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[Ryzaki]

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

From what you just posted

I didn't work on ME1 but I would venture to say that most of the developers feel that Liara/Femshep is an F/F relationship.

Yeah, he ventured to say it and said it. And what he says is far more relevant to this than your opinion, because that guy works for Bioware and knows the developers, and you don't. Anyway:

And the developers have said they don't consider the Asari female. So your point about him thinking they do is...meaningful how? He thinks they do. They apparently don't. He was wrong. 

Chris L'Etoile said...

"Without getting into too much detail, asari are considered female because:

1) They produce the equivalent of egg cells - cells that contain genetic material which can develop into a new independant organism. How they use them is a bit weird from the human point of view.

2) They possess the equivalent of a womb - a place where "activated" egg cells develop within them.

3) From the human point of view, they have a host of secondary sexual characteristics associated with femaleness (mammary glands, distribution of fats, higher pitched voice, etc.)

It's open to debate whether or not a species can truly be "female" (or "male") when they are monogendered. For the purposes of classification by multi-gendered species, who are the majority in the galaxy, the asari clearly fill a female niche.

And they changed their mind on that. 

Casey Hudson said...

In Mass Effect, as a female Commander Shepard you could have a romance with the female-looking yet asexual asari, Liara. That love story will continue into Mass Effect 2 (and Mass Effect 3) if you had started it in the first game, though things will be a bit rocky between you this time around because you’ve been away for two years.  You’ll be able to conclude that story with Liara in Mass Effect 3, though keep in mind that your romances in Mass Effect 3 will have an impact on how that plays out.

They merely look like females. They're aren't female.

Edit: As for the codex. It says Sovereign was a Geth flagship. Excuse me if I don't take it with a grain of salt.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2011 - 09:59 .

[Ryzaki]

The codex that claims Sovereign is a geth flagship?

That codex is what I should take over the devs word?

[Almostfaceman]

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: As for the codex. It says Sovereign was a Geth flagship. Excuse me if I don't take it with a grain of salt.

Now exactly why would it say that?

Answer: The Codex represents the mainstream viewpoint of the Council (made up of Asari as well as other races, btw)

And then apply that answer to the Asari and there you see one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

[Ryzaki]

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The codex that claims Sovereign is a geth flagship?

That codex is what I should take over the devs word?

Let's look at what that guy Ryzaki thinks about it, he seems reasonable:

Rykazi wrote...

And while some will want to say "But the Codex says Soverign was a geth
flagship!" True the Codex was grossely incorrect in that manner. However
that was because the only one who spoke and interacted with Soverign in
any real capacity was Shepard and Co.

Rykazi was wrong.

And again the Asari don't consider themselves female and everyone else does which makes sense.

That however doesn't make the Asari female. Anymore than it made Sovereign a geth flagship.  

The devs said the Asari aren't female. I take the word of the actual creators over what's in game. Especially considering the creators can decide to retcon certain events in game.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2011 - 10:10 .

[Almostfaceman]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rykazi was wrong.

Yes, we know that, that's what we've been trying to tell you. 

[Furball34]

Codex says all-female race, and states they are not asexual.
If Bioware has officially decided that the Asari are indeed asexual and genderless, they should have altered the codex.
Not many players bother to watch those interviews.
Until such time that the ingame codex reflects this, it's just his opinion.

PS: why did you bring this up in the first place?

[Ryzaki]

Nyoka wrote...

By theway, this is what the Codex says about Sovereign:

How Saren acquired this incredible warship is unknown. The prevailing
opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it
is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin.

So the codex doesn't say that sovereign is a geth ship. It says that the prevailing opinion is that it's a geth ship.

Any more assertions you want me to debunk?

Nope.

Devs word > Codex.

That's all that needs to be said.

[Almostfaceman]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

By theway, this is what the Codex says about Sovereign:

How Saren acquired this incredible warship is unknown. The prevailing
opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it
is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin.

So the codex doesn't say that sovereign is a geth ship. It says that the prevailing opinion is that it's a geth ship.

Any more assertions you want me to debunk?

Nope.

Devs word > Codex.

That's all that needs to be said.

Explain Casey's herp and derp regarding what asexuality means then:

asexuality
1: lacking sex or functional sex organs <asexual plants>
2:a: involving or reproducing by reproductive processes (as cell division, spore formation, fission, or budding) that do not involve the union of individuals or gametes <asexual reproduction> <an asexual generation>
3: devoid of sexuality <an asexual relationship>

[Ryzaki]

Nyoka wrote...
Devs wrote the codex.

I quoted a guy who works in Bioware games, who knows the ME team (remember, you don't), and who ventured to say most developers think Asari are female. And I quoted the developer who wrote the codex explaining why they are considered female.

Obviously, the opinion of the guy who wrote the codex is more relevant than the opinion of the guy who implemented the cover system or the HUD or whatever other aspect of the game, since this is a lore question.

You quoted a guy who says a character who can have sex is asexual, which is nonsensical.

That they did. Bu they also put the characters preceptions in the codex. Which aren't necessarily correct.

You quoted a guy who *thought* that's what they would think. You quoted te developer who wrote the codex true.

And I quoted the guy who gave an interview who would've also worked with the rest of the devs.

Nonsensical or not that's what the Asari are.

[Maugrim]

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Devs word > Codex.

That's all that needs to be said.

Devs wrote the codex.

I quoted a guy who works in Bioware games, who knows the ME team (remember, you don't), and who ventured to say most developers think Asari are female. And I quoted the developer who wrote the codex explaining why they are considered female.

Obviously, the opinion of the guy who wrote the codex is more relevant than the opinion of the guy who implemented the cover system or the HUD or whatever other aspect of the game, since this is a lore question.

You quoted a guy who says a character who can have sex is asexual, which is nonsensical.

I believe Ryz quoted Casey Hudson (CHud) who is the Executive Producer and the final word on all three Mass Effect games.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[syllogi]

Casey Hudson also misspoke in that interview by interposing Liara's name with Tali's. Does that mean the names have been officially switched???

He made a mistake. He probably meant mono-gendered, but was not prepared to speak on the issue in-depth. Many people don't understand the distinctions between gender and sex anyway.

Is there some larger point to this thread? It seems silly to take that one quote and focus on it, when there is so much more evidence to the contrary.

[Almostfaceman]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Devs word > Codex.

That's all that needs to be said.

Devs wrote the codex.

I quoted a guy who works in Bioware games, who knows the ME team (remember, you don't), and who ventured to say most developers think Asari are female. And I quoted the developer who wrote the codex explaining why they are considered female.

Obviously, the opinion of the guy who wrote the codex is more relevant than the opinion of the guy who implemented the cover system or the HUD or whatever other aspect of the game, since this is a lore question.

You quoted a guy who says a character who can have sex is asexual, which is nonsensical.

I believe Ryz quoted Casey Hudson (CHud) who is the Executive Producer and the final word on all three Mass Effect games.

Casey Hudson cannot change the definition of the word asexual.

[Ryzaki]

Them being monogendered doesn't make them female. They're female looking.

[Furball34]

asexuality
1: lacking sex or functional sex organs <asexual plants>
2:a: involving or reproducing by reproductive processes (as cell division, spore formation, fission, or budding) that do not involve the union of individuals or gametes <asexual reproduction> <an asexual generation>
3: devoid of sexuality <an asexual relationship>
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^That^
The Asari Clearly have a sex drive, as is quite evident during the games.
If they were asexual, they wouldnt have had a want/need for it.
Titts, ass, and an organ for giving birth(which is strongly hinted at being the same as in a human female).
If I had to label the Asari I would say they are Bisexual if anything.

Im guessing Casey used the term asexual wrong.

[Maugrim]

Nyoka wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I believe Ryz quoted Casey Hudson (CHud) who is the Execuative Producer and  final word on all three Mass Effect games.

He might as well be the president of the United states. Asexual still means no sex. Asari can have sex. Therefore, Asari are not asexual.

Here's another quote from final word guy:

"There were no female / female romances in ME1. Same with ME2. Most
people count Tali but her species is female-looking but asexual."

Since Mr. final word must always be right, the only possible conclusion is that quarians are asexual.

No wait, actually he was wrong when he said that. He was wrong about the Asari, too.

Nope the Tali/Liara mixup was retracted and only made once.  Ray, Greg (Founders of Bioware) and Casey Hudson have all stated on seperate occasions that there have been no s/s relationships in Mass Effect.  Sorry

[Maugrim]

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And I quoted the guy who gave an interview who would've also worked with the rest of the devs.

Nonsensical or not that's what the Asari are.

That guy makes no sense. Asexual characters can't have sex. Asari can have sex. Therefore, Asari are not asexual and the guy you quoted is wrong, regardless of who he is.

Thats not's the meaning of asexual.

a·sex·u·aladjective /āˈsekSHo͞oəl/
1. Without sex or sexuality, in particular
2. (of reproduction) Not involving the fusion of gametes
3. Without sex or sexual organs- asexual parasites4. Without sexual feelings or associations- she rested her hand on the back of his head, in a maternal, wholly asexual, gesture

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Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you. They're not female.

He worked with the people who created them. I frankly think plenty of the things about the Asari make no sense but they still do them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2011 - 10:37 .

[Maugrim]

Nyoka wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you.

It doesn't make sense, period. Not "to me". It doesn't make sense to you, either, not does to anyone else, including Casey Hudson.

Sorry, he was wrong when he said that.

A world builder is the final word on their fictional work.   It's often referred to as the Word of God.   Sense, reality, consistency etc. are irrelevant!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 avril 2011 - 10:43 .