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[Justin2k]

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, I never learned to read at school. It's blood magic. You got me.

Most of the "facts" you pointed out are purely subjective, which is hilarious because you then go on to talk about how peoples opinions don't matter when it comes to facts. "Reception"? On most websites it's done very well. Not as well at Origins, yes, but that does not make it "mediocre".

Replayability? Purely subjective. You can't stand to play it even once? Fine. Lots of people are multiple playthroughs.

Plotholes? Surely you jest. Find me a plot from a major book, movie or game that doesn't have some plotholes. A lot of people enjoy the plot, even those that criticize the game as a whole. A lot of people don't. Who's right? Neither. Opinion.

Bugs? Again, a lot of games come out with bugs. Origins came out with lots of bugs. Did that make it a mediocre title? Of course not. Oh, and most of the bugs in II have been patched already.

Sales figures... probably not what BioWare wanted, I'll give you that. But if low Sales figures automatically made any game, no matter how good it was, mediocre... well you can finish the rest.

So yeah, instead of suggesting that I go back to school to learn how to read, maybe you oughta start reading the stuff you're writing instead. It'll save you a lot of embarrassment in the future. A protip, from me to you.

I guess you just fail.. but I'll explain it in English for you.

Reception - Reception from the public is bad.  Reception from websites is good you say?  The same websites that have Dragon Age banners and sponsorship deals with Bioware?  Thought so.

Bugs - While games come out with bugs, tell me one which has 8 unachievable achievements.  Or dead PC's walking around in cutscenes alive and well.  They aren't small little bugs, theres gamebreaking bugs, and bugs that are of severe detriment to the gameplay.

Plotholes - The choices in this game were shoehorned in, the outcome remains exactly the same, and it only makes sense if you're playing the game a certain way.  You can be nice to someone, and they inexplicably turn on you because "it would make sense if you picked the other choice".  This again is immersion breaking.

Sales Figures - Moved 1 million copies and Sold 1 million copies are different things.  They used the word moved, because they cannot use the word Sold.  Dragon Age 2 is a flop.

Replayability - It's already selling for $19 used because so many copies are traded in, so I'd take that as a sign of low replayability?  I saw a used copy of Origins that costs more than the DA2 pre-owned.

Be fanboyish all you want, but the game is a failure.

[Persephone]

Great.

Back to the fanboy label and the condescending attitude.

How predictable.

[erynnar]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

erynnar wrote...


This^ And that quote by Mr. Laidlaw about the two Archdemons stapled together to make a super Blight really just gets my goat.  Oh, I should put that on the 'Gets My Goat thread."  It just struck me as snotty and looking down his nose (my take, not necessarily what he intended), and then adding more looking down his nose at someone like me who has giving constructive feedback as just not being able to handle change.  

I have to deal with constant change all my life (living in a new home and a new neighborhood every 2-3 years growing up and a job where we constantly change how we take cancer calls).  Mr. Laidlaw has no idea what kind of change I can handle.  I just don't like his changes because I find they make the game hardly worth playing once, let alone a second time.

edited to say that means it is how I took what he said, not necessarily what he intended.  

Let me highlight something:

MIKE LAIDLAW (from the interview cited way up above): I think we would have seen just as much negativity if we just, as I used to joke, stapled two Archdemons together and called it a super blight.

Maybe the use of boldface, underlining and italics will help people digest that. It was something he said in jest - maybe with coworkers even. Seriously, is everyone so hyper-sensitive that they have to take offense at something that was clearly just a joke? How you look at what he said has nothing to do with what he intended. The guy used the word "joke" after all. These forums are becoming increasingly ridiculous if something like that causes people to suffer from fits of apoplexy. How do people get by in their daily lives if they have zero sense of humor about, oh, anything? 

Hey, don't jump down my throat, I said it was how I took it. Sorry, but I still find his joke insulting and not funny (probably because of how DA2 came out). Again, my take on it. it is subjective, and my own. I never said anything else. You just jumped on the one thing that you didn't like about what I said. I may be alone in taking his joke as not particularly fitting or funny. If I am, so be it. And I didn't get myself worked into a lather over it.  

 
And the only one working themselves up into apoplexy is you, so far as I can see.  So, chill...

And I agree with Perse, more fanboy nonsense. *sigh*  

Modifié par erynnar, 17 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[Justin2k]

Persephone wrote...

Great.

Back to the fanboy label and the condescending attitude.

How predictable.

Well you are a fanboy no?  Your posts, signature, everything about you screams it.  That you were going to like Dragon Age 2 regardless of its flaws, because you love the franchise and you love Bioware.

Thats not an insult.  Its great you enjoyed the game.  But to deny its flaws and mediocrity is just blind.

[barryl89]

And the only one working themselves up into apoplexy is you, so far as I can see. So, chill...

Oh did you miss the mass hysteria of the first few weeks? I swear some people thought the sky was about to fall down on their heads.

[Rockpopple]

Oh Justin2k. You sound upset. We're just having a conversation here. Relax. Have a coke.

Actually, by Reception I mean reception from Metacritic (not the Users, unless you think they're the be all and end all of all reception out there), IGN, Gamespot, 1UP, Gametrailers... do I really need to go on?

Oh, but they don't count, because they disagwee with you.

Bugs - Yeah, they're bugs. Fallout NV had truly gamebreaking bugs, but somehow I don't think you would call that a "mediocre" game. Of course, I could be wrong. Oh, and they've been patched. Just felt I needed to mention that again, since you keep overlooking that.

Plotholes - Your thoughts on the plot are your own. They're not an official fact of the game. I find many of the choices in the game to be hard to make, and they do have impact on the plot, and I'm not alone. I'm not saying my opinion about the plot supercedes yours - I'm saying they're just as valid.

Sales - Yeah, I already agreed that they're low for BioWare. In fact, I never even mentioned the 1 million sales.... are you sure you're responding to my post? Reading comprehension? I have no doubt you know how to read... but still....

Replayability - In some places they're selling it for $20, in others it's still at full-price. Many, many people are playing the game over and over again. It's all subjective. Do you know what that word means?

Ah, and there it is: fanboy. Because I disagree with you, it makes me a Biodrone. lol! Dude, you may not know this, but you just won me a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. I made a bet while waiting for you to respond. Thanks!

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[Rockpopple]

The Angry One wrote...

Laidlaw could come and admit that the recycled levels were a poorly thought out idea.
He'd gain more respect that way. Everybody makes mistakes, but what's important is that you admit them and fix them, not try to defend them as an "artistic choice" or "to allow more content elsehwere". You just can't justify the unjustifiable.

He could, I agree.

It wouldn't gain him one iota of respect amongst those who already disrespect him for just about everything else. So I can see why he would think it was pointless.

But again, in time, I'm sure they'll come out talking about what they feel were DA II's shortcomings.

[erynnar]

barryl89 wrote...

And the only one working themselves up into apoplexy is you, so far as I can see. So, chill...

Oh did you miss the mass hysteria of the first few weeks? I swear some people thought the sky was about to fall down on their heads.

Yeah...sorry, my bad. I meant at the moment?  Geeze....  The only excitement I manage is when someone says on a pos post they really liked it. I cheer them on. 

[Justin2k]

Rockpopple wrote...

Actually, by Reception I mean reception from Metacritic (not the Users, unless you think they're the be all and end all of all reception out there), IGN, Gamespot, 1UP, Gametrailers... do I really need to go on?

Oh, but they don't count, because they disagwee with you.

They don't count because they're paid good money to give a good review?

Read up on how the video game industry works kid.  Night.

Modifié par Justin2k, 17 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[AtreiyaN7]

erynnar wrote...

Hey, don't jump down my throat, I said it was how I took it. Sorry, but I still find his joke insulting and not funny (probably because of how DA2 came out). Again, my take on it. it is subjective, and my own. I never said anything else. You just jumped on the one thing that you didn't like about what I said. I may be alone in taking his joke as not particularly fitting or funny. If I am, so be it. And I didn't get myself worked into a lather over it.  

 
And the only one working themselves up into apoplexy is you, so far as I can see.  So, chill...

And I agree with Perse, more fanboy nonsense. *sigh*  

That hardly constituted "jumping down your throat." I was, however, illustrating a point that people are taking certain things far too seriously and reading way too much into something that was strictly, and clearly, a joke.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[Rockpopple]

Hey, more predictable condescending nonsense by Justin2k. (I can only assume the 2k part comes from his birth year. Ouch! Was that over the line?) It's only 6pm here, so I'm gonna chalk it up to him being tired. I'm such a nice guy, after-all.

It's too bad more people can't disagree without resorting to ad-hominum attacks and making it oddly personal. It's kinda weird. Ah well.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 10:39 .

[erynnar]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Laidlaw could come and admit that the recycled levels were a poorly thought out idea.
He'd gain more respect that way. Everybody makes mistakes, but what's important is that you admit them and fix them, not try to defend them as an "artistic choice" or "to allow more content elsehwere". You just can't justify the unjustifiable.

He could, I agree.

It wouldn't gain him one iota of respect amongst those who already disrespect him for just about everything else. So I can see why he would think it was pointless.

But again, in time, I'm sure they'll come out talking about what they feel were DA II's shortcomings.

I, myself, would seriously applaud him if he did that. I can forgive and forget if someone admits a mistake. I am just terrible at holding grudges. Trust, that would take bit more bridge building. And no, I am not one of these, "BioWare is dead to me forever" types either (ppft, such silliness). But I am...more cautious?

edited for grammar, good grief!<_<

Modifié par erynnar, 17 avril 2011 - 10:37 .

[Rockpopple]

Well you're a special case, erynnar. You're one of the good ones, the exception that proves the rule.

And I'm not just saying that to get on your good side.

[MorrigansLove]

I would really like someone to justify and elaborate on why they thought the story of DA2 was well done. Do you feel the death scenes were handled well at the pivotal moments? Do you like the disjointed feel of it all? Please, I would really like to know.

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 17 avril 2011 - 10:39 .

[Aoba]

oldmansavage wrote...

/shrug its his funeral.  There are other game designers out there that will shepherd the wayward flock. 

Oooo, can the shepherding wait until Halloween? I've only just started work on my wolf costume and am not sure it will be ready before then.

[Justin2k]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Great.

Back to the fanboy label and the condescending attitude.

How predictable.

Well you are a fanboy no?  Your posts, signature, everything about you screams it.  That you were going to like Dragon Age 2 regardless of its flaws, because you love the franchise and you love Bioware.

Thats not an insult.  Its great you enjoyed the game.  But to deny its flaws and mediocrity is just blind.

I believe the correct term is "fangirl". Besides, what's wrong with her opinions differing from yours? Maybe she just chooses to ignore the flaws (which I can't do, sadly).

I'm sorry, I assumed it was a guy.  

*Sigh* There is nothing wrong with him/her having a differing opinion.  But he/she objected to being called a fanboy/fangirl.  When in reality, that's exactly what most of the defenders of this game are...

The people with every Bioware game registered, the people with "i love alistair xxx" in their sigs, the people that spend a lot of time on this site..

And regardless of what Bioware put out, they'd like it.  And thats great if they truly like it, and have talked themselves into liking it or whatever.

But it doesn't make any difference to the fact that the game has failed in the general consensus.   Sure if people like it, fine.  Doesn't make it a great game though.

I liked Pirates of the Carribean.  Didn't make it a great film.

[Persephone]

Justin2k wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Great.

Back to the fanboy label and the condescending attitude.

How predictable.

Well you are a fanboy no?  Your posts, signature, everything about you screams it.  That you were going to like Dragon Age 2 regardless of its flaws, because you love the franchise and you love Bioware.

Thats not an insult.  Its great you enjoyed the game.  But to deny its flaws and mediocrity is just blind.

No. If anything I am a fanGIRL.

My signature? It leads to fan fiction based on DAO....so, huh?

Actually, dearie, I was very against DAII based on the trailers, slogans and information they released. Even after placing a pre-order in December (Christmas gift, my father's money, so fine) , I was on the fence. I saw some gameplay (Anders' first quest) and thought...hmmmmmmmmm. I like that. Now let's see...

I love Bioware and I love the DA Franchise. These things do not make me incapable of disliking the flaws. I hate Awakening. I despise Witch Hunt. Golems was a bad joke.

So stop acting like you know my motives for loving a game.

I am not ignoring its flaws, nor ignoring DAO's glaring flaws.

Mediocre? Such an abused word. Like overrated, also much abused. (DAO is overrated these days though. Now THAT'S fanboyism) It's tossed around at anything and anyone. From Maria Callas (Who has been called both mediocre and overrated) to *Insert famous book/movie/song/play/opera*. DAII is in excellent company there.

[upsettingshorts]

Actually, his defense of the repeated zones makes perfect sense - people just don't want to accept it because they're not accountable to anything beyond their own preferences. So much so that the only "apology" that would actually still apply would be something like, "Yes, given more time and money we wouldn't have reused the same zones repeatedly. But that wasn't our call to make, we did what we could with the resources alotted and chose to include that extra content even if it ultimately led to the same place."

And people would still hate him.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Justin2k]

Rockpopple wrote...

Hey, more predictable condescending nonsense by Justin2k. (I can only assume the 2k part comes from his birth year. Ouch! Was that over the line?) It's only 6pm here, so I'm gonna chalk it up to him being tired. I'm such a nice guy, after-all.

It's too bad more people can't disagree without resorting to ad-hominum attacks and making it oddly personal. It's kinda weird. Ah well.

You're right, I'm tired.  I apologise.  I do believe it was you responding to me bashing my opinion that started it, but oh well, lets move on.

[Rockpopple]

MorrigansLove wrote...

I would really like someone to justify and elaborate on why they thought the story of DA2 was well done. Do you feel the death scenes were handled well at the pivotal moments? Do you like the disjointed feel of it all? Please, I would really like to know.

Well since this is a non-spoiler forum, I will not talk about spoilers. But I will tell you that the death of the sibling in the beginning seems to be a turn-off for a lot of people. It wasn't for me, but I didn't actually feel the emotion of that scene until later in the game, in Act I. Talking to Hawke's mother and sister about the death of that sibling, or with the brother if it was Bethany that died (Not a spoiler since it happens in the demo) was really poignant and well done, in my opinion.

I don't feel the siblings death in the beginning was disjointed. It was fast, yes, but things were moving quickly at that time. Later on, when it all came together, I came to appreciate it.

Not saying your opinion is any less valid than my own, of course.

@ Justin2k - Done and done. Tabula Rasa, my friend. I don't hold grudges.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 10:44 .

[MorrigansLove]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Actually, his defense of the repeated zones makes perfect sense - people just don't want to accept it because they're not accountable to anything beyond their own preferences. So much so that the only "apology" that would actually still apply would be something like, "Yes, given more time and money we wouldn't have reused the same zones repeatedly. But that wasn't our call to make, we did what we could with the resources alotted and chose to include that extra content even if it ultimately led to the same place."

And people would still hate him.

How in god's name do you know that? I, for one, would be incredibly relieved to hear if he came out and said up fron that the re-used areas were "their bad" and that it will never happen again. I can see that this Mike Laidlaw is a nice guy, he just needs to admit that there were flaws in his, what he thinks, "masterpiece".

[neppakyo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Actually, his defense of the repeated zones makes perfect sense - people just don't want to accept it because they're not accountable to anything beyond their own preferences. So much so that the only "apology" that would actually still apply would be something like, "Yes, given more time and money we wouldn't have reused the same zones repeatedly. But that wasn't our call to make, we did what we could with the resources alotted and chose to include that extra content even if it ultimately led to the same place."

And people would still hate him.

Nah, it just to a lot of people he comes across as a dick (no offense to him!) He probably isn't, but thats the vibe some get from him. He's not a very good person to do interviews or do PR. They should of got someone else. Maybe Chris Priestly or John Epler, they do pretty good on these forums.

[The Angry One]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Actually, his defense of the repeated zones makes perfect sense - people just don't want to accept it because they're not accountable to anything beyond their own preferences. So much so that the only "apology" that would actually still apply would be something like, "Yes, given more time and money we wouldn't have reused the same zones repeatedly. But that wasn't our call to make, we did what we could with the resources alotted and chose to include that extra content even if it ultimately led to the same place."

And people would still hate him.

The stated reasons don't justify the amount and the blatancy of it though.
For example, DA:O had recycled areas, but not that many, and only in areas where it didn't matter that much. Who cares if Denerim Back Alley A looks like Denerim Back Alley B?
It still managed plenty of quests and content. In DA2 you have basically one cave, one ruin, one outdoor area used over and over and over. The sheer amount of the game that's taken up by recycled areas is what he should at least acknowledge as a bad idea.

Yes, a lot of people would still pile on the hate. But I for one would be understanding.

[upsettingshorts]

MorrigansLove wrote...

How in god's name do you know that?

As that's more or less how I've been interpreting his comments already, because it wasn't a huge deal to me and I'm not emotionally invested in the "travesty" of repeated areas.

The Angry One wrote...

The stated reasons don't justify the amount and the blatancy of it though.

Speaking of "and how do you know that?"

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 avril 2011 - 10:44 .