]

Justin2k wrote...

This is a question to Bioware.  I doubt you'll answer.  I expect you'll lock the thread.  But it's a genuine question.

Why does this Laidlaw guy, the guy that got to run Dragon Age now the real head guy left, keep insulting the fanbase?

Firstly he insulted us with the game itself.
Then he insulted us with his comments about the "hardcore fanbase" and hints that we're all just scared of change.
Then we get insulted by Bioware employees rating their own game 10/10 and saying anyone who doesnt think its amazing is wrong..
Then he does another interview where he insults us saying he doesnt care what we think, he doesnt read the forums or our feedback and thinks we're all wrong.

I don't expect him to admit his failures.  I don't expect him to trash the game while he's supposed to be out selling it.  But it would be enough not to mention the fanbase at all.  To call us names and insult us is just ugh.

This guy should be fired in all honesty and you should get the DA1 designer back.  You know, the one who's name I don't know because he never insulted the fans out loud.

Too much whining for someone who's gonna buy his next game anyway. Just take it like a man or keep away from his games. If you can.

[MorrigansLove]

Serpentine 78 wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

 
  Um...this game IS NOT mediocre.  It's great.  I guess you are a gaming god whose opinion is law, so forgive me sir.  I guess I am a mere peon due to immensely enjoying Dragon Age 2.  *sniff   Now I'm gonna go back to the masterpiece...I mean, "fun time waster..and such".  Please don't strike me dead with lightening masta.

I know you're trying to be clever, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Just because YOU like the game does not make it not mediocre. Alpha Protocol is a mediocre game, yet I love it. Nier is a mediocre game, yet I enjoyed it. DA2 is a mediocre game, which I didn't enjoy, but loads of other people did, like you. Do you understand? Technically, all of these games fail significantly with awful gameplay(apart from DA2) and glitches/bugs but some of us still enjoy and love them. That does not mean the game is not great, it just means you can look past everything that makes it not.

[Xeranx]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

So if the OP says Bioware insulted the fans then ideally you would say something along the lines of, "I disagree because I found bits of it enjoyable" and/or just discuss the points brought up.  All over the boards I'm looking at people trying to refute instead of discuss.  I didn't know competition got this bad that we seek to utterly destroy someone rather than have them understand that you see things differently.  My gosh that sounds so PC, but it looks like what we used to do before we got so PC.

To say I disagree I'd first need to know what the percieved insult was. Which is what I asked of him. Who knows, maybe if he took to time to present his case I'd agree with him. But due to lack of such I suspect he really wasn't seeking a debate on the topic. Its hard to discuss points when none are presented.

As far as seeking to utterly destroy someone, again let me point out I'm not the one suggesting a real person lose their job over DA2 like the OP is. Which is clearly much more serious than disagreeing with relatively anonymous people on a forum, yes?

Anyway get some sleep. No apologies required.

I missed it twice, sorry.  You're right asking for someone to be fired is out of line.  That's something you should never do.

[Seena]

It absolutely boggles the mind which threads the mods close, and which they allow to remain open. Their choices seem to be entirely random and beg the question, "What the hell are they smoking?"

[Dragoonlordz]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Whenever people call Dragon Age 2 mediocre, I wonder if they've ever played something truly mediocre like Venetica or Nier or something...Dragon Age 2 might not be perfect, but it's hardly saddled with the sort of crappy mechanics and so-so-graphics and boring plot and crapped out ability trees as some games I've tried to play.

I made a post about this recently so rather than rehash it, I'll just quote it. As for mediocre, no it's wasn't mediocre for me but it wasn't far above average. ~imho

There was a recent game that suffers the same fate as DA2.

Nier...

In Japan, Nier Gestalt sold 12,783 copies in Japan the week of its release. Nier Replicant sold more, with 121,247 copies in Japan by the end of May 2010.

Nier received mixed reviews.

Kevin VanOrd of GameSpot gave Nier a 5 out of 10 for both platforms, stating, "This dreary action role-playing game has its worthwhile moments, but they're separated by countless hours of fetch-quest tedium." VanOrd went on to say that the final few hours of Nier were "compelling" but that the majority of Nier is "boring". He concluded that "Unfortunately, great music and a couple of entertaining hours aren't reason enough to slog through this leaden dirge. You get the impression that 10 hours of promising content was mercilessly stretched into a 30-hour marathon of fetch quests and squandered potential."

IGN gave Nier a 7.3/10, saying that it was "...a game with split-personality disorder, aiming to please everyone with elements drawn from a raft of sources, but in the process it never excels in any one area."

Steven Hopper of GameZone gave the game a 6/10. His final verdict was "Nier is a missed opportunity. There are moments when the storytelling shines, but those are few and far between in a pretty drab quest-laden game with boring missions and fetch quests."

When reading the reviews on Nier I couldn't help but think, wait is this Nier or DA2...

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[errant_knight]

Argumentation over the OP aside, my God, I want to play the sequel that Brent Knowles envisioned so very much... Gah! I'd walk across hot coals for that.

[Warheadz]

errant_knight wrote...

Argumentation over the OP aside, my God, I want to play the sequel that Brent Knowles envisioned so very much... Gah! I'd walk across hot coals for that.

This.

[Addai]

Warheadz wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Argumentation over the OP aside, my God, I want to play the sequel that Brent Knowles envisioned so very much... Gah! I'd walk across hot coals for that.

This.

Where did you see this?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

This is a question to Bioware.  I doubt you'll answer.  I expect you'll lock the thread.  But it's a genuine question.

Why does this Laidlaw guy, the guy that got to run Dragon Age now the real head guy left, keep insulting the fanbase?

Firstly he insulted us with the game itself.

He can keep insulting me all he wants then. 

This.

The same here.

[Everwarden]

FedericoV wrote...

The "let's fire Laidlaw by petition" trend I've seen in the forums lately is the zenith of entitlement and idiocy.

The trend of fanboys throwing out the word 'entitlement' recently strikes me as the zenith of idiocy, personally. Entitlement would only apply if people -literally- thought they had the right to fire Laidlaw (or if Bioware were making charity games to cure cancer, or something), all I've seen is people stating that they will not buy another game that he is lead on. Their money, their call, how is that 'entitled'?

Modifié par Everwarden, 17 avril 2011 - 05:33 .

[Ayanko]

It's not like he's bursting out of our computer screens and slapping us around the faces with a glove. Lets just wait for DA3... if it sinks like a stone, we riot.

[neppakyo]

errant_knight wrote...

Argumentation over the OP aside, my God, I want to play the sequel that Brent Knowles envisioned so very much... Gah! I'd walk across hot coals for that.

^^ This as well

[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Argumentation over the OP aside, my God, I want to play the sequel that Brent Knowles envisioned so very much... Gah! I'd walk across hot coals for that.

This.

Where did you see this?

I also want to know that. I only read he didn´t agree with the direction Da2 had taken, but nothing of his own plans.