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[MorrigansLove]

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

Oh. My. God. I only like the game because I enjoy it? That's the only thing that does matter, in the end.

Look, it could have been (far) better. It is no masterpiece. I guess in the end it's a glass half full or half empty issue. I take the "half full" approach - I don't deny any of it's flaws. I don't like the level re-use, I don't like the wave mechanic,  but what I call mediocre is entirely up to me, you don't make this judgement for me. Thanks.

You're saying you know it has problems, but it isn't mediocre to YOU! The game IS mediocre, because of all the problems that it has. I can't be asked to explain anymore, here's a link to Rockpapershotgun if you want a professional analysis: http://www.rockpaper...-dragon-age-ii/

And everyone is supposed to follow a professional reviewer's opinion like a herd of mindless cattle? (Wait, that actually happened.....in part)

No thanks, I'm not one to jump on Review bandwagons. I form my own opinions.

Alright, instead of reading any reviews on websites or magazines, why don't you go buy every game ever created and "form" your own opinion on them? Huh? You don't want to? Guess you'll have to read some reviews to find out if the game is good or not before you waste your money.

No, dearie. I'll follow the genres I like. Buy from the studios I trust. If I am on the fence, I'll rent the game first. Easy as that.

Yeah, I trusted Square Enix before Final Fantasy Online. Look how that turned out. Can't rent it neither, because no shops will take it!

[Bryy_Miller]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Alright, instead of reading any reviews on websites or magazines, why don't you go buy every game ever created and "form" your own opinion on them? Huh? You don't want to? Guess you'll have to read some reviews to find out if the game is good or not before you waste your money.

I was reading this thread, wasn't going to comment since this is utter ridiculousness, and this may be a bit off-topic, but every video game ever bought is a waste of money.

Unless it's market research. In that case, it's a tax write-off.

[MorrigansLove]

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Ideally? Both. Which is what I believe they are doing. From what I have heard, Bioware is taking all praise/criticism and putting in it files to be further evaluated. If the majority of people have issue with a particular aspect of the game, they will most likely tweak said aspect in the next game.

Aha, I guess we'll find out if that's true in the upcoming expansion/dlc's.

And of course it's ONLY true if everything you want is part of these upcoming DLC. Otherwise it'll be all "Betrayal!" again. Mark my words.

All I want is a coherent story, and no re-used areas. Oh, and no game-breaking bugs, but I'm sure they'll still be in there.

[Riknas]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Alright, instead of reading any
reviews on websites or magazines, why don't you go buy every game ever
created and "form" your own opinion on them? Huh? You don't want to?
Guess you'll have to read some reviews to find out if the game is good
or not before you waste your money.

Alright, now we're just getting a bit offensive of each other, and the quote pyramids make the devs/mods upset.

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You know very well as a thinking human being that just because we (myself
included) value reviews to some extent, we also have our own opinions
and judge things based on our own first impressions. Movies (like Ace
Ventura) have bombed horribly in terms of critical reception, but also
beautifully succeeded commercially, dictating that "the people" liked it
regardless.

Persephone has every right to pick games at her leisure, sometimes reading reviews, and other times on a whim, word of mouth, whatever. If anything, reviewers today may be seen as wrong more often than ever, with the amount of money being tossed behind closed doors nowadays.

Modifié par Riknas, 16 avril 2011 - 11:03 .

[Merci357]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Let's hope they take many sources of reviews into account. But let's also hope they don't dismiss Rockpapershotgun.

[Sherbet Lemon]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

These fanboys sure prove how strong denial can be. The denial in this thread is so strong it warps reality.

Bioware insulted FFXIII, saying it wasn't an RPG. Then they released Dragon Age II, a game that was worse in every respect, being more linear, having no more choice in roleplaying and character customization, much worse graphics, recycled areas, a disjointed and slapped-together plot, and a metric ton of bugs. And I can't stop laughing at their hypocricy and miserable failure.

But that's just my opinion. Heh.

I hope I don't sound rude, but I really am curious.  How is DA:2 more linear than FFXIII?  Perhaps I read your statement wrong?

EDIT:  Typing fail T_T

Modifié par Village Idiot, 16 avril 2011 - 11:06 .

[cljqnsnyc]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...
 I could care less what anyone has to say about it!

What could I do to make you care less, I wonder...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

[upsettingshorts]

Well personally I hope they listen to me and me alone. Because that would result in the best game for me. Thankfully - mostly for the sake of everyone else, Bioware included - that isn't likely how they're going to go about things.

Still, Sylvius has this much right: There's little point in arguing for anything other than your own preferences. Where the forum as of late tends to go wrong is a matter of decorum, and (a lack of) substance. The constructive criticism thread, and others like it, do a good job of breaking down the game's flaws.

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

I couldn't care less how clever you think you're being.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 avril 2011 - 11:07 .

[Zanallen]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...
 I could care less what anyone has to say about it!

What could I do to make you care less, I wonder...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

There you go.

[solstickan]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

At around 1:00.

EDIT: Awww... Ninjas.

Modifié par solstickan, 16 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[Persephone]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Ideally? Both. Which is what I believe they are doing. From what I have heard, Bioware is taking all praise/criticism and putting in it files to be further evaluated. If the majority of people have issue with a particular aspect of the game, they will most likely tweak said aspect in the next game.

Aha, I guess we'll find out if that's true in the upcoming expansion/dlc's.

And of course it's ONLY true if everything you want is part of these upcoming DLC. Otherwise it'll be all "Betrayal!" again. Mark my words.

All I want is a coherent story, and no re-used areas. Oh, and no game-breaking bugs, but I'm sure they'll still be in there.

The story was perfectly coherent. But we cannot discuss this here, let's do that in the Spoiler forum.

No re-used areas won't be possible. (DAO re-used LOADS as well). But less re-used areas and better designed levels? Yes please. The outside areas were gorgeous, so more of those. And more diverse dungeons.

What game breaking bugs? I encountered none, even before both patches.

While in DAO......OMG, there were MANY!

Modifié par Persephone, 16 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[MyKingdomCold]

solstickan wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

At around 1:00.

EDIT: Awww... Ninjas.

at least the person in the video isn't one of those people who add consonants to words like Alistair in DA:O

"The archdemon sawr us!"

[cljqnsnyc]

It's a paradox figure of speech .......and disputing THIS wasn't my point..........

and I still COULD CARE LESS!

[Zanallen]

solstickan wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I guess a figure of speech statement isn't something you're familiar with.

At around 1:00.

EDIT: Awww... Ninjas.

Don't worry. Your's is funnier as it is British.

[Riknas]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It's a paradox figure of speech .......and disputing THIS wasn't my point..........

and I still COULD CARE LESS!

What a wonderful tangent we have trapped ourselves with.

[Morroian]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Voicing your opinion about a product you bought and was dissatisfied with is the right of every consumer. Expressing concern over the tone and choice characterizations posed by a certain designer is also the right of anyone who read it and felt affected by it.

And those of us who like it and who are sick of the way the OTT bashing is destroying this forum are free to challenge those opinions.

[upsettingshorts]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It's a paradox figure of speech

No it isn't.  It's quite simply really, it just means the exact opposite of "couldn't care less."

cljqnsnyc wrote...

and I still COULD CARE LESS!

Then answer my first question.  How can I - or anyone else - help you care less?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[Persephone]

Merci357 wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Let's hope they take many sources of reviews into account. But let's also hope they don't dismiss Rockpapershotgun.

Yes.

My hope is that they will take the constructive criticism to heart and not be discouraged by the hate.

Also, I hope they'll work with what people loved about DAII without being misled by some of the gushing.

The golden middle for me.

[MorrigansLove]

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Ideally? Both. Which is what I believe they are doing. From what I have heard, Bioware is taking all praise/criticism and putting in it files to be further evaluated. If the majority of people have issue with a particular aspect of the game, they will most likely tweak said aspect in the next game.

Aha, I guess we'll find out if that's true in the upcoming expansion/dlc's.

And of course it's ONLY true if everything you want is part of these upcoming DLC. Otherwise it'll be all "Betrayal!" again. Mark my words.

All I want is a coherent story, and no re-used areas. Oh, and no game-breaking bugs, but I'm sure they'll still be in there.

The story was perfectly coherent. But we cannot discuss this here, let's do that in the Spoiler forum.

No re-used areas won't be possible. (DAO re-used LOADS as well). But less re-used areas and better designed levels? Yes please. The outside areas were gorgeous, so more of those. And more diverse dungeons.

What game breaking bugs? I encountered none, even before both patches.

While in DAO......OMG, there were MANY!

Hmm, you're lucky, then. I encountered quite a lot. Especially the Act 3 Merrill bug. Still gets on my nerves to this day just thinking about it.

I agree the outside areas did look nice... at first. Going back to the wounded coast after the umpteenth time? BORING!

May I ask, do you think Dragon Age 2 was rushed, Persephone?

[Persephone]

Morroian wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Voicing your opinion about a product you bought and was dissatisfied with is the right of every consumer. Expressing concern over the tone and choice characterizations posed by a certain designer is also the right of anyone who read it and felt affected by it.

And those of us who like it and who are sick of the way the OTT bashing is destroying this forum are free to challenge those opinions.

This too.

One has to draw the line somewhere.

Constructive criticism is necessary. For every game. However: 

ANY game, including DAO, BG etc. could be torn down like this. If there are people willing enough to do so.

[Bullets McDeath]

Merced652 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

I think the real question is why does "the fanbase"* keep taking everything Mike Laidlaw says as an insult?

*by fanbase, I mean the criminally insane

exhibit 1a

Its about goshdam time. What'd I win?

[rcollins1701]

Persephone wrote...
And of course it's ONLY true if everything you want is part of these upcoming DLC. Otherwise it'll be all "Betrayal!" again. Mark my words.

Since a previous post was removed because my snark and sarcasm was interpreted by many as strawmanning, let me be more tactful.

It seems that many of those who are arguing for the ouster of Mr. Laidlaw and decry DA2 as a betrayl do so because your expectations of a Bioware title and/or DA game were not, in any way, met by this current release. You are free to feel slighted or insulted; after reading interviews with devs, you are likewise free to feel insulted, even furious. But how is signing on the Bioware forums and starting countless negative DA2/Bioware Dev threads going to do anything to reach your goals? Likewise, since terms like strawmanning have been thrown around, how is resulting to ad hominem and no-true-scotsman attacks on those who either didn't hate the game as much as you did or genuinely liked the game going to do anything? At the very least, you should start or contribute to threads like this, or write blogs and reviews that reach an audience outside of the very narrow demographic found on this forum. If that isn't enough, perhaps you should actually do something that a[ny] company like Bioware would respond to before anything else: stop consuming their products. Boycott them, write letters to them explaining why you're boycotting them, and what would make you stop. Signing on to their boards and posting rants about how you hate them and will never pre-order another title of theirs (yet, you'll still play, buy or rent it) will accomplish nothing.

Also, understand that many people, PC and console gamers alike, may consider themselves to be hardcore fans of both the genre and the company and yet have read the same interviews that you've read and didn't find any or the same insult or grievances that you seem to have found. A discussion like this would be more fruitful if you cited your sources, quoted specific passages, explained what about them was offensive to you and then asked for reactions. From there, an actual discussion and debate could be had, rather than name calling and speculation.

Modifié par rcollins1701, 16 avril 2011 - 11:22 .

[Persephone]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Question, who would EA/Bioware listen to and actually take into account their opinion: Me/Merci or Rockpapershotgun?

Ideally? Both. Which is what I believe they are doing. From what I have heard, Bioware is taking all praise/criticism and putting in it files to be further evaluated. If the majority of people have issue with a particular aspect of the game, they will most likely tweak said aspect in the next game.

Aha, I guess we'll find out if that's true in the upcoming expansion/dlc's.

And of course it's ONLY true if everything you want is part of these upcoming DLC. Otherwise it'll be all "Betrayal!" again. Mark my words.

All I want is a coherent story, and no re-used areas. Oh, and no game-breaking bugs, but I'm sure they'll still be in there.

The story was perfectly coherent. But we cannot discuss this here, let's do that in the Spoiler forum.

No re-used areas won't be possible. (DAO re-used LOADS as well). But less re-used areas and better designed levels? Yes please. The outside areas were gorgeous, so more of those. And more diverse dungeons.

What game breaking bugs? I encountered none, even before both patches.

While in DAO......OMG, there were MANY!

Hmm, you're lucky, then. I encountered quite a lot. Especially the Act 3 Merrill bug. Still gets on my nerves to this day just thinking about it.

I agree the outside areas did look nice... at first. Going back to the wounded coast after the umpteenth time? BORING!

May I ask, do you think Dragon Age 2 was rushed, Persephone?

Merrill bug is fixed now. (Patch 1.02)

And Alistair acting like he was king when he wasn't bothered me much more. (And that was never fixed. Modders worked around it though)

Going back to Orzammar countless times and the blasted DR was just as meh. Hence me saying: MORE outside areas. Like some villages for example. Or more districts opening up in Kirkwall as time passes.

Yeah, it was rushed, esp. the last Act. (Same goes for post Landsmeet DAO. Ugh) And I'll be the first to say: Another 6 months of Dev time would have done DAII a world of good.

[MorrigansLove]

@Persephone - Another 6 months of Dev time would have done DAII a world of good.

AGREED! O.M.G, Persephone. We agree on something for once. I will also say that I'd like a lot of short, NOT reused dungeons, instead of a few long, arduous dungeons. More fun, less grinding. DA2's dungeons did feel like one big deep road, to be honest, though.

[Justin2k]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh. My. God. Some people in this thread really do make me laugh. Look, I understand if you like the game, and find it as a nice fun time waster and such. But, please, please, PLEASE DO NOT say that this game is not mediocre, because the cons outweigh the pros for this game entirely. Seriously, re-used areas? Less involved conversations with companions? Plotholes galore? ALL of these things bring down this game, so NOONE should be calling a masterpiece. I understand if you are one of the people saying "Well, I can look past that..." but you cannot and should not say that this game is above average because it isn't. You only like the game, because you enjoy it for what it is.

Exactly.   Bioware rate this game 10/10 on websites.  10/10 means cannot get better, is the best it could be.  Is great.  Do Bioware really think this?

3 quests bugged for me and wouldnt leave quest log.
a total of about 8 achievements bugged for me.
I saw the aftermath of Merril's companion quest before I had done it.
I could not get the final armor piece for Aveline.
A dead PC showed up in a cutscene alive and well.

None of that is opinion, just fact.   That alone stops it being 10/10.  As for opinions, most of the game was spent doing the same sidequest over and over.  The names of the npc changed, and the left door would be locked and the right one open, but it was the same sidequest.

So yeah, 10/10?  Masterpiece?  No.  Maybe you just like grindy games.  Did some of you have fun, great for you.  Is it a mediocre game and failing to say so is accepting mediocrity?  Certainly.

If people want them to keep churning out buggy unfinished rushed games then by all means, keep licking away, noone is stopping you.  But don't try to tell me something is perfect when it's clearly not.

Modifié par Justin2k, 16 avril 2011 - 11:29 .