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[Centauri2002]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Hideous eldritch abominations, I'm telling you, we only think they look like humans but underneath that facade all the Liara romancers out there just romanced Cthulhu.

And what's wrong with Cthulhu? I happen to think he's quite cute!

Modifié par centauri2002, 16 avril 2011 - 10:18 .

[Quole]

http://masseffect.wi...:_Council_Races
The first line of the second paragraph in the codex is ``An all female race...``
...just saying.

Modifié par Quole, 16 avril 2011 - 10:18 .

[Tilarta]

I never really accepted the concept of Asari being monogendered.

If they were truly a monogendered race, they wouldn't look feminine or masculine, but would have a rather different appearance.
Heck, the only species that can pull that off are amphibians and reptiles.

So despite whatever they say, all Asari are female to me.
I mean, there's two fairly obvious cues if you look at them.
Just don't look too long, the Asari will probably take offense to you not making eye contact.

And the mental trick of altering their appearance is just a bad theory, it doesn't make sense.

For example, poor lamented Liselle.
If she was truly using her mental abilities to alter her appearance, the moment she became unconscious, the illusion would have faded and Grayson would have seen her as she truly was.
And when that <censored> Leng kills her about 10 minutes later, she really wouldn't be using her mental powers anymore.
Plus, there's the whole recording technology thing, mental powers don't work on those either.

So, an Asari isn't using any tricks to appear appealing to other species, they look like that all the time.

Modifié par Tilarta, 16 avril 2011 - 11:06 .

[Eradyn]

It's not complicated. It's BW wanting their cake and to eat it too. In ME1, asari were females. Even the devs talked about them being female. In ME2, all of a sudden they weren't (even though, for all intents and purposes, they are) because for some reason you just can't have gay/lesbian relationships in the ME series.  Or something like that, I'm sure. It's not the first cop-out BW's ever done and it won't be the last. I think, at this point, it's just a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of thing.

Modifié par Eradyn, 16 avril 2011 - 11:28 .

[bluuberg]

Of course Liara isn't female, she and every other Asari just have 2 lumpy deposits of fat on their chests that conveniently happen to resemble human breasts. No other explanation needed ^^

[Ryzaki]

Still. We should call Liara "it" to respect the devs wishes of not seeing the Asari as an all female race. Since according to their creators they're not.

The whole galaxy may be wrong on the matter (including the Asari themselves) but we should strive to be correct.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 avril 2011 - 03:25 .

[lolwut666]

I don't even call animals "it".

They look female, act female, give birth. That's enough for me to refer to them as "she".

And I really don't feel like semantics is something I should give so much importance to.

[commandoclone87]

The term ``mono-gendered" means of "one-gender." As they tend to resemble/relate more to females in other species than males, then female is the correct pronoun. That said, Liara told Shepard that "male and female do not have the same meaning to them."

It would be different if they were considered hermaphroditic (both genders represented in all individuals). At that point, they would be refered to the pronoun that best describes their current state in the reproductive cycle (look up the Hutts from Star Wars or even flatworms if you want non-fiction references).

Besides, just from what we see of the Asari in Mass Effect 1, Asari cannot be biologically compared to males in any species.

[Praetor Knight]

Ryzaki wrote...

Still. We should call Liara "it" to respect the devs wishes of not seeing the Asari as an all female race. Since according to their creators they're not.

The whole galaxy may be wrong on the matter (including the Asari themselves) but we should strive to be correct.

I had a random thought related to this, that I'd like to share.

In Farscape there is an episode where a species is introduced that have androgynous features. If anyone is interested they could check out these links from the wiki. Staanz, Zenetan

I think there might be room for one funny situation with a new species in ME3.

[emmanuelsieyes]

centauri2002 wrote...

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Hideous eldritch abominations, I'm telling you, we only think they look like humans but underneath that facade all the Liara romancers out there just romanced Cthulhu.

And what's wrong with Cthulhu? I happen to think he's quite cute!

I hate to have to correct you on this, but what I think you meant to post was:

[Freeride600]

Asari might be monogendered, but they're clearly female: each one has the ability to carry offspring and has an obviously more feminine form. Additionally, you hear them referring to their "daughters" or in Morinth's case, "Mother."

Shady ground indeed, but i'd say it's pretty clear judging by the references in game.

[Olwydd]

Sigh... Asari are a mono-gendered all-female species. People forget that gender does not equate to sex. The former is a social construct, the latter is based upon biological functioning.

Asari reproduce via parthenogenesis, which is a mode of asexual reproduction within exclusively female populations (i.e. does not require fertilization by males), and is found in several species on this planet. However, the important lesson to take home is that individuals of a parthenogenic species are biologically female. Thus, Liara is a 'she' (since 'she' seems to be a sex pronoun more than a gender pronoun).

Modifié par Olwydd, 17 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[silentassassin264]

Yes, Asari are "it's". Everyone in the Mass Effect universe is homophobic and the only way to satisfy same-sex desire is with a discount option. They are neither male nor female, just fanservice.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nyoka wrote...

Gawd, saying that asari are not blue women is the mightiest example of handwaving I have ever seen. It even goes beyond handwaving.

I think that's the point of this thread.  You know, to point out the handwaving.

[ydaraishy]

Nyoka wrote...

It's like giant windmills in the middle of a hurricane. They wave their hands at nearly light speed.

... creating a gigantic mass effect field that powers the drive core of the new Normandy SR-2.

(Amirite?)

Modifié par ydaraishy, 17 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[Praetor Knight]

Nyoka wrote...

Gawd, saying that asari are not blue women is the mightiest example of handwaving I have ever seen. It even goes beyond handwaving.

Couldn't resist

[Dexi]

Olwydd wrote...

Sigh... Asari are a mono-gendered all-female species. People forget that gender does not equate to sex. The former is a social construct, the latter is based upon biological functioning.

Asari reproduce via parthenogenesis, which is a mode of asexual reproduction within exclusively female populations (i.e. does not require fertilization by males), and is found in several species on this planet. However, the important lesson to take home is that individuals of a parthenogenic species are biologically female. Thus, Liara is a 'she' (since 'she' seems to be a sex pronoun more than a gender pronoun).

/thread closed for question answered.

[didymos1120]

No, no, no.  See, the only time they're not female is when Casey Hudson or some other Bioware person is asked if Femshep+Liara is gay. Then, for the duration of the lamely obfuscatory answer, they suddenly become sexless.  As soon as that little exercise in unconvincing PR spin is done, they immediately go back to being chicks.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[CroGamer002]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Liara is a zhe.

EDIT: In all seriousness, people use 'she' because Liara looks - in human terms - female. Additionally, seeing as all Asari are capable of birth, while they are monogendered, they are female. It is simply that they are not part of a sexual binary like other species in ME.

I call Legion he and he is definitely NOT male.

Modifié par Mesina2, 17 avril 2011 - 06:06 .

[Centauri2002]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I hate to have to correct you on this, but what I think you meant to post was:

Haha, true enough Emmanuel. I consider myself corrected!

Back on topic: I think the question's been answered. She is how I'll be referring to the asari, no matter how the PR tries to spin it. They were originally designated all-female and that's how they were designed. That's enough for me.

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 avril 2011 - 08:25 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Hideous eldritch abominations, I'm telling you, we only think they look like humans but underneath that facade all the Liara romancers out there just romanced Cthulhu.

I'd romance cthulu, i've always had a soft spot for otherworldly horrors beyond the stars.  Seriously though,  I can't quite get my head around doubting an Asari's feminities.  Sure they may not be female as humanity sees them,  but,  they are   most definitly women.

[TwistedComplex]

Yes she is

And no, i won't romance her. I don't need space herpes

[AngelicMachinery]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Yes she is

And no, i won't romance her. I don't need space herpes

Getting dieseases from another species is rather difficult,  just saying.