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[upsettingshorts]

I figured, but it seemed like a good opportunity to elaborate.

[Get Magna Carter]

didymos1120 - I meant that when Asari reproduce with each other, either can take on the "female" role with the other taking on the "male" role - and it is likely that both can simultaneously take on "female" roles and thus be simultaneously taking on a "male" role as well.
(other species are incapable of taking on the "female" role so in a Femshep Liara relationship, Liara is the "female" and femshep is the "male")

as I said earlier...it's complicated

[Centauri2002]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

didymos1120 - I meant that when Asari reproduce with each other, either can take on the "female" role with the other taking on the "male" role - and it is likely that both can simultaneously take on "female" roles and thus be simultaneously taking on a "male" role as well.
(other species are incapable of taking on the "female" role so in a Femshep Liara relationship, Liara is the "female" and femshep is the "male")

as I said earlier...it's complicated

But this is a human view. Asari won't see it like that. It's our own constructs of gender that we're pushing on a completely different species. Same with considering asari to be female, I suppose. Although, I don't consider FemShep as being the male, because I don't think like that.

[OrbitalWings]

Torhagen wrote...

Liara Is neither she belongs to a monogender Species

Mono - meaning one. For the millionth time: one gender, not no gender.

[Centauri2002]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Liara Is neither she belongs to a monogender Species

Mono - meaning one. For the millionth time: one gender, not no gender.

It doesn't seem to matter how many times we say that, does it? >.>

[upsettingshorts]

She is female (sex). She is not feminine or masculine, as Asari have no concept of either (gender). That's all there is to it.

[OrbitalWings]

It many ways mono-gendered isn't the best term for it - because of the confusion it evidently causes. As has been said, gender is more whether they're masculine or feminine; of which asari can easily be both.

A "girly", feminine asari is female.
A butch, "manly" asari is female.

Is it really so hard to understand?

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

The BS Police wrote...

How does this look like a 10 year old?

Further more, how can you compare a blue space alien who is female, has the body of a  women in her twenties, and is over 100 years old to a real life 10 year old girl?

I just can't see the logic in such a comparison!

Ghost Warrior wrote...

That asari problem is truly confusing.

When you talk to Liara in ME1,I believe she says something like "asari don't have genders,at least not in the way you would understand". Then again,I think Codex says they are all female. We also know they get pregnant by mind melting,so I fail to understand their physiology. And they look and sound like human females,but does that necessarily make them female?

God,I have no idea what I just said,I'm confused. I hope BioWare explains this in ME3.

It's rather simple, in Asari terms they are just simply Asari. Since they have only one sex they have no need for any kind of gender names Males and Females.

THE FACE DAMMIT, THE FACE
from the previous pic not the on above...

Modifié par R3c0nn4155nc3, 17 avril 2011 - 01:23 .

[Centauri2002]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

THE FACE DAMMIT, THE FACE
from the previous pic not the on above...

You're going to have to be a bit more specific than that. Still not seeing your point. >.>

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Boobs? Check.

Lady naughty bits? Check.

Curves? Check.

Predilection to art and emotion? Check.

Births and nurses young? Check.

Feminine voices? Check.

No, they're not women at all.

Have you been checking for those naughty bits, Jade?   Since they're an alien race, there's no guarantee they're going to share the same traits as human females. Even though they do share a lot... but details... >.>

Another question that could be asked is why have the asari and humans evolved in similar ways, from a physical perspective? Human women and asari share a lot of physical characteristics. The likelihood of that happening without contact is very slim. 

Hey, I'm just saying that I romanced Liara all the time with my Sheps and from what I've seen, there is not much difference between her's and Durga's bodies sans blue skin, ridges, and those tentecle thingies.

Coinidence mayhap? There was this bachelor party on Eternity involving a human, a salarian(the groom or "doner-to-be"), a turian, and a asari dancer. In the banter, all the men found something attractive to the asari specific to their race ie the turian found her facial marks attractive, the salarian liked her ridges, and the human liked her body.  We may never know....though I wonder if all asari are just mind-messing with us to make us attracted to them....

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[GodWood]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
She is female (sex). She is not feminine or masculine, as Asari have no concept of either (gender). That's all there is to it.

Well I imagine they do as they'd have animals on their home planet that have male and female genders, masculine/feminine roles etc.
So the concepts would exist they just wouldn't apply them to themselves.

[Centauri2002]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Hey, I'm just saying that I romanced Liara all the time with my Sheps and from what I've seen, there is not much difference between her's and Durga's bodies sans blue skin, ridges, and those tentecle thingies.

Coinidence mayhap? There was this bachelor party on Eternity involving a human, a salarian(the groom or "doner-to-be"), a turian, and a asari dancer. In the banter, all the men found something attractive to the asari specific to their race ie the turian found her facial marks attractive, the salarian liked her ridges, and the human liked her body.  We may never know....though I wonder if all asari are just mind-messing with us to make us attracted to them....

I doubt it has anything to do with any kind of psychic control. I think it's more likely that there's some kind of chemical reaction happening that stimulates the area of the brain that controls attraction. The asari form of pheremones, perhaps? After all, when we're attracted to someone we often find particular features of them more alluring than on someone we're not attracted to. 

Of course, this is all conjecture. >.>

[Centauri2002]

GodWood wrote...
Well I imagine they do as they'd have animals on their home planet that have male and female genders, masculine/feminine roles etc.

So the concepts would exist they just wouldn't apply them to themselves.

Would they? Isn't it more likely that animals on their home world share some traits with the asari? Just because there are male and female sexes on Earth, doesn't mean they exist everywhere.

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[grimkillah]

Archontor wrote...

well the reason they call her a she a her and a daughter is because it and child are too impersonal and don't carry the same feelings of attatchment so the translators alter it this just the same as calling EDI an it we call her a she to help humanise her.

EDI is she becasue she has now become the ship, naval tradition demand all ship to be considered as she.

Modifié par grimkillah, 17 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[grimkillah]

centauri2002 wrote...

Another question that could be asked is why have the asari and humans evolved in similar ways, from a physical perspective? Human women and asari share a lot of physical characteristics. The likelihood of that happening without contact is very slim.

Interesting that you rasied this point, on Earth, the reason we have male and female, is that in the beginning all basic lifeform are asexual, or female if you like, and as life evolves, for some reason, life begun create male as a filter for genetic mistake during reproduction. so if life on earth found a different way to safeguard again mistakes during genetic reproduction, then all else been equal, we will have an all female humanity, similar to the Asari. However we took the current evolutionary path, and Asari appear to used their way.

Modifié par grimkillah, 17 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[GodWood]

centauri2002 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Well I imagine they do as they'd have animals on their home planet that have male and female genders, masculine/feminine roles etc.

So the concepts would exist they just wouldn't apply them to themselves.

Would they? Isn't it more likely that animals on their home world share some traits with the asari?

Just because it's an alien planet that doesn't mean it cannot conform to basic science.
Statistically a planet with billions of species is bound to have some variety.
Our planet has species that only have one gender (just like the asari) and it's got others that've got two.

[didymos1120]

centauri2002 wrote...

Would they? Isn't it more likely that animals on their home world share some traits with the asari? Just because there are male and female sexes on Earth, doesn't mean they exist everywhere.

The idea that no species on Thessia has multiple sexes is far more unlikely, given that it's believed to have evolved multiple times  independently on Earth alone.  And "some traits" can cover all sorts of stuff.  We have plenty of stuff in common with everything living on the planet, regardless of whether that species is sexual or asexual.

[Centauri2002]

We can only base science on what we know. And all we know is what exists on this planet. Other planets could have different evolutionary paths entirely.

I didn't say it was impossible that Thessia has no multiple sex species. I was pointing out that assuming it does merely because our planet does, doesn't prove anything.

[didymos1120]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

And let's put this to bed about asexuality too, while we're at it:

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

If the asari were truly asexual, then they wouldn't be dancing in strip clubs or what have you.

You're equivocating multiple senses of "asexual".  They're not asexual in the sense of not having a biological sex.  They're also not asexual in the sense of lacking a sex drive and not having sexual relations.  They ARE asexual in the sense pertaining to where their babies come from: parthenogenesis is an asexual form of reproduction.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 avril 2011 - 03:38 .

[grimkillah]

centauri2002 wrote...

We can only base science on what we know. And all we know is what exists on this planet. Other planets could have different evolutionary paths entirely.

I didn't say it was impossible that Thessia has no multiple sex species. I was pointing out that assuming it does merely because our planet does, doesn't prove anything.

Given that the most evolved specie on Thessia is asexual, there must be an evolutionary advantage to be so, maybe higher than normal UV radiation, so one can assume that most if not all the life form on Thessia is asexual.

[didymos1120]

centauri2002 wrote...

We can only base science on what we know. And all we know is what exists on this planet. Other planets could have different evolutionary paths entirely.

I didn't say it was impossible that Thessia has no multiple sex species. I was pointing out that assuming it does merely because our planet does, doesn't prove anything.

They have genetics.  They use DNA, even though the bases and some amino acides might be different. The basic evolutionary mechanisms are not going to be different: selection, drift, all that good stuff.  Their biosphere is clearly quite Earth-like.  Seems very reasonable to expect multiple sexes to evolve, especially given that they share our body plan, have eyes, ears, noses, their own version of chimpanzees (see the archived CDN stories), and so on.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[didymos1120]

grimkillah wrote...
Given that the most evolved specie on Thessia is asexual, there must be an evolutionary advantage to be so, maybe higher than normal UV radiation, so one can assume that most if not all the life form on Thessia is asexual.

Where did you get that from?


ETA: Also, higher UV would lead to more mutations, and sex would actually be more advantageous because it would mitigate the impact of those mutations via recombination.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 avril 2011 - 03:39 .

[Centauri2002]

didymos1120 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

We can only base science on what we know. And all we know is what exists on this planet. Other planets could have different evolutionary paths entirely.

I didn't say it was impossible that Thessia has no multiple sex species. I was pointing out that assuming it does merely because our planet does, doesn't prove anything.

They have genetics.  They use DNA, even though the bases and some amino acides might be different. The basic evolutionary mechanisms are not going to be different: selection, drift, all that good stuff.  Their biosphere is clearly quite Earth-like.  Seems very reasonable to expect multiple sexes to evolve, especially given that they share our body plan, have eyes, ears, noses, their own version of chimpanzees (see the archived CDN stories), and so on.

To some it might seem reasonable, to others not. It's all conjecture really. Besides, I find it rather odd that they are so close to humans in the first place. Then again, we're probably overthinking it since their evolutionary path was not charted out when they were designed. They're just the alien babes of Mass Effect. There's no reasoning with that. >.>

[emmanuelsieyes]

Guys,

Sex is a function of the actual biological properties of the organism. Male humans have XY chromosome, Female humans have XX.
Gender is a psychosocial construct. There are some biological males who identify as female, and some biological females that identify as males.

Asari reproduce by parthogenesis. This is self-contained reproduction. Every single Asari is capable of reproduction by 'her' self. All the rest of ME species are reproducing by sexual means - they have distinct male and female. We consider the asari to be feminine because they can bear children - basically the defining trade of female as opposed to male.

Anyways, if this isn't clear enough, Bill O'Reilly is going to teach us about the Asari.