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[AtreiyaN7]

Night Prowler76 wrote...


Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview.  Maybe you are not the person I should be talking to, I think you fall into that category.

Be my guest, seeing as I find reading Physics of the Future to be a much more meaningful use of my time, rather than "discussing" anything with you - and by "discussing" I mean you insulting everyone who fails to find Laidlaw's non-insulting comments to be insulting.

EDIT: ah, typos, you are the bane of my existence.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[Persephone]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

One can be critical of a game without stooping to rudeness and insults.

And one can be positive without kissing Bioware's hindquarters.

Constructive criticism is the key. The rest will be overlooked. And justly so.

Awww Im sorry Persephone, I will behave, I dont want to get bullied by you:wub:

I don't believe I'm bullying you.

Make light of it all you like.

But as someone who actually works in Sales and Marketing I can tell you this: Bashing and hate campaigning does not achieve the desired result of a better product the next time.

Constructive criticism stands a chance.

And you want to know the ONE reaction that will rattle us Sales and Marketing drones?

Apathy. Middle ratings that can mean anything or nothing.

In an ideal world your theories would ring true, unfotunately for you, everyone on here and myself, our opinions wont change anything about DA2, the opinions and criticism's of DA2 were on here way before the game came out, they could have been fixed, but they were not, these forums dont represent sales figures for BioWare, they really dont care, we got told that the changes were great and embrace them blah blah, and anyone who voiced a concern got talked down to, insulted and were told to leave, (as I was one of those people).

Now a strange thing has happened, the BioSheep have diminished, the herd is much smaller now that the game came out, I guess they werent as strong in their convictions as they thought.

I dont dislike you or anyone on here,but being in sales and marketing you should know for instance, if I hire you and your firm to do a job to promote something for me, and the ads and commercials are not satisfactory you know what happens, I FIRE YOU, you dont get any more of my money, that is how the real world works, it seems you guys think that Mike should not be held accountable for what calibre of job he does.

Let's see....

Yes, there were pre-conceived opinions way before the game came out. There were and are people (Who proudly admit to it) who bash it everywhere without ever having played it.

I have seen Devs saying (Here) that they are taking feedback into account and that it is important to them. If they will indeed follow through there, only future releases can tell. (And Mr. Laidlaw said this too)

Please refrain from calling me or any supporter of DAII Biosheep. I'm not calling you a troll or hater either. Let's move past such labels. As for fewer supporters, many got shot down and left, many also will never bother because they are enjoying the game as we speak. And people are actually warning others against coming here these days if they like DAII. Sad, IMO. And given how positive threads are derailed in the General Discussion (!) forum, they keep to the Spoiler Forums where actual discussions on the game itself are happening. With people who have played it and who know it well enough to participate. Some great discussions there, also on the pros & cons.

We are not the ones to decide whether Mr. Laidlaw should be fired. We did not hire him, Bioware did. They are dealing in cold numbers and if they are not satisfied, they will fire employees who failed to do their jobs. Bioware does not work on charity, that's a given.

[Persephone]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Holy, look at all you cute BioSheep dismissing the OP, even tho Mike has basically said most of the those things. You guys are amusing tho, I honestly dont think Ive seen this many lost brain cells in one post before, you guys just keep doing what you do, just make sure you wipe the goo off of your chins afterward.

What i am seeing is the OP only has a opinion. If Mike has said suchs things the OP needs to prove it or its just empty words of someone whining. Someone complaining that DA2 didnt turn out to be the game he wanted. As far as i am concern its an outright attack on Mike Laidlaw done by the OP. 

Now I am not saying I loved DA2, but I did enjoy the game to a certain point. It has its downsides and its upsides but DA2 does have mostly downsides. I for sure cant enjoy it 3 times straight like i could ME2 because of all the reused maps in the game. But its quite obvious at this point that the OP is just doing an Atk Mike Laidlaw thread and i dont approve of such threads. People like OP just give a good reason why Devs dont look at the forums where their fanbase is. 

Obviously some of his post was opinion, just like every other post on these forums, if you carefully read the interviews that Mike has done, you will see that he is very dismissive of anyone who has anything negative to say about  about DA2.

Such as this interview bit from Eurogamer where he dismisses the lower scores on Metacritic, implying that anyone giving the game a low score wanted DAO2, and not because they genuinely thought the game was sub-par, that is classic denial of what one has created, and it mirror's the people on this forum who seem to by no fault of their own, follow BioWare blindly like sheep, even when by critical standards, this is a sub par game by a company who is known for making highly rated games (by the same critics).

I may be harsh to some people on here, and the main reason is that if everyone keeps kissing the companies butt, then they will never make better games and they will dismiss criticism and just do what they want because apparently a large population of Bioware fans keep having lower and lower expectations.


Eurogamer:
I've seen scores as low as a 6/10 - what do you think when you read those?

Mike Laidlaw:
Well it's hard to know exactly what's going on with scores that
are really, really negative. One possible culprit could just be a change
backlash, i.e. this isn't Origins and I wanted Origins 2. There may be
some degree of what I would honestly say is emotional investment in the
Origins story, or in the way Origins was presented which is leading to a
stronger than average reaction of disappointment. That's
understandable, and if anything that really is a compliment to the work
on Origins. I'm not sure it's an entirely fair assessment to say all
games must be like the previous game. I think we would have seen just as
much negativity if we just, as I used to joke, stapled two Archdemons
together and called it a super blight. It boils down to a game that
challenges a fair amount of convention: it doesn't tell the usual
fantasy story or present the usual fantasy combat, and in doing so it
does run the risk of someone going, "Wow, this is just too different and
I cannot handle it."

There is nothing dismissive in that interview/quote at all. It seems clear that he understands there are negative critcisms and is analyzing possible reasons for it. If one is somehow loopy enough to take offense at it, well, I guess that's their problem, not Laidlaw's.

Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview. 

He is doing his bloody job. Easy as that.

[Night Prowler76]

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Holy, look at all you cute BioSheep dismissing the OP, even tho Mike has basically said most of the those things. You guys are amusing tho, I honestly dont think Ive seen this many lost brain cells in one post before, you guys just keep doing what you do, just make sure you wipe the goo off of your chins afterward.

What i am seeing is the OP only has a opinion. If Mike has said suchs things the OP needs to prove it or its just empty words of someone whining. Someone complaining that DA2 didnt turn out to be the game he wanted. As far as i am concern its an outright attack on Mike Laidlaw done by the OP. 

Now I am not saying I loved DA2, but I did enjoy the game to a certain point. It has its downsides and its upsides but DA2 does have mostly downsides. I for sure cant enjoy it 3 times straight like i could ME2 because of all the reused maps in the game. But its quite obvious at this point that the OP is just doing an Atk Mike Laidlaw thread and i dont approve of such threads. People like OP just give a good reason why Devs dont look at the forums where their fanbase is. 

Obviously some of his post was opinion, just like every other post on these forums, if you carefully read the interviews that Mike has done, you will see that he is very dismissive of anyone who has anything negative to say about  about DA2.

Such as this interview bit from Eurogamer where he dismisses the lower scores on Metacritic, implying that anyone giving the game a low score wanted DAO2, and not because they genuinely thought the game was sub-par, that is classic denial of what one has created, and it mirror's the people on this forum who seem to by no fault of their own, follow BioWare blindly like sheep, even when by critical standards, this is a sub par game by a company who is known for making highly rated games (by the same critics).

I may be harsh to some people on here, and the main reason is that if everyone keeps kissing the companies butt, then they will never make better games and they will dismiss criticism and just do what they want because apparently a large population of Bioware fans keep having lower and lower expectations.


Eurogamer:
I've seen scores as low as a 6/10 - what do you think when you read those?

Mike Laidlaw:
Well it's hard to know exactly what's going on with scores that
are really, really negative. One possible culprit could just be a change
backlash, i.e. this isn't Origins and I wanted Origins 2. There may be
some degree of what I would honestly say is emotional investment in the
Origins story, or in the way Origins was presented which is leading to a
stronger than average reaction of disappointment. That's
understandable, and if anything that really is a compliment to the work
on Origins. I'm not sure it's an entirely fair assessment to say all
games must be like the previous game. I think we would have seen just as
much negativity if we just, as I used to joke, stapled two Archdemons
together and called it a super blight. It boils down to a game that
challenges a fair amount of convention: it doesn't tell the usual
fantasy story or present the usual fantasy combat, and in doing so it
does run the risk of someone going, "Wow, this is just too different and
I cannot handle it."

There is nothing dismissive in that interview/quote at all. It seems clear that he understands there are negative critcisms and is analyzing possible reasons for it. If one is somehow loopy enough to take offense at it, well, I guess that's their problem, not Laidlaw's.

Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview. 

He is doing his bloody job. Easy as that.

Now now, no need for hostile language Persephone, yes, he is doing his job.:happy:

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Holy, look at all you cute BioSheep dismissing the OP, even tho Mike has basically said most of the those things. You guys are amusing tho, I honestly dont think Ive seen this many lost brain cells in one post before, you guys just keep doing what you do, just make sure you wipe the goo off of your chins afterward.

What i am seeing is the OP only has a opinion. If Mike has said suchs things the OP needs to prove it or its just empty words of someone whining. Someone complaining that DA2 didnt turn out to be the game he wanted. As far as i am concern its an outright attack on Mike Laidlaw done by the OP. 

Now I am not saying I loved DA2, but I did enjoy the game to a certain point. It has its downsides and its upsides but DA2 does have mostly downsides. I for sure cant enjoy it 3 times straight like i could ME2 because of all the reused maps in the game. But its quite obvious at this point that the OP is just doing an Atk Mike Laidlaw thread and i dont approve of such threads. People like OP just give a good reason why Devs dont look at the forums where their fanbase is. 

Obviously some of his post was opinion, just like every other post on these forums, if you carefully read the interviews that Mike has done, you will see that he is very dismissive of anyone who has anything negative to say about  about DA2.

Such as this interview bit from Eurogamer where he dismisses the lower scores on Metacritic, implying that anyone giving the game a low score wanted DAO2, and not because they genuinely thought the game was sub-par, that is classic denial of what one has created, and it mirror's the people on this forum who seem to by no fault of their own, follow BioWare blindly like sheep, even when by critical standards, this is a sub par game by a company who is known for making highly rated games (by the same critics).

I may be harsh to some people on here, and the main reason is that if everyone keeps kissing the companies butt, then they will never make better games and they will dismiss criticism and just do what they want because apparently a large population of Bioware fans keep having lower and lower expectations.


Eurogamer:
I've seen scores as low as a 6/10 - what do you think when you read those?

Mike Laidlaw:
Well it's hard to know exactly what's going on with scores that
are really, really negative. One possible culprit could just be a change
backlash, i.e. this isn't Origins and I wanted Origins 2. There may be
some degree of what I would honestly say is emotional investment in the
Origins story, or in the way Origins was presented which is leading to a
stronger than average reaction of disappointment. That's
understandable, and if anything that really is a compliment to the work
on Origins. I'm not sure it's an entirely fair assessment to say all
games must be like the previous game. I think we would have seen just as
much negativity if we just, as I used to joke, stapled two Archdemons
together and called it a super blight. It boils down to a game that
challenges a fair amount of convention: it doesn't tell the usual
fantasy story or present the usual fantasy combat, and in doing so it
does run the risk of someone going, "Wow, this is just too different and
I cannot handle it."

There is nothing dismissive in that interview/quote at all. It seems clear that he understands there are negative critcisms and is analyzing possible reasons for it. If one is somehow loopy enough to take offense at it, well, I guess that's their problem, not Laidlaw's.

Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview. 

He is doing his bloody job. Easy as that.

Sometimes doing your job can get people upset.

If that's enough to get people that upset......

I prefer to get upset over things that have a little more substance than a Designer doing his job as ordered by the company who hired him.

[Night Prowler76]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...


Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview.  Maybe you are not the person I should be talking to, I think you fall into that category.

Be my guest, seeing as I find reading Physics of the Future to be a much more meaningful use of my time, rather than "discussing" anything with you - and by "discussing" I mean you insulting everyone who fails to find Laidlaw's non-insulting comments to be insulting.

EDIT: ah, typos, you are the bane of my existence.

Congratulations, maybe you should get back to Physics of the Future instead of wasting your time on here  then, take your own advice, you will be much more content.

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 17 avril 2011 - 09:13 .

[MDarwin]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

I hope Bioware understands that the least of DA2's problems lie in the faster combat and new dialogue system.

How bland and lifeless Kirkwall is. How few areas there are. The rehashed dungeons. Insta-spawning. Glitches. Those are what make DA2 no more than just mildly decent.

What does this have to do with the topic? oh right nothing, any exscuse to whine endlessly right? 

but let's look at the stupider common complaints found here: bland and lifeless(origins??)? rehaashed dungeons(origins dlc much?) insta spawning? (where do those darkspawn come from in origins hmm?)& gasp! glitches! in a modern western game? no wayz!  once again follow the leader mentality here cause clearly you never played origins and saw some random troll here say that in some half assed justifcation to his need for attenion and now you're simply copying him

Yet again the sheer lack of common sense and independant thought by users on these forums truely boggles the mind, they will simply follow anytroll sheep herder like good little sheep out of some need for attention to be part of a group mind no matter how obviously hypcritical & idiotic their points are

Does DA2 have faults? certinly, do it have so many drastic ones to warrant the never ending stream of stupid that pours out of the majorioty of you? no, whining endlessly does not fix anything nor does only focusing on every minor negative cause someone else said it, think for your selves for once in your goddamn lives and truely poner how awful/good DA2, i'm sure once you actually step away from living on these forums 24/7 in the group mind atmosphere of mindless negativity you' might actually *gasp!* enjoy DA2? i know! shocking what thinking for yourselves could do!

As I can tell, You have got plenty of independend thoughts. How good for you. Now I got to change me Nappy's.

[AtreiyaN7]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...


Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview.  Maybe you are not the person I should be talking to, I think you fall into that category.

Be my guest, seeing as I find reading Physics of the Future to be a much more meaningful use of my time, rather than "discussing" anything with you - and by "discussing" I mean you insulting everyone who fails to find Laidlaw's non-insulting comments to be insulting.

EDIT: ah, typos, you are the bane of my existence.

Congratulations, maybe you should get back to Physics of the Future instead of wasting your time on then, take your own advice, you will be much more content.

Oh, but you're the one who didn't want to talk to me. I didn't say I wasn't going to respond at all -  I just said that my time would be better spent reading something that actually requires the use of more than one brain cell.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[Night Prowler76]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...


Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview.  Maybe you are not the person I should be talking to, I think you fall into that category.

Be my guest, seeing as I find reading Physics of the Future to be a much more meaningful use of my time, rather than "discussing" anything with you - and by "discussing" I mean you insulting everyone who fails to find Laidlaw's non-insulting comments to be insulting.

EDIT: ah, typos, you are the bane of my existence.

Congratulations, maybe you should get back to Physics of the Future instead of wasting your time on then, take your own advice, you will be much more content.

Oh, but you're the one who didn't want to talk to me. I didn't say I wasn't going to responds at all -  I just said that my time would be better spent reading something that actually requires the use of more than one brain cels.

I like to get out and mingle with the little folks from time to time, it's no bother really,  now tell me how you feel about this game. And the job that Mike has done designing this epic, gritty and dark fantasy game?

[    Your answer goes here  ]

[Justin2k]

The game is mediocre.

Because you think it is not mediocre does not make it not mediocre. Because I think it's mediocre does not make it mediocre.

It's mediocre due to the amount of bugs, plotholes and issues. Biowares apparent aim was to create an AAA+ rpg title which is a best seller and will have people talking and playing positively for years, and in that they have failed, Whether an individual likes the game or not does not make it any less mediocre.

Be honest, as soon as you get Dragon Age 3 the majority will never look back at this one.  Most cannot bring themselves to play it through a second time, and it's frequently starting to fill up pre-owned shelves.  Just because an individual enjoys it, doesn't make it any less a flop.

Modifié par Justin2k, 17 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[Thibbledorf26]

Seena wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Ariella wrote...
 His comment is directed to the really really low scores that appeared on metacritic with little to no feedback at all just because there were fans who were so disappointed in the game not being DAO.

That's the problem. He thinks (or claims to think) that the low scores are all because "It's different" and people just can't stand change. I don't hate DA2 because it isn't Origins, I hate DA2 because it isn't a very good game. 

Where does he say that the low scores are ALL because the game is different?

He doesn't.

He is asked by the interviewer what his feelings are about the low scores, and he gives the spiel about people being afraid of change. He does not give any other explanation. That implies all the people who disliked the game are afraid of change. If he felt some of the arguments of the people who dislike the game were reasonable, he would have ventured another opinion as well.

Many of the problems people have with DA2 are because of the game
itself, not the changes it bore. There have been many reasonable, constructive
criticisms given politely on these forums, there is no excuse for
Bioware to portray the disappointed segment of the consumer base as
being morons, or stubborn trolls.

However, it is coy for people (and certain Bioware devs) to suggest that DA2 should be judged totally independently of DAO. A lot of the sales for DA2 were a result of the great reputation that DAO earned. It was the sequel to an award-winning, popular game. Many people who dislike DA2 expected the same quality of game, and were disappointed in DA2 because, in their eyes, it lacked the leve of quality. That doesn't mean they wanted two Archdemons stapled together.

[AtreiyaN7]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...


Or maybe people are too dense to understand that he is deflecting criticism?Kind of  like he does in every interview.  Maybe you are not the person I should be talking to, I think you fall into that category.

Be my guest, seeing as I find reading Physics of the Future to be a much more meaningful use of my time, rather than "discussing" anything with you - and by "discussing" I mean you insulting everyone who fails to find Laidlaw's non-insulting comments to be insulting.

EDIT: ah, typos, you are the bane of my existence.

Congratulations, maybe you should get back to Physics of the Future instead of wasting your time on then, take your own advice, you will be much more content.

Oh, but you're the one who didn't want to talk to me. I didn't say I wasn't going to responds at all -  I just said that my time would be better spent reading something that actually requires the use of more than one brain cels.

I like to get out and mingle with the little folks from time to time, it's no bother really,  now tell me how you feel about this game. And the job that Mike has done designing this epic, gritty and dark fantasy game?

[    Your answer goes here  ]

I think that the game was good overall, but it was certainly flawed in the execution of some areas, like the level design and the recycling of areas. I feel that the story was different from the standard template for most RPGs and was, as I've seen it described before, much more intimate in scope. I liked the increased pace of combat, although I would have certainly liked the isometric camera. The companions were interesting and well written. Comparatively speaking, they had about the same amount of dialogue as the Origins companions, but the ability to speak with them at any time would have been welcome if they could have added more conversational dialogue. I also liked the paraphrase system and the switch to a voiced protagonist. Overall, I think Laidlaw did okay, but as with everything, there is room for improvement and refinement.

Some of the issues people have are clearly related to personal tastes. Also, wasn't the whole point of this amazingly redundant thread the implication that Laidlaw somehow "insulted" the fanbase (oh, and that he should be fired, natch)? He didn't, and your "proof" certainly didn't support your case or the OP's. You seem to be claiming that in trying to analyze the possible reasons for the negative feedback, Mike is simply attempting to rationalize it away.  I didn't get the impression that that was what he was doing. I think he was trying to understand it and derive useful information from all the crap flying around, but of course, when the majority of posts here are as devoid of useful feedback as the OP's post, I can see why Laidlaw might be having trouble with that. Sorry - I'm just not into being paranoid and seeing insults where there are none to be found.

[erynnar]

Thibbledorf26 wrote...

Seena wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Ariella wrote...
 His comment is directed to the really really low scores that appeared on metacritic with little to no feedback at all just because there were fans who were so disappointed in the game not being DAO.

That's the problem. He thinks (or claims to think) that the low scores are all because "It's different" and people just can't stand change. I don't hate DA2 because it isn't Origins, I hate DA2 because it isn't a very good game. 

Where does he say that the low scores are ALL because the game is different?

He doesn't.

He is asked by the interviewer what his feelings are about the low scores, and he gives the spiel about people being afraid of change. He does not give any other explanation. That implies all the people who disliked the game are afraid of change. If he felt some of the arguments of the people who dislike the game were reasonable, he would have ventured another opinion as well.

Many of the problems people have with DA2 are because of the game
itself, not the changes it bore. There have been many reasonable, constructive
criticisms given politely on these forums, there is no excuse for
Bioware to portray the disappointed segment of the consumer base as
being morons, or stubborn trolls.

However, it is coy for people (and certain Bioware devs) to suggest that DA2 should be judged totally independently of DAO. A lot of the sales for DA2 were a result of the great reputation that DAO earned. It was the sequel to an award-winning, popular game. Many people who dislike DA2 expected the same quality of game, and were disappointed in DA2 because, in their eyes, it lacked the leve of quality. That doesn't mean they wanted two Archdemons stapled together.

This^ And that quote by Mr. Laidlaw about the two Archdemons stapled together to make a super Blight really just gets my goat.  Oh, I should put that on the 'Gets My Goat thread."  It just struck me as snotty and looking down his nose (my take, not necessarily what he intended), and then adding more looking down his nose at someone like me who has giving constructive feedback as just not being able to handle change.  

I have to deal with constant change all my life (living in a new home and a new neighborhood every 2-3 years growing up and a job where we constantly change how we take cancer calls).  Mr. Laidlaw has no idea what kind of change I can handle.  I just don't like his changes because I find they make the game hardly worth playing once, let alone a second time.

edited to say that means it is how I took what he said, not necessarily what he intended.  

Modifié par erynnar, 17 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[Rockpopple]

Justin2k wrote...

The game is mediocre.

Because you think it is not mediocre does not make it not mediocre. Because I think it's mediocre does not make it mediocre.

It's mediocre due to the amount of bugs, plotholes and issues. Biowares apparent aim was to create an AAA+ rpg title which is a best seller and will have people talking and playing positively for years, and in that they have failed, Whether an individual likes the game or not does not make it any less mediocre.

Be honest, as soon as you get Dragon Age 3 the majority will never look back at this one.  Most cannot bring themselves to play it through a second time, and it's frequently starting to fill up pre-owned shelves.  Just because an individual enjoys it, doesn't make it any less a flop.

I kinda love how you just twisted yourself in knots, there.

The game isn't mediocre because you say it's mediocre, it's mediocre because.... you say it's mediocre?

Yeah, that's about as clear as mud.

[transcendent12]

Didn't ya know? All communication consists purely of insults.

Hello! <-- insult

You may want to revise your threshold/sensitivity towards intent

[Justin2k]

Rockpopple wrote...

I kinda love how you just twisted yourself in knots, there.

The game isn't mediocre because you say it's mediocre, it's mediocre because.... you say it's mediocre?

Yeah, that's about as clear as mud.

If you actually learned to read at school, you'd see I said it wasn't mediocre because i say so, or not mediocre because you say so.

It's mediocre because it is.  Sales figures, reception, replayability, bugs, plotholes make it mediocre.  Peoples opinions do not make it any better or worse than it is.

[Rockpopple]

Yeah, I never learned to read at school. It's blood magic. You got me.

Most of the "facts" you pointed out are purely subjective, which is hilarious because you then go on to talk about how peoples opinions don't matter when it comes to facts. "Reception"? On most websites it's done very well. Not as well at Origins, yes, but that does not make it "mediocre".

Replayability? Purely subjective. You can't stand to play it even once? Fine. Lots of people are multiple playthroughs.

Plotholes? Surely you jest. Find me a plot from a major book, movie or game that doesn't have some plotholes. A lot of people enjoy the plot, even those that criticize the game as a whole. A lot of people don't. Who's right? Neither. Opinion.

Bugs? Again, a lot of games come out with bugs. Origins came out with lots of bugs. Did that make it a mediocre title? Of course not. Oh, and most of the bugs in II have been patched already.

Sales figures... probably not what BioWare wanted, I'll give you that. But if low Sales figures automatically made any game, no matter how good it was, mediocre... well you can finish the rest.

So yeah, instead of suggesting that I go back to school to learn how to read, maybe you oughta start reading the stuff you're writing instead. It'll save you a lot of embarrassment in the future. A protip, from me to you.

[Cybermortis]

What exactly where people expecting Laidlaw to say about DA2 a month after release? 'Yes, this was a rushed game that alienated a significant number of people with its disjointed plot, barren landscapes, overused maps and cartoonish combat'?

How long do people think he would have remained at Bioware if he'd said something like that? And what company would hire a developer who bad-mouthed one of his own games less than a month after it was released?


I can understand the comments about change, or at least see where I *think* he was coming from. There clearly are and have been people who'd complained about DA2 simply because it is different to DAO. Just as there are people who are willing to mindlessly defend the game for no other reason that it was made by Bioware.

However the problems people are consistently listing are almost all to do with how things were implemented, not specifically the intent behind many of the changes. (Some variation with things like the maps, which was implemented due to time constraints, and design which is largely a matter of personal preference aside).

[AtreiyaN7]

erynnar wrote...


This^ And that quote by Mr. Laidlaw about the two Archdemons stapled together to make a super Blight really just gets my goat.  Oh, I should put that on the 'Gets My Goat thread."  It just struck me as snotty and looking down his nose (my take, not necessarily what he intended), and then adding more looking down his nose at someone like me who has giving constructive feedback as just not being able to handle change.  

I have to deal with constant change all my life (living in a new home and a new neighborhood every 2-3 years growing up and a job where we constantly change how we take cancer calls).  Mr. Laidlaw has no idea what kind of change I can handle.  I just don't like his changes because I find they make the game hardly worth playing once, let alone a second time.

edited to say that means it is how I took what he said, not necessarily what he intended.  

Let me highlight something:

MIKE LAIDLAW (from the interview cited way up above): I think we would have seen just as much negativity if we just, as I used to joke, stapled two Archdemons together and called it a super blight.

Maybe the use of boldface, underlining and italics will help people digest that. It was something he said in jest - maybe with coworkers even. Seriously, is everyone so hyper-sensitive that they have to take offense at something that was clearly just a joke? How you look at what he said has nothing to do with what he intended. The guy used the word "joke" after all. These forums are becoming increasingly ridiculous if something like that causes people to suffer from fits of apoplexy. How do people get by in their daily lives if they have zero sense of humor about, oh, anything? 

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[Rockpopple]

MIke Laidlaw has a simple problem when it comes to talking about DA II's shortcomings:

Not everyone agrees with what those shortcomings are.

In fact, the only universally panned feature of DA II is the recycled areas. Just about everybody agrees: not cool.

But every other aspect of the game has mixed reactions. Some people like the new combat, some don't. Some like the story, some don't. Some like the dialogue wheel, some don't. Etc. Etc.

It would be absolutely ludicrous to expect Liadlaw to come out and say, "Yeah, the combat was cartoonish and bad." thus insulting everyone currently playing the game that likes the combat. He'd basically be calling them all suckers. "Ha ha, I made a lousy product and you, you dumb piece of crap, you actually LIKE it."

So he's doing the only thing he can do - defend his product. When some more time has passed and DA III is well in production, then he can talk about what he ultimately feels were DA II's shortcomings.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[Persephone]

Rockpopple wrote...

MIke Laidlaw has a simple problem when it comes to talking about DA II's shortcomings:

Not everyone agrees with what those shortcomings are.

In fact, the only universally panned feature of DA II is the recycled areas. Just about everybody agrees: not cool.

But every other aspect of the game has mixed reactions. Some people like the new combat, some don't. Some like the story, some don't. Some like the dialogue wheel, some don't. Etc. Etc.

It would be absolutely ludicrous to expect Liadlaw to come out and say, "Yeah, the combat was cartoonish and bad." thus insulting everyone currently playing the game that likes the combat. He'd basically be calling them all suckers. "Ha ha, I made a lousy product and you, you dumb piece of crap, you actually LIKE it."

So he's doing the only thing he can do - defend his product. When some more time has passed and DA III is well in production, then he can talk about what he ultimately feels were DA II's shortcomings.

This. Absolutely.

[The Angry One]

Laidlaw could come and admit that the recycled levels were a poorly thought out idea.
He'd gain more respect that way. Everybody makes mistakes, but what's important is that you admit them and fix them, not try to defend them as an "artistic choice" or "to allow more content elsehwere". You just can't justify the unjustifiable.

Modifié par The Angry One, 17 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[steven20011]

Can someone post those "insulting" interviews plz?

Modifié par steven20011, 17 avril 2011 - 10:24 .