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[grievous04]

Ok, so some people are wondering why TIM and all of Cerberus is after Shepard, even after helping them and possibly giving them the Collector Base.

Well, based on the information given by the GI article, the Normandy is getting updated. The Alliance has impounded and procured it for their own uses, since Shep is still an Alliance soldier after all. The SR2 is a Cerberus ship with a highly powerful AI on board. That AI, EDI, has all of Cerberus' files in her database. Do you really think TIM will sit idly by while the Alliance pokes around in his secreteorganization's files? I do not think so.

Even though EDI has locked data, its possible the Alliance could take her AI core and hack all the info out of it. That, in my opinion, is reason enough for TIM to want Shep's head, as well as the Normandy either destroyed or in his possession.

[ExtremeOne]

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

[Denize]

1.) TIM wants to kill Shep because TIM is indoctrinated (because of Reaper implants from Arca Monolith - ME: Evolution).
or
2.) TIM wants to kill Shep, because Shep is indoctrinated (because of Collector implants from Lazarus project - Saren 2.0)

[Nixter Shepard]

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

they did it just to ****** YOU off.

[Jzadek72]

Denize wrote...
2.) TIM wants to kill Shep, because Shep is indoctrinated (because of Collector implants from Lazarus project - Saren 2.0)

Do want. Mind screw ftw!

[Babli]

Sooo...Reapers are attacking Earth but TIM is wasting time with trying to kill someone who wants to defeat the Reapers?

That makes sense...not.

He is indoctrinated, he sees Reapers offerings as the best thing for human race. True evolution. Submission preferable to extinction.
In short, he is just another bad guy now.

imo.

Modifié par Babli, 16 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[Sajuro]

TIM wants to kill Shepard because he learned that the Reapers want Shepard alive (which is why they didn't just murder Shepard while he was unconscious for those two days in Arrival)

[CroGamer002]

Denize wrote...

1.) TIM wants to kill Shep because TIM is indoctrinated (because of Reaper implants from Arca Monolith - ME: Evolution).
or
2.) TIM wants to kill Shep, because Shep is indoctrinated (because of Collector implants from Lazarus project - Saren 2.0)

1.) Evolution doesn't exist.

2.) That's retarded.

[JayTheWolf]

I assume maybe it's because he wants to protect or destroy his investment? He spent a lot of money on Shepard so Shep could help take down the Reapers for humanity. Hard to tell. Can't wait to find out in the game, though!

[JeffZero]

Mesina2 wrote...

Denize wrote...

1.) TIM wants to kill Shep because TIM is indoctrinated (because of Reaper implants from Arca Monolith - ME: Evolution).
or
2.) TIM wants to kill Shep, because Shep is indoctrinated (because of Collector implants from Lazarus project - Saren 2.0)

1.) Evolution doesn't exist.

2.) That's retarded.

Look, all I've read from the comics is Redemption and I wouldn't exactly classify myself of a fan of that one, but would you say it doesn't exist as well? LotSB made good use of the source material there, if you will, despite Redemption being pretty shoddy indeed.

I think it's highly likely that some things in ME3 will be linked to Evolution. I also think it's highly unlikely the narrative will be as weak in ME3 as Evolution sounds to be. I know it's the same lead writer but Redemption and Lair just don't feel samey at all. And yet they both ride off of the same wave.

[Aztag09]

I'm assuming it has to do with the fact that TIM lost a lot of resources and valuable men from Shepard's time working with Cerberus.

Another idea could be that TIM wants Shepard over to the Reapers as a bargaining tool to try and stall the Reaper invasion or to divert the destruction of humanity to the other species in the galaxy, leaving humanity to be most powerful force in the galaxy (besides the Reapers).

[Dave of Canada]

I do like the theory that TIM finds out why the Reapers want Shepard and is trying to kill him/her to prevent them from getting it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

TIM may want to recover the Normandy, but I do not think he would kill Shepard. He continued to see Captain Anderson as a potential ally as he knows about he Reapers despite everything he's done. It's OOC for him to want to kill Shepard for petty revenge. And he can retrieve the Normandy or disable EDI without havign to kill Shepard.

So either the reasons he has are extra-ordinary, perhaps like what Denize and Dave are saying, that Shepard is somehow vital to the Reaper plan. Or maybe thinking that killing Shepard would apease the Batarians who are preparing to go to war against humanity, which is not a good time to be doing so. Or he is indoctrinated. Hopefully something like the former.

Or better yet, that the rumors misinterpreted and that there is more going on.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 avril 2011 - 10:11 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TIM may want to recover the Normandy, but I do not think he would kill Shepard. He continued to see Captain Anderson as a potential ally as he knows about he Reapers despite everything he's done.

This is going to change in the next novel, as according to the summary up on Amazon, Anderson and Kahlee discover something in their hunt for Reaper info that jeopardizes Cerberus, and Cerberus will do anything to protect itself.

There's a chance that this might tie into TIM's reason for turning on Shepard, actually.

[100k]

1) TIM wants to kill Shepard because he wants to retrieve Shepard's body after discovering a way to extract the Cipher, allowing him to utilize Reaper and Prothean technology to not only win the Cycle War, but to ensure Cerberus dominance over other races.

2) TIM is indoctrinated after discovering a Reaper Relic in the Collector Base (definitely not far fetched). Needs Shepard's body to power his own anti Reaper weapon.

[Guanxii]

Maybe Cerberus want to take Shepard alive...? Perhaps their intentions aren't sinister just extreme... like wanting to implant him with something that may tip the balance in our favor? Perhaps something to do with "evolution-acceleration" alluded to in Mass Effect: Evolution.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TIM may want to recover the Normandy, but I do not think he would kill Shepard. He continued to see Captain Anderson as a potential ally as he knows about he Reapers despite everything he's done.

This is going to change in the next novel, as according to the summary up on Amazon, Anderson and Kahlee discover something in their hunt for Reaper info that jeopardizes Cerberus, and Cerberus will do anything to protect itself.

There's a chance that this might tie into TIM's reason for turning on Shepard, actually.

In self-defense yea. Maybe Shepard does something to jeopardize Cerberus? We'll have to wait and see.

[Darth Death]

Honestly, I can't think of a good reason why TIM would want Shepherd dead. Maybe he fears Shepherd more than the reapers or he's overconfident in his resources will be enough to destroy the invading starships. In either case, killing Shepherd seems to do a whole lot of bad than good.

[Evercrow]

protecting secrets of organization is a viable version. Shepard probably messing with TIM's plans or trying to spread mentioned secrets as always.
Indoctrination variant is solid, though a little boring.
The "Reaper's plan for Shepard" version is certainly intriguing and might connect to the end-game events(of ME3)

[ExtremeOne]

Nixter Shepard wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

they did it just to ****** YOU off.

 




oh thats fine I will treat the Allaince like utter garbage in ME 3 Bioware took a big dump on us Cerberus fans in 3 and payback will be hell for their precious Alliance in ME 3

[Seboist]

Cerberus intelligence files being compromised is the least of TIM's worries during a REAPER INVASION.

Everything should take a backseat in a war against machines who have been exterminating species for MILLIONS of years.

[Guanxii]

Perhaps Cerberus only "want your tail" in the immortal words of Jacob Taylor if you nuked the base? Maybe this is the impact of that decision. I.e. the opening sequence(s) of ME3 differ depending on your decision(s) at the end of both games.

For example, if you saved the Collector Base you are initially affiliated with Cerberus regardless of your council decision, however if you destroyed it you are stuck with the Alliance/Council in the state that you left it.

[ExtremeOne]

Guanxii wrote...

Perhaps Cerberus only "want your tail" in the immortal words of Jacob Taylor if you nuked the base? Maybe this is the impact of that decision. I.e. the opening sequence(s) of ME3 differ depending on your decision(s) at the end of both games.

For example, if you saved the Collector Base you are initially affiliated with Cerberus regardless of your council decision, however if you destroyed it you are stuck with the Alliance/Council in the state that you left it.

 





I hope you are right 

[konijntje peter]

I think that during the trials on earth, when Shepard is being questioned, the alliance also wants to know about every cerberus operation and the missions that shepard has carried out for cerberus. Plus al the intellegence gathered during these missions. The structure of Cerberus will then be exposed including al the intelligence EDI has given to Shepard. As far as TIM is concerned EDI has gone rogue and is deemed expendable. Shepard was an investment that is now obsolete and unusable. The logical thing to do before Shepard even unifies the galaxy (wich would make the humanity first thing a little bit harder) is to get rid of him, or force him to do things the cerberus way.

That or he just wants to controll the reapers instead of destroying them...

[Jzadek72]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Nixter Shepard wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

they did it just to ****** YOU off.

 




oh thats fine I will treat the Allaince like utter garbage in ME 3 Bioware took a big dump on us Cerberus fans in 3 and payback will be hell for their precious Alliance in ME 3

If their alliance is so precious, then you won't be able to pay them back.